The Best Comeback Album Ever is.....

The Best Comeback Album of Ever is.....


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In 2001 there was no telling that TI would be what he was when Trap Muzik dropped… Plus in that era you dont get multiple chances like that unless you beat the pavement on your own. He really did that.
Son ur wrong. TI wasn't that nikka until AFTER Trap Musik dropped. He didn't fall off. He wasn't even on. And I had his first album and used to spin Dope Boyz feat Foxy Brown when I was a DJ.
 

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So. Let's get this straight. In December of 99. He dropped Nastradamus and his singles carried on into 2000. Then. He was on a feature run at the time. The nikka was on Mariah songs, he was on Missy shyt, then he dropped QB Finest in which he that dope feature on Da Bridge 2001. Oochie Wally also dropped. Nas was quiet for not even a full year by the time Jay dissed him. And I'm saying speak for urself cause I deliberately remember arguments I would have about Nas being better than Jay PRE battle. Saying Nas was ICE cold is literal revisionist history kid. He wasn't poppin like Jay or nothing in the clubs n shyt like that. Plus there was a bunch of new kids on the block who was selling even more than Jay like Eminem and Nelly. But I was a DJ at the time my guy. This shyt was and still is being overstated. It's a narrative and it's not true. Fun fact. Stillmatic didn't sell much more than Nastradamus. They both went like 1.5 at the time.

Nastradamus was below his lyrical standard and the QB album was a compilation

Oochie Wallie Vic hit in the clubs but it was a bravehearts song...the version we all know today is the remix

Stillmatic might be triple plat today if the certs were updated...def dbl plat

Many fans and critics felt Nas fell off creatively and artistically, hence him returning to form, STILLmatic

Stillmatic cemented Nas as a top rapper again
 

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Nastradamus was below his lyrical standard and the QB album was a compilation

Oochie Wallie Vic hit in the clubs but it was a bravehearts song...the version we all know today is the remix

Stillmatic might be triple plat today if the certs were updated...def dbl plat

Many fans and critics felt Nas fell off creatively and artistically, hence him returning to form, STILLmatic

Stillmatic cemented Nas as a top rapper again
I said AT THE TIME. Regardless. If u was a Nas fan u would know the music that was floating around at the time. The I Am bootleg. The songs on QB Finest such as Find Ya Wealth, Self Conscience, Da Bridge 01 which had multiple dope verses. Nastradamus was dope lyrically with shyt like Last Words, Project Windows and Life We Chose. So honestly u just creating these narratives based on what Jay said and the fact Nas wasn’t as popular as Jay and certain other artists at the time. The game was changing in a weird way in 00-01. But u can’t say a nikka was ICE COLD when he just came off a 1.5 million album and hit singles not even a year earlier. It doesn’t fit the criteria. Sorry.
 

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Stillmatic , nobody was checking for nas after wakk ass nastradamus and the disappointing I am album(booth nas groupies will call it a classic)

Then oochie wallie :mjlol: . Stillmatic resurrected nas career
Shut yo dumb ass up because let’s get it straight. U clearly wasn’t outside during the I Am era. From the fact it was bootlegged so heavily and was the first album to get heavily bootlegged with MP3s at the time to the point people thought the industry was gonna crash cause of MP3. . To the fact that songs like Hate Me Now was the first song Flex ever dropped bombs on. They used to run that shyt with the lyrics all over MTV as well. It actually sold more and had a higher score in the Source than IWW at the time. U nikkas just get on here and just be loud and wrong. U clearly wasn’t raised during this era. Here’s proof in the pudding. If nikkas was so disappointed in I Am. Nastradamus wouldn’t have went Plat literally that SAME year. U damn sure wasn’t outside or in the streets during that time frame. U nikkas just get on here and lie. Only with Nas can a nikka come off dropping 2 multiplat albums in one year and nikkas say his career was over. Just stupid af. Stillmatic didn’t sell more than I Am. It sold right along the same amount as Nastradamus at the time.
 

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Shut yo dumb ass up because let’s get it straight. U clearly wasn’t outside during the I Am era. From the fact it was bootlegged so heavily and was the first album to get heavily bootlegged with MP3s at the time. To the fact that songs like Hate Me Now was the first song Flex ever dropped bombs on. They used to run that shyt with the lyrics all over MTV as well. It actually sold more and had a higher score in the Source than IWW at the time. U nikkas just get on here and just be loud and wrong. U clearly wasn’t raised during this era. Here’s proof in the pudding. If nikkas was so disappointed in I Am. Nastradamus wouldn’t have went Plat literally that SAME year. U damn sure wasn’t outside or in the streets during that time frame. U nikkas just get on here and lie. Only with Nas can a nikka come off dropping 2 multiplat albums in one year and nikkas say his career was over. Just stupid af. Stillmatic didn’t sell more than I Am. It sold right along the same amount as Nastradamus at the time.
I didn’t read nothing past the first sentence and I Know I’m older than you and this how I know .NOBODY was checking for nas then period

