The argument that Drake "makes good music/is a really good artist" holds ZERO weight & is dead

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Again, these dudes were telling stories. We knew not everything in their raps were real. And if they were they'd have been in jail.

Drakes angle is different from that.

And as a regular dude who didn't grow up on the street, alot of what Drake rapped about was relateable to most of us and that's why he's hugely popular.
I agree. If it came out that cole(Ima big cole fan since the warm) I wouldn't be a big fan any more. I would lose respect for him and wouldn't rock wit him like that.

the most :mindblown: thing about this thing to me is people are saying "ITS BEEN 4 DAYS WHERE MEEK DISS AT" :damn: like 4 days is a long time :wtf:

then when you bring up that Drake took MONTHS to respond to Kendrick with that "fukk platinum, I looked at my wrist and it was already platinum" line they hit you with the

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The beef wasn't officially on wit drake and Kendrick. It was still subs and never moved passed that.

Meek expose drake to having writers and drake came out wit 2 tracks on some game/budden shyt in the span of 3days. While meek is still posting corny shyt on Twitter. And people making excuses about him being on tour is bullshyt. I perform for 1-2 hours and the other 24 hours of the day is free
 

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Does Steve Stoute have writing credits all over IWW? So Drake is just giving this guy Hush writing credits on his album because they are friends? There's nothing in Consequence's or Cyhi's careers and they both helped Kanye with rhymes. It can happen. But you can keep denying facts though. If a man has writing credits i'm going to assume he helped with the writing process.

Back to the Kanye comparison. He gives everyone credit too but people still help out with the rhymes.

He didn't "take the line". If you read the article, he wrote the song with Kenza. He says "we" wrote that line and there's possibly more.

What about Nickeleus F?

Producers are musical and often help out with lyrics. Emile is also a songwriter as well as a producer. If he's listed as a songwriter and not as a producer - he helped out with the lyrical content. For an example, Jeff Bhasker (frequent Kanye producer) has stated he has written hooks with Kanye and been involved in the overall songwriting process. So for example, he's listed as a writer for Monster but not a producer. Kanye gives credit to absolutely everyone in production, down to who played what sometimes, Bhasker was not involved in the production but was involved in the songwriting.

I'm really starting to question your musical knowledge breh. Omilio took those lyrics (interpolation because it's slightly different) from Rick James "Give it to Me". Rick James gets paid off that - Omilio didn't. The end. In any case Omiliio is the person actually on the hook anyway.

Why you talking about hooks anyway? - i'm talking song writing... hooks and lyrics.

Drake has had 1 ep, 1 retail mixtape, 3 studio albums - he doesn't need coaching. Clearly, what is happening is people write for him.

PUFF DADDY IS A PRODUCER. We know what he brings to the table. Vision. Musical direction. American Gangsta sounds like a 90's Badboy album. Dramatic live instrumentation mixed in with samples and ish. Brought to life by the new Hitmen. QM.
I'm saying that Hush is there cause he's Drake's man who tells Drake what's dope and what isn't dope and shyt like that.
Anyone who knows anything about OVO knows that Hush could never write shyt Drake writes, tehy know that he's not an engineer (even though he's listed as one), the know that O (Oliver El-Khatib) isn't a rapper, writer or anything and yet he has writing credits, Boi 1da Drakes other man who is really Hush's man is also on nearly every track and we know that he isn't delivering bars. These are his nikkas, his best friends and he records his whole album with them (the problem is people like QM, who are outsiders coming in for a sole purpose). If you are with your people in your best friends in the studio and you man tells you to re-arrange some drums would be doper and you give him a credit for that.. Would you think "but wait, there's like 500 nikkas on the internet that might think that I can't write now :sadcam: ".

Certain people give a fukk about such things and won't give credits to anyone, others don't.
Jay seems like a cat that used to give a fukk cause no one from the roc has not got a single credit (which is laughable), while Amber Rose has credit on Kanye's shyt. Jay has started now like ESOM, he had mad credits on that cause that was a done song that he got from 2 girls.


And yes producer help with lyrics, but as of lately producers do not work with artists, which is why other people help artists bounce ideas of.
But to have your mans help you is normal like Ghostface is on songs that he isn't on, on OB4CL does that mean that he wrote Rae's shyt? nah.


As far as Nickelus F goes, he said he helped with a or some hooks and one verse, I believe him. Help does not mean that he wrote the verse as he says, I don't really care about one verse that's 7 year old, however these 4/200 verses QM helped with that's my real problem. The other things are extremely explainable for anyone who needs an explanation (but obviously doesn't care).
 
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Another thing is, just bc Drakes name is on the credits doesn't mean he's writing most of the lyrics.

When u reach pop status, you can demand your name on writing credits so you get a cut of publishing.

I think in this digital era where there's little to no linear album notes he got away with having writers bc ppl weren't pay attention.

I'm not saying he doesn't write anything at all, but its just questionable right now given his background.
 

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What are we doing? This is hip-hop.

I used to agree man. Now I'm a part of the "Make good music and I'm happy" crowd. I can't be fighting this fight for the next 40 years of my life. Music has changed, I'm not going to be sour about it. There's nothing I think anybody can do at this point either. Sure there'll be moments of purity here and there, but not enough to make a counter movement to return everything back to it's glory.

What hip-hop used to be:

-No punch-ins. Rappers would flow their whole verse in one take. As a matter of fact, anybody remember the last time they heard the term "breath control?"
-Writtens were never passed on as freestyles unless you were going to be clowned.
-Biting was absolutely not tolerated. Paying "homage?" Nah, that was you being lazy and unoriginal.
-Who you said in you are in your lyrics would be checked. Better not be fake.
-No singing.

