The argument that Drake "makes good music/is a really good artist" holds ZERO weight & is dead

[TenChambers]

QM didn't deny it was a reference track - so i'm going to assume it's a reference track. He's not a ghostwriter because he's credited. Young Jeezy is credited as a writer on Kanye's Say You Will & Robocop but i'm going to assume he didn't drop a reference track for the song.

If Drake took that reference track. Changed a couple of the lines. And added a new verse that is still collaboration but just not the type of collaboration that we would expect. QM has the artistic lead if he's writing the reference track.
When you think of collaboration in the writing process, I would expect something closer to:


'Ye has the concept. Throws out some lines for Jay to use but Jay still has artistic lead over the process. He still essentially writes the song.

I'll still enjoy the music but i'll look at it like a Beyonce album rather than a Prince or even a Miguel album.

To each his own. I personally think it's been blown out of proportion just it's because it's Drake. We still don't know the process of how that came to be. Everyone jumped to the conclusion that he took QM's already finished track which I think is a bit of a stretch. To me, just hearing him say "let me try something" in the beginning and having the Calabasas line (considering dude is from Atlanta and Drake's spot is in Calabasas) in the 1st verse makes me think Drake wrote some of the 1st verse too and they were doing just what they said, collaborating. Maybe they were tossing around different flows and the one QM came up with is the one that stuck. The thought that Drake doesn't and hasn't wrote any of his own shyt is just kind of ridiculous to me.


I would throw him in the Kanye lane though. Beyonce and Miguel comparison is harsh.

 

[satam55]

Some bars?

QM is doing entire reference tracks for Drake. Writing songs for dude. The hook. The entire first verse. The flow. Everything. That's beyond bouncing ideas, beyond helping craft a song, beyond helping out on a few lines. If 10 Bands was a beat QM would be the main producer and Drake a co-producer at best.

I don't even expect this type of ish from Kanye.

Breh I fear the excuses if them other tracks ever leak

The Coli will probably crash.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

didnt he write Rita Ora's r.i.p song anyway i agree with you made decent points.

 

[Harry B]

Some bars?

QM is doing entire reference tracks for Drake. Writing songs for dude. The hook. The entire first verse. The flow. Everything. That's beyond bouncing ideas, beyond helping craft a song, beyond helping out on a few lines. If 10 Bands was a beat QM would be the main producer and Drake a co-producer at best.

I don't even expect this type of ish from Kanye.

How do you even know that he did the hook? Essentially what everyone is doing is guessing.
Drake might've dropped the hook and QM went back in the studio and did his version, secondly this is Drake's song by Drake's producer.
The only thing I can give him is the hook and some bars and that's just a wild guess.

And it was some bars (50% of the first verse), he's obviously jacking Drake's started from the bottom flow, shyt even had Started from the bottom lines.


Personally I hope he gets rid of this guy, except the second half of No Telling the 4 (out of 19) songs he was involved in are wack as fukk.


My point still stands no one will give a fukk about Drake collaborating with a dude on 4 tracks of a 19 track mixtape and not trying to hide it.

 

[RAX 010]

He make songs about hoes and I get hoes so I relate to the music

This
:scustkilla:

 

[satam55]

QM didn't deny it was a reference track - so i'm going to assume it's a reference track. He's not a ghostwriter because he's credited. Young Jeezy is credited as a writer on Kanye's Say You Will & Robocop but i'm going to assume he didn't drop a reference track for the song.

If Drake took that reference track. Changed a couple of the lines. And added a new verse that is still collaboration but just not the type of collaboration that we would expect. QM has the artistic lead if he's writing the reference track.
When you think of collaboration in the writing process, I would expect something closer to:


'Ye has the concept. Throws out some lines for Jay to use but Jay still has artistic lead over the process. He still essentially writes the song.

This. I didn't bother to read or watch anything about Quinten Miller responding that he's not a Ghostwriter for Drake. He's not a Ghostwriter for Drake because he's actually credited as a writer for Drake.

 

[The_Sheff]

Nobody gives a shyt. I would rather hear Drake rap/sing a good song someone else wrote than hear RHQ, Young Thug, or Rae Sremmurd (sp) rap some garbage they wrote themselves.

 

[RAX 010]

This Drake and Meek cunnundrum is tearing the coli apart...

Things will never be the same...
If your reading this its too late...

 

[pifftannen]

Coli rap militants stay goin 0-100 nikka, real quick.

'Oh, there's a reference track? That means Drake has a team of ghostwriters, never wrote a bar in his life and if we don't check him (as the gatekeepers of 'real hip hop' that we are,) soon Justin bieber will be writing drakes raps!' To the coli-mobile!

