The Big 12 officially needs to DIE, here's why....

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if you want a system where every single FBS team is accounted for, in an 8 team playoff. Presto:

Using all current and pending FBS teams, I've created 5, 22 team conferences of teams based on location, history, and have created fairly balanced conferences. The number 22 is perfect because you create two 11 team divisions, which schedule just each other for 10 conference games; they then have two out of conference or division games to patch up rivalries if broken. Few are, however. In fact many are re established.

The conferences decide their champion on the field at a neutral location. You end up with 5 champions for 8 slots. You have 3 other teams selected by a similar system we have currently. I acknowledge this is a flaw but I will work on this. Seeding is placed by strength of team and you have a college football elite 8.

Here are the conferences, in order of state. The line is JUST a divider of what a division COULD LOOK LIKE. they are not sorted by power or stregnth; it is assumed within the conferences this would be done.

South East Conference:
Alabama Crimson Tide
Auburn Tigers
Troy Trojans
Arkansas Razorbacks
Florida !Florida Gators
Florida State Seminoles
Miami Hurricanes
South Florida Bulls
UCF Knights
Georgia Bulldogs
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
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Kentucky Wildcats
Louisville Cardinals
LSU Tigers
Tulane Green Wave
Mississippi State Bulldogs
Ole Miss Rebels
Clemson Tigers
South Carolina Gamecocks
Memphis Tigers
Tennessee Volunteers
Vanderbilt Commodores

South West Conference:
New Mexico Lobos
New Mexico State Aggies
Oklahoma Sooners
Oklahoma State Cowboys
Tulsa Golden Hurricane
Baylor Bears
Houston Cougars
North Texas Mean Green
Rice Owls
Colorado Buffaloes
Colorado State Rams
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SMU Mustangs
TCU Horned Frogs
Texas Longhorns
Texas A&M Aggies
Texas State Bobcats
Texas Tech Red Raiders
UTEP Miners
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
Missouri Tigers
Nebraska Cornhuskers

Western conference:
Arizona Wildcats
Arizona State Sun Devils
California Golden Bears
Fresno State Bulldogs
San Diego State Aztecs
San Jose State Spartans
Stanford Cardinal
UCLA Bruins
USC Trojans
Boise State Broncos
Idaho Vandals
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Hawaii Rainbow Warriors
Oregon Ducks
Oregon State Beavers
Washington Huskies
Washington State Cougars
Wyoming Cowboys
BYU Cougars
Utah Utes
Utah State Aggies
Nevada Wolf Pack
UNLV Rebels

Midwest Conference
Illinois Fighting Illini
Northern Illinois Huskies
Northwestern Wildcats
Ball State Cardinals
Indiana Hoosiers
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Purdue Boilermakers
Iowa Hawkeyes
Iowa State Cyclones
Central Michigan Chippewas
Eastern Michigan Eagles
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Michigan Wolverines
Michigan State Spartans
Minnesota Golden Gophers
Bowling Green Falcons
Cincinnati Bearcats
Kent State Golden Flashes
Miami RedHawks
Ohio Bobcats
Ohio State Buckeyes
Toledo Rockets
Wisconsin Badgers

Eastern Conference
Connecticut Huskies
Maryland Terrapins
Boston College Eagles
UMass Minutemen
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
Buffalo Bulls
Syracuse Orange
Duke Blue Devils
East Carolina Pirates
North Carolina Tar Heels
NC State Wolfpack
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Wake Forest Demon Deacons
Appalachian State Mountaineers
Charlotte 49ers
Penn State Nittany Lions
Pittsburgh Panthers
Temple Owls
Old Dominion Monarchs
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies
Marshall Thundering Herd
West Virginia Mountaineers

The following schools are left out; in theory, they COULD get one of the two at large bids. The teams are too far spread to be a conference...or are millitary academies. They are all now independant.
South Alabama Jaguars
UAB Blazers
Arkansas State Red Wolves
Air Force Falcons
FIU Panthers
Florida Atlantic Owls
Georgia State Panthers
Georgia Southern Eagles
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WKU Hilltoppers
Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
Louisiana–Monroe Warhawks
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
Navy Midshipmen
Western Michigan Broncos
Southern Miss Golden Eagles
Army Black Knights
Akron Zips
Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders
UTSA Roadrunners

Outside of an uneven number of teams [the bushes conference would be MUCH BIGGER, or the conferences would be shockingly unbalanced making the sport boring]...this is the best system I've ever seen and I made it.

A theoretical schedule for michigan would be

@Notre Dame [out of division]
vs. Georgia [out of conference]
Michigan State Spartans
@Minnesota Golden Gophers
Bowling Green Falcons
Cincinnati Bearcats
@Kent State Golden Flashes
Miami RedHawks
Ohio Bobcats
Toledo Rockets
@Wisconsin Badgers
Ohio State Buckeyes
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vs. Iowa [conference title]
vs. CAL [elite 8]
vs. LSU [final four]
vs. Texas [title game]

in retrospect, this wouldprobably create some trash seasons so cutting out lower tier teams and letting them go to FCS, and keeping it to 4 would probably be a better system
 

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Football is still a run and play defense sport, despite what it's trying to turn into.
Now as for the Big 12, the biggest recruiting ground for the conference is Texas right? Aren't most the HS teams down there spread teams now or do they still have a good amount of pro style teams? (Asking cause I have 0 idea) I wonder if they'd be scared to lose out on big HS talents who love the spread offenses that they've been playing in for 4 years, maybe even since middle school.
I honestly think Oklahoma should pattern themselves after Ohio St. Where you still got some size but run the spread. Just impose your will on another team and push them lil nikkas around.