Those were boundaries the art used to have.

Art imitates life. Hip-hop is organic and it follows the same rules humans and life abide by.

Meaning small bad routines repeated eventually lead to bad habits.

Little by little those boundaries got stretched, then eventually broke when people started making excuses for them and started to redefine things. Just like somebody would when they're in denial. Even cats who love "pure" hip-hop got in on some of the enjoyment those bad habits have produced, if they're honest with themselves they can see they did. Is it any surprise that ghostwriting became so wildly accepted at this point?

Back to the art: What happens when you take just one puff of a cigarette a day, every day. That'll eventually lead into one cigarette a day, then you eventually become a smoker.

Habits form at a very small level first and are repeated. Even if you do solve your bad habits, you're never the same person either. Hip-hop is no different since it's organic.
 
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How you gonna tell us you started from the bottom breh.

In so much as a half-jewish Canada kid could start from the bottom, I believed it. :mjcry:
 

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I used to agree man. Now I'm a part of the "Make good music and I'm happy" crowd. I can't be fighting this fight for the next 40 years of my life. Music has changed, I'm not going to be sour about it. There's nothing I think anybody can do at this point either. Sure there'll be moments of purity here and there, but not enough to make a counter movement to return everything back to it's glory.

What hip-hop used to be:

-No punch-ins. Rappers would flow their whole verse in one take. As a matter of fact, anybody remember the last time they heard the term "breath control?"
-Writtens were never passed on as freestyles unless you were going to be clowned.
-Biting was absolutely not tolerated. Paying "homage?" Nah, that was you being lazy and unoriginal.
-Who you said in you are in your lyrics would be checked. Better not be fake.
-No singing.

Those were boundaries the art used to have.

Art imitates life. Hip-hop is organic and it follows the same rules humans and life abide by.

Meaning small bad routines repeated eventually lead to bad habits.

Little by little those boundaries got stretched, then eventually broke when people started making excuses for them and started to redefine things. Just like somebody would when they're in denial. Even cats who love "pure" hip-hop got in on some of the enjoyment those bad habits have produced, if they're honest with themselves they can see they did. Is it any surprise that ghostwriting became so wildly accepted at this point?

Back to the art: What happens when you take just one puff of a cigarette a day, every day. That'll eventually lead into one cigarette a day, then you eventually become a smoker.

Habits form at a very small level first and are repeated. Even if you do solve your bad habits, you're never the same person either. Hip-hop is no different since it's organic.

I'm not even one of these strict hip hop heads that goes by the rigid old school rules. I'm liberal as far as that goes.

"I can dig rappin.....but a rapper with a ghostwriter? WTF happened?"
 

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So you really think the only time drake ever had someone give him a song it was leaked. Weeknd and a gang of other people haven't admitted to "working" with him in the past? You guys are really this dense?
I didn't say that. I said we could have proof of one song someone gave to him (a verse and a hook) and you would still claim he never wrote anything, which sounds stupid but it's what everyone is doing. Are you really that dense?
 

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Last thing I'll say is, you CAN have a team of writers or ghostwriter etc, IF you have skins on the wall already.

If Jay has writers, if NaS does etc, these dudes are older now a d they did it themselves(as far as we know) for a long time. Its okay to have help in their case.

I noticed the last 2 R Kelly albums he's had multiple writers, but that's cool at this point bc dude is older now and his history speaks for itself.

But can you come in the game that way?
 

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How does him being a hip hop artist and using reference tracks discredit dude as a musical artist or his music? You might wanna change your thread title op
 

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Another thing is, just bc Drakes name is on the credits doesn't mean he's writing most of the lyrics.

When u reach pop status, you can demand your name on writing credits so you get a cut of publishing.

I think in this digital era where there's little to no linear album notes he got away with having writers bc ppl weren't pay attention.

I'm not saying he doesn't write anything at all, but its just questionable right now given his background.
Why do you keep saying shyt that isn't true

Drake doesn't have Ghostwriters

You have jumped to all type of conclusions because of 6 bars and a hook?

Not even acknowledging the second verse and outro on the song and he didn't even use these 6 bars word for word

Future has talked about how "STFTB" got created


You sound crazy
 

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Drake = the rap equivalent of booty injections

If you're into toothpick legs and diaper booties, do you, but don't try to pass it off as real or better than the real thing. It's a slippery slope, word to Bruce Jenner.
 

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Why do you keep saying shyt that isn't true

Drake doesn't have Ghostwriters

You have jumped to all type of conclusions because of 6 bars and a hook?

Not even acknowledging the second verse and outro on the song and he didn't even use these 6 bars word for word

Future has talked about how "STFTB" got created


You sound crazy

Drake is one of the biggest artists in music. Future would be dumb to not say anything else other than what he said.

Again, all I'm saying is right now his credibility is shot for me. So I'm questioning everything he's done unless the credits show his name alone next to the producers name.
 

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Drake is one of the biggest artists in music. Future would be dumb to not say anything else other than what he said.

Again, all I'm saying is right now his credibility is shot for me. So I'm questioning everything he's done unless the credits show his name alone next to the producers name.
Nobody in rap has credits with their name alone.

Once again his credibility is shot because you heard someone spit 6 bars and a hook that Drake used?

Future offered up this story 2 years ago and it wasn't in defense of Drake
 
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