Ol 'I've been betrayed, I don't know what's real anymore' ass nikkas

Jump to the dumbest possible conclusion off a reference track the writer was credited for brehs

 

[RTF]

To each his own. I personally think it's been blown out of proportion just it's because it's Drake. We still don't know the process of how that came to be. Everyone jumped to the conclusion that he took QM's already finished track which I think is a bit of a stretch. To me, just hearing him say "let me try something" in the beginning and having the Calabasas line (considering dude is from Atlanta and Drake's spot is in Calabasas) in the 1st verse makes me think Drake wrote some of the 1st verse too and they were doing just what they said, collaborating. Maybe they were tossing around different flows and the one QM came up with is the one that stuck. The thought that Drake doesn't and hasn't wrote any of his own shyt is just kind of ridiculous to me.


I would throw him in the Kanye lane though. Beyonce and Miguel comparison is harsh.

I think he's been giving a pass because it's Drake. If it was Tyga or even Meek people would've given him the :camby

We don't know the process but nobody has denied it's a reference track. Nobody. So i'm going to assume that's the case. Lil Kim could've written parts of this but i'm going to assume Biggie wrote all of it:


I don't get your approach to the Casablancas line. If QM was writing for Drake - which he was - he would write it from Drake's perspective. ANd again, nobody's denying that it's a reference track. Not QM, not Drake. But you are? LOL.

"Collaborating" is such a loose and subjective term.

I don't think anyone has said he doesn't write any of his own stuff. Based on the reference track, we can assume he wrote the whole second verse. But based on the evidence - Drake has people write hooks and entire verses, then hops in the booth, record them - for Drake to use. That's above and beyond what i expect people to do for Kanye.

He can't be in the Kanye lane. He's not a producer. There's video evidence of Kanye in the studio making beats himself. There's video evidence of Kanye orchestrating a beat and telling Jeff Bhasker how to play the melody - that's a producer. There's evidence of Kanye helping other artists with lines and hooks.



Oh and Miguel writes his material solo.

Drake has moved into that Beyonce lane in my eyes. He doesn't produce. He has people pen entire verses and hooks for him. Perhaps even entire songs, I do not know.

Looking at the credits to his albums, he has co-writers on every single albums. Lines and hooks I can accept but entire verses, flows, hooks - on the same damn song? Nah son. That's Beyonce status. Still a respectable artist but more of an entertainer to me.

 

[RTF]

How do you even know that he did the hook? Essentially what everyone is doing is guessing.
Drake might've dropped the hook and QM went back in the studio and did his version, secondly this is Drake's song by Drake's producer.
The only thing I can give him is the hook and some bars and that's just a wild guess.

And it was some bars (50% of the first verse), he's obviously jacking Drake's started from the bottom flow, shyt even had Started from the bottom lines.


Personally I hope he gets rid of this guy, except the second half of No Telling the 4 (out of 19) songs he was involved in are wack as fukk.


My point still stands no one will give a fukk about Drake collaborating with a dude on 4 tracks of a 19 track mixtape and not trying to hide it.

Because nobody has denied it. It would be easy to say "Drake dropped the hook, started some flows, i went in and tried to flesh it out" but he didn't. He spoke about how much he was inspired by Drake, what a great dude he is and how they worked together on the track. He didn't deny that it was a reference track.

Of course it was Drake's song by Drake's producer - it was written for Drake. same way Puff's Victory verse was a beat by one of his producers for his album but whoever wrote the lyrics - wrote them!


Tbh I don't really want to debate with people who seem hellbent on riding for Drake. I'm a fan but i'm seeing this subjectively. For some songs Drake might not be the creative mind behind them. Not the beat. Not the lyrics. Not the flow. Unless he can show otherwise that's how i'm going to take it. I can't talk about him in the same sentence with people that do. Beyonce status.

 

[RTF]

This. I didn't bother to read or watch anything about Quinten Miller responding that he's not a Ghostwriter for Drake. He's not a Ghostwriter for Drake because he's actually credited as a writer for Drake.

The "Ghost" aspect doesn't matter. But it doesn't change the matter of who essentially wrote the song. If we take the reference track for what it is. QM wrote the majority of the song. That's the issue. QM might have wrote the majority of songs plural and guest verses. That's the problem. As I said earlier, if it was a beat QM would be the main producer, Drake co-producer. When you read the credits, that's not how it's positioned.