Yeah.

Most HS teams in Texas run the spread from what I hear. So it seems many of those players would want to play in that system.
 

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watching that OU/Clemson game was so disappointing for me. :mjcry: Still hurts to think about. Let me have my peace. :francis:


Despite Clemson being the better team, it highlighted a bigger issue.

If you look at OU 10-12 years ago, we had big, huge LBs, 6'0+ physical DB's with size, etc. Our WRs were big guys. Our linemen were maulers. You look at us now, and it's not the same. What happened?

It's been building for years, but now all 10 outta 10 teams in the Big 12 have switched to some version of the air-raid offense. A decade or so ago, it used to be just Texas Tech that was pass, pass, pass... Every team back then good or bad, had a different identity. Now there's no balance anymore.

Long story short, you now have to build/recruit your teams a certain way to win consistently in the Big 12. You have to score in bunches to keep up with Baylor, TCU, WVU, OkSt, and Texas Tech b/c there's no way to shut them down EVERY WEEK. Sure, in a one off game you might be ok.....but for 9 conf games, somebody is gonna catch you slipping and crazy stuff will happen. Building a team to win the Big 12 doesn't prepare you well to win against top teams from other confs. You have to have a lttle smaller, quicker player to compete in the Big 12. You think a big safety like Roy Williams could play today? Not a chance. Our leading tackler, LB Dom Alexander, LOST 10 lbs before this season so he could play at 220lbs and be quicker for the Big 12 style. That's crazy.

Clemson's D-coord, Brent Venebles, was almost ran out of Norman b/c his last couple years were simply AWFUL. Everybody blamed him when in retrospect the real problem was these week to week gimmicky offenses. Granted he might have a little better talent at Clemson, but he also isn't handcuffed the way D-coordinators are in the B12.

Two years ago OU switched to a more traditional run-heavy ball control offense, and a 3-4 defense......that season we beat Alabama at the end....but we also got stomped by Baylor that year. And then the following year lost 4 conf games. So this season we switched up things again, we outscored everybody and played fantastic pass defense, but Texas beat us by essentially playing bully ball..Clemson too. Our team isn't really built for that, BUT you also can't win in the B12 consistently playing bully ball b/c you'll need to score more week to week. It also makes it a harder sell to 4-5 star recruits on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, Big 12 had it's time, but it needs to go away, be dissolved into others, whatever. :mjcry: I wouldnt mind seeing OU in the Big 10, Pac-12, or SEC West.


:mjlol: Basically your problem isn't The Big 12. Your real problem is that Bob Stoops hired an Air Raid OC in Lincoln Riley instead of hiring an OC that runs a Run based-spread system.

I remember when Lincoln Riley was hired last year, Big12 fans were happy. While OU fans were disappointed because they wanted a spread-option offense & were hoping to get Scott Frost from Oregon.




I've said this a few times after watching all these soft Air Raid Big 12 teams (& even A&M) get whooped this postseason, I'm now glad Sonny Cumbie from TCU turned down the UT OC job & UT/Coach Strong went with the Briles/Veer 'n' Shoot Offense which is more of a Spread-to-Run system. :whew:
 
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c'mon breh.

OU has been recruiting nationally for years. Roy Williams? He was from Cali. Josh Heupel was from South Dakota or something like that. DeMarco is from Vegas.

We're still heavily comprised of Texas kids. We recruit Oklahoma, Texas and westward fairly well. Most recently Florida/Lousiana

I really wanted us to win this year tho :to: We could've used a big victory to legitimize us to the southeastern part of the country.

Fwiw Heupel was a transfer right?

After seeing your reply I looked at y'all rankings in 247 and I'll take the L because I didn't see anything to support what I said about OU's recruiting. While I didn't see a trend of less Texans I think it's interesting how inconsistent the number of Texans that you guys sign is from year to year. Since 2000 OU has had as few as a handful of Texans in a class and as many as 17-18 in a class. I also didn't notice a correlation between those numbers and class sizes. It looks normal for y'all to sign 7 Texans, followed by 13 Texans, followed by 6.

What exactly is Oklahoma's recruiting philosophy? I'd guess it goes:

1. Lock down any top notch Oklahoma kid.
2. Grab as many top notch Texans as possible.
3. Round out the class with however many top national kids as it takes.
4. I'd need be double dip in Texas to fill a final spot or two.
 

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Who has done it though?
TCU, Baylor, Ohio State, Clemson, Auburn, & Oregon have run variations of it. Not necessarily all out air raid. TCU looked like the best in the nation last year with that offense too.
 