Shut the fukk up nikka , the streets said everything nas dropped since iww was wakk ,fukk whatever you’re talking about

Nas was dead before jay reignited shyt
 

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So. Let's get this straight. In December of 99. He dropped Nastradamus and his singles carried on into 2000. Then. He was on a feature run at the time. The nikka was on Mariah songs, he was on Missy shyt, then he dropped QB Finest in which he that dope feature on Da Bridge 2001. Oochie Wally also dropped. Nas was quiet for not even a full year by the time Jay dissed him. And I'm saying speak for urself cause I deliberately remember arguments I would have about Nas being better than Jay PRE battle. Saying Nas was ICE cold is literal revisionist history kid. He wasn't poppin like Jay or nothing in the clubs n shyt like that. Plus there was a bunch of new kids on the block who was selling even more than Jay like Eminem and Nelly. But I was a DJ at the time my guy. This shyt was and still is being overstated. It's a narrative and it's not true. Fun fact. Stillmatic didn't sell much more than Nastradamus. They both went like 1.5 at the time.

What's so controversial about admitting Nastradamus was a bad album that followed up a meh album, and Nas was viewed as cold due to that? This isn't just about sales - if you were on a major label and had a budget in 1999 you were going platinum. It's about critical, fan, and casual reception. Nas was fading, Jay was heating up.

So we either all have a collective psychosis of something that isn't true about the past, OR we're right lol. Stillmatic was a great album and a return to form after a bad and meh album. It clearly fits the comeback album mold. And like someone said earlier, if Nas doesn't fit then why would LL fit (if we're just basing it on sales).
 

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I said AT THE TIME. Regardless. If u was a Nas fan u would know the music that was floating around at the time. The I Am bootleg. The songs on QB Finest such as Find Ya Wealth, Self Conscience, Da Bridge 01 which had multiple dope verses. Nastradamus was dope lyrically with shyt like Last Words, Project Windows and Life We Chose. So honestly u just creating these narratives based on what Jay said and the fact Nas wasn’t as popular as Jay and certain other artists at the time. The game was changing in a weird way in 00-01. But u can’t say a nikka was ICE COLD when he just came off a 1.5 million album and hit singles not even a year earlier. It doesn’t fit the criteria. Sorry.

I can be objective and you obv can't be

It's not simply about record sales...The Firm went plat, doesn't mean it was great music

I Am was a good album, but it wasn't released as originally intended...I had the bootlegs back in feb/march 99 of I Am

Nastradamus was a poorly put together project and that project defined Nas until Stillmatic

Nastradamus is not touching Stillmatic with a 10 ft pole...it was uninspired, it was cobbled together, no cohesion, and even Nas flow wasn't fully right...it had some joints (it's Nas), but the album wasn't up to his standard

Nas started 99 on fire and Nastradamus extinguished the heat

In hindsight, Nastradamus wasn't a terrible album...it just wasn't up to the Nas standard

Nas was a top 5 rapper from 94 to mid 99...he was not from late 99 to Dec 01

Stillmatic brought him all the way back

Like I said, go back & look at mixtape placements in 96, 99, and then 00-01
 

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What's so controversial about admitting Nastradamus was a bad album that followed up a meh album, and Nas was viewed as cold due to that? This isn't just about sales - if you were on a major label and had a budget in 1999 you were going platinum. It's about critical, fan, and casual reception. Nas was fading, Jay was heating up.

So we either all have a collective psychosis of something that isn't true about the past, OR we're right lol. Stillmatic was a great album and a return to form after a bad and meh album. It clearly fits the comeback album mold. And like someone said earlier, if Nas doesn't fit then why would LL fit (if we're just basing it on sales).
It was a meh album in YOUR opinion. I know people who has I Am as their fav Nas album. U nikkas gotta stop thinking that ur opinions are end all be all. It’s a narrative. I Am despite the bootlegs. Despite having to change course and redo the whole shyt. It STILL sold more than most solo albums that year. Had a higher first week than Jay that year. To chalk that up as just budget is corny. Cause like I said. It’s not like Stillmatic sold much more than Nastradamus at the time. To dismiss Nas’ sales yet the other big artists at the time get bigged up for those sales is corny. Nas was one of the top 5 selling solo artists that year along with Juvenile, DMX, Jay Z, Eminem, and Dre. PLENTY of people liked I Am. Like I said. First album that featured a song that got bombs dropped on it by Flex. Critically did better than IWW. Commercially did better than IWW. I remember the streets then. And the schools. I got in trouble because I brought the CD to my high school at the time and everybody was passing it around looking at th booklet. I was a DJ at the time as well doing block parties n all kinda shyt. I Am >>>> Vol 3 quality wise. shyt even if u don’t wanna compare to Nas. Vol 2. >>>>>>>> Vol 3. Yet Jay never gets that level of criticism. Why is that? I lived thru this shyt. I was around. I was a DJ. I have core memories attached to it. I’m not finna deny reality for a narrative. Sorry.
 