 

[TenChambers]

I think he's been giving a pass because it's Drake. If it was Tyga or even Meek people would've given him the :camby

We don't know the process but nobody has denied it's a reference track. Nobody. So i'm going to assume that's the case. Lil Kim could've written parts of this but i'm going to assume Biggie wrote all of it:


I don't get your approach to the Casablancas line. If QM was writing for Drake - which he was - he would write it from Drake's perspective. ANd again, nobody's denying that it's a reference track. Not QM, not Drake. But you are? LOL.

"Collaborating" is such a loose and subjective term.

I don't think anyone has said he doesn't write any of his own stuff. Based on the reference track, we can assume he wrote the whole second verse. But based on the evidence - Drake has people write hooks and entire verses, then hops in the booth, record them - for Drake to use. That's above and beyond what i expect people to do for Kanye.

He can't be in the Kanye lane. He's not a producer. There's video evidence of Kanye in the studio making beats himself. There's video evidence of Kanye orchestrating a beat and telling Jeff Bhasker how to play the melody - that's a producer. There's evidence of Kanye helping other artists with lines and hooks.



Oh and Miguel writes his material solo.

Drake has moved into that Beyonce lane in my eyes. He doesn't produce. He has people pen entire verses and hooks for him. Perhaps even entire songs, I do not know.

Looking at the credits to his albums, he has co-writers on every single albums. Lines and hooks I can accept but entire verses, flows, hooks - on the same damn song? Nah son. That's Beyonce status. Still a respectable artist but more of an entertainer to me.

Never denied the "reference" part of the track. I'm saying we don't know what the process included. You don't know and I don't know. I'm saying it could have been to perfect the flow they wanted on the track, I don't know. I wasn't in the room when they recorded the track. You can feel however you want about dude, I'm just saying the jumping to he doesn't and never has written anything for himself is kind of ridiculous to me. Producers are listed in the writer's sections of the album too...he's still the sole writer on shyt like Energy, Look What You've Done, 0-100, Too Much, etc and he seems pretty consistent with crediting someone when he has a co-writer. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't know why everyone is so mad when the majority of this forum already thought he was trash from jump? I guess I just don't see the "I hate this phony, he lied to us because he didn't fully write a club song" angle. I also don't buy the "he shouldn't call himself the greatest" angle either since no one cared when Kanye called himself the "greatest" even when he barely even made the beats he was "credited" on let alone writing his own shyt.

Just my thoughts on the situation and throwing some different perspectives out there.

 

[Harry B]

Because nobody has denied it. It would be easy to say "Drake dropped the hook, started some flows, i went in and tried to flesh it out" but he didn't. He spoke about how much he was inspired by Drake, what a great dude he is and how they worked together on the track. He didn't deny that it was a reference track.

Of course it was Drake's song by Drake's producer - it was written for Drake. same way Puff's Victory verse was a beat by one of his producers for his album but whoever wrote the lyrics - wrote them!


Tbh I don't really want to debate with people who seem hellbent on riding for Drake. I'm a fan but i'm seeing this subjectively. For some songs Drake might not be the creative mind behind them. Not the beat. Not the lyrics. Not the flow. Unless he can show otherwise that's how i'm going to take it. I can't talk about him in the same sentence with people that do. Beyonce status.

So 4 average songs (on a mixtape) out of like 100+ songs an additional 100 verses, means that he's Beyonce status

The difference between me and you is that I'm comfortable with saying "I don't know".
I'm not trying to guess, he hasn't denied or confirmed anything. He could lie, these rappers lie all the time and no one could sue him for lying either. Personally I'm still waiting for the Drake interview, and no I do not respect taking someones bars. But if it's less than a percent of all your verses I can forgive you and move on.

 

[Versa]

Good Music >>>>> Some stupid "realness" label.

btw i dislike drakes music but you can never count out the good music element.

So now writing your own shyt in hip hop is some stupid realness label

Y'all are tripping. I don't know if I can ever listen to Drake's music again unless he somehow explains that reference track. All the words I thought were coming from his mind and soul now may have been someone else's story and vision.

This is what happens when peoples love for an artist overshadows their love for the culture and genre. Dude literally has been exposed as a a fraud who has at least some of his shyt written and people are acting like it's not a big deal. That is so not hip hop.

It matters. This isn't Diddy or Dre where it's a producer and not someone claiming to be a top tier rapper. This is the biggest rapper in the world and one respected for his skill with the pen. One we all, despite making fun of his softness and overrated ability, assumed was true to the rules of hip hop. If the biggest rapper in the world gets a pass for not writing his own lyrics, this genre is in serious trouble.

I am disgusted by the pass fans and the media are giving the guy.