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I honestly don't understand the richrod theory behind the spread and offshoot systems that you need or even can survive a college football season with small lineman. What school EVER IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL has won a national title like that? You can maybe compete for your conference with a favorable home schedule but that's IT. OREGON is the ceiling for that system and when they faced teams as athletic but with bigger lineman, they got fukkin destroyed.

It is a recipe for disaster...and goes against some core tenants of college football. Quite foolish.

The big 12 can score 50 points but if you give up 51 who cares.

Worse, if you're playing OOC and they have good tackles and even more so control the clock with run game, you're getting killed.

Its gonna take a wave of coaching changes to fix the XII.
 
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TCU, Baylor, Ohio State, Clemson, Auburn, & Oregon have run variations of it. Not necessarily all out air raid. TCU looked like the best in the nation last year with that offense too.
And one of those has won a national title and they did it with big ten sized lineman and a legit run game. The others got and get embarrassed in bowl games.

Edit: and TCU NEVER LOOKED like the best in the nation
 

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That type of football dont win National Championships though :manny:

I agree that the air raid doesn't but the big 12 isn't completely made up of air raid teams. Power spread offenses have won titles (Buckeyes, Auburn) but to be fair I don't think any big 12 schools run that either . Jury is still out on Briles' offense but I think you can do it running that system.
 
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I honestly don't understand the richrod theory behind the spread and offshoot systems that you need or even can survive a college football season with small lineman. What school EVER IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL has won a national title like that? You can maybe compete for your conference with a favorable home schedule but that's IT. OREGON is the ceiling for that system and when they faced teams as athletic but with bigger lineman, they got fukkin destroyed.

It is a recipe for disaster...and goes against some core tenants of college football. Quite foolish.

The big 12 can score 50 points but if you give up 51 who cares.

Worse, if you're playing OOC and they have good tackles and even more so control the clock with run game, you're getting killed.

Its gonna take a wave of coaching changes to fix the XII.

Yeah it's never gonna win a title as you said Oregon is it's ceiling and they get mauled on the line of scrimmage against the best teams


But it depends where you are. RichRod using it at Michigan where u can get top talent makes no sense but him using it at places like West Virginia and Arizona to win a few more games with inferior talent on places you can never win a title anyway makes sense

Most big 12 teams outside of Texas And Ou get mid major level talent so I can see why they do it. They know they probably can't win a title anyway so if they can use it and win 9 10 games a year like tcu and baylor for them it's worth it. They'd do backflips just to make the playoffs one year even though they'd get destroyed
 

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Yeah it's never gonna win a title as you said Oregon is it's ceiling and they get mauled on the line of scrimmage against the best teams


But it depends where you are. RichRod using it at Michigan where u can get top talent makes no sense but him using it at places like West Virginia and Arizona to win a few more games with inferior talent on places you can never win a title anyway makes sense
So we just gonna pretend Auburn, Texas, osu, and Florida didnt run spread :jbhmm:
 

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I honestly don't understand the richrod theory behind the spread and offshoot systems that you need or even can survive a college football season with small lineman. What school EVER IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL has won a national title like that? You can maybe compete for your conference with a favorable home schedule but that's IT. OREGON is the ceiling for that system and when they faced teams as athletic but with bigger lineman, they got fukkin destroyed.

It is a recipe for disaster...and goes against some core tenants of college football. Quite foolish.

The big 12 can score 50 points but if you give up 51 who cares.

Worse, if you're playing OOC and they have good tackles and even more so control the clock with run game, you're getting killed.

Its gonna take a wave of coaching changes to fix the XII.
tOSU (2014), UF (2006 & 2008), Texas (2005), & Auburn (2010) have won national titles with Run based-spread offenses.

Oregon in 2010 & Auburn in 2013 almost won.


I don't think anybody has won a national title with a Spread-to-pass system like the Air Raid.
 
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I agree that the air raid doesn't but the big 12 isn't completely made up of air raid teams. Power spread offenses have won titles (Buckeyes, Auburn) but to be fair I don't think any big 12 schools run that either . Jury is still out on Briles' offense but I think you can do it running that system.

Yeah No big 12 school has the size on the lines osu did

They couldn't physically beat teams up up front and with the run game like osu did in the playoffs. Their usually the teams getting beat up
 

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TCU, Baylor, Ohio State, Clemson, Auburn, & Oregon have run variations of it. Not necessarily all out air raid. TCU looked like the best in the nation last year with that offense too.

Yeah I was talking the air raid offense, all those teams you mentioned can run the ball too.
 

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And one of those has won a national title and they did it with big ten sized lineman and a legit run game. The others got and get embarrassed in bowl games.

Edit: and TCU NEVER LOOKED like the best in the nation

TCU beat Ole Miss last year in I think the Peach Bowl and beat Oregon w/o Boykin. You can win big with the spread but the perception of the people that hold the cards(the committee) view those type of offenses or teams that rely on their offense as inferior.

Why is a team that rely's on their defense viewed in higher regard than a team that rely's on it's offense?
 
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