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I can be objective and you obv can't be

It's not simply about record sales...The Firm went plat, doesn't mean it was great music

I Am was a good album, but it wasn't released as originally intended...I had the bootlegs back in feb/march 99 of I Am

Nastradamus was a poorly put together project and that project defined Nas until Stillmatic

Nastradamus is not touching Stillmatic with a 10 ft pole...it was uninspired, it was cobbled together, no cohesion, and even Nas flow wasn't fully right...it had some joints (it's Nas), but the album wasn't up to his standard

Nas started 99 on fire and Nastradamus extinguished the heat

In hindsight, Nastradamus wasn't a terrible album...it just wasn't up to the Nas standard

Nas was a top 5 rapper from 94 to mid 99...he was not from late 99 to Dec 01

Stillmatic brought him all the way back

Like I said, go back & look at mixtape placements in 96, 99, and then 00-01
I had the bootleg of I Am. And Nastradamus was rushed out and I’m not gonna pretend it was quality wise fukkin Stillmatic at all. Stillmatic is a classic. Nas def showed out and flexed on that. But to act like son was ice cold is the shyt I have a prob with. If it was that serious. Nas would’ve outsold the fukk out of Nastradamus at the time. Which he didn’t.
 

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I had the bootleg of I Am. And Nastradamus was rushed out and I’m not gonna pretend it was quality wise fukkin Stillmatic at all. Stillmatic is a classic. Nas def showed out and flexed on that. But to act like son was ice cold is the shyt I have a prob with. If it was that serious. Nas would’ve outsold the fukk out of Nastradamus at the time. Which he didn’t.

Read this article from April 01

 

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It was a meh album in YOUR opinion. I know people who has I Am as their fav Nas album. U nikkas gotta stop thinking that ur opinions are end all be all. It’s a narrative. I Am despite the bootlegs. Despite having to change course and redo the whole shyt. It STILL sold more than most solo albums that year. Had a higher first week than Jay that year. To chalk that up as just budget is corny. Cause like I said. It’s not like Stillmatic sold much more than Nastradamus at the time. To dismiss Nas’ sales yet the other big artists at the time get bigged up for those sales is corny. Nas was one of the top 5 selling solo artists that year along with Juvenile, DMX, Jay Z, Eminem, and Dre. PLENTY of people liked I Am. Like I said. First album that featured a song that got bombs dropped on it by Flex. Critically did better than IWW. Commercially did better than IWW. I remember the streets then. And the schools. I got in trouble because I brought the CD to my high school at the time and everybody was passing it around looking at th booklet. I was a DJ at the time as well doing block parties n all kinda shyt. I Am >>>> Vol 3 quality wise. shyt even if u don’t wanna compare to Nas. Vol 2. >>>>>>>> Vol 3. Yet Jay never gets that level of criticism. Why is that? I lived thru this shyt. I was around. I was a DJ. I have core memories attached to it. I’m not finna deny reality for a narrative. Sorry.

Nah man. There's a difference between opinion and popular sentiment. For instance I didn't think Kingdom Come was bad, but the overall rap world sentiment was that it was a bad/disappointing album. Mos' True Magic is one of my favorite rap albums of that era but in real time it got bad reviews and was dismissed by fans. Me being able to accept these things and not re-write popular sentiment with my own opinions is essential to fairly discussing shyt. You liking I Am and your friends liking it doesn't change the fact that the overall reception was ehh. It's basically a generic late 90s rap album: Timbo beat, clear trend following decisions, etc mixed in with some dope shyt. It's ok at best because it has high highs. But if you thought Nas was gonna drop a classic after hearing Nas Is Like you were disappointed. Heavily.

Even bringing up the bootleg proves my point because most people said the bootleg was good but the album was meh lol.

There was a clear sentiment that Nas fell off as a RAPPER. Music wise. After two albums that were significantly worse than his first two. This is not a controversial opinion at all. Stillmatic was seen as a return to form as a RAPPER. Music wise.
 

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I didn’t read nothing past the first sentence and I Know I’m older than you and this how I know .NOBODY was checking for nas then period

Shut the fukk up nikka , the streets said everything nas dropped since iww was wakk ,fukk whatever you’re talking about

Nas was dead before jay reignited shyt

This is true.

Stoute said that Columbia wanted to drop Nas after Nastradamus, and he was having trouble booking him at venues that used to always show love. The whole situation with Jay definitely brought his career back to life. Everybody knows that. It was rough after the wack version of I Am dropped. The OG was a masterpiece that got shelved as a retail. Before that, Nas was untouchable.
 
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