The Big 12 officially needs to DIE, here's why....

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tOSU (2014), UF (2006 & 2008), Texas (2005), & Auburn (2010) have won national titles with Run based-spread offenses.

Oregon in 2010 & Auburn in 2013 almost won.


I don't think anybody has won a national title with a Spread-to-pass system like the Air Raid.

All of those teams had grown up lineman in size in the trenches, thats my point. And LEGIT D to match. Its not JUST about the spread if you actually read my reply.

Dont ever try to score points on me

:martin: So you changing Goal Posts from making it about offensive system to now it's about players? NO shyt! Everyone agrees you have to have players, there's no argument about that. But you really tried to say you have to have a pro-style offense to win Big. :mjlol:



As long tOSU has Urban Meyer & Jim Harbaugh continues to runs a 1990's offense at Michigan, I expect Urban Meyer to dominate Harbaugh. Trust me Charlie Strong has learned the hard way & is switching it up. Les Miles just beat another weaker team in a Bowl game, so he never gonna learn until loses to Bama again next season & struggles on offense down the stretch again.
 
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:martin: So you changing Goal Posts from making it about offensive system to now it's about players? NO shyt! Everyone agrees you have to have players, there's no argument about that. But you really tried to say you have to have a pro-style offense to win Big. :mjlol:



As long tOSU has Urban Meyer & Jim Harbaugh continues to runs a 1990's offense at Michigan, I expect Urban Meyer to dominate Harbaugh. Trust me Charlie Strong has learned the hard way & is switching it up. Les Miles just beat another weaker team in a Bowl game, so he never gonna learn until loses to Bama again next season & struggles on offense down the stretch again.
You moron

The op IS ABOUT THE PLAYERS AND SIZE OF BIG XII PLAYERS

WTF
 

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Wake me up when TCU wins somthing.

When was the last time they even won the Big 12?

Yall keep falling for thier bullshyt flashy gimmicks though :snoop:

I'm reminded of 2010 when Oregon was putting up like 40 PPG on offense and when the National Title game came around, they couldn't score 20 against Auburn, a defense that honestly wasn't that good with the exception of Nick Fairley

Oregon despite running a spread option offense is a finesse rushing offense. Don't compare Oregon's offense to a Power Spread offense like Urban Meyer/Tom Herman/Dan Mullen's or Gus Mahlzan/Chad Morris' offenses.
 

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I'm reminded of 2010 when Oregon was putting up like 40 PPG on offense and when the National Title game came around, they couldn't score 20 against Auburn, a defense that honestly wasn't that good with the exception of Nick Fairley
didn't oregon score less tthan 20 against a so so cal defense also?
 

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Oregon despite running a spread option offense is a finesse rushing offense. Don't compare Oregon's offense to a Power Spread offense like Urban Meyer/Tom Herman/Dan Mullen's or Gus Mahlzan/Chad Morris' offenses.

Oregon was still a very fast team in 2010, having 2 minute scoring drives for instance. But I wasn't trying to compare a Power spread and a Finesse spread.
 

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watching that OU/Clemson game was so disappointing for me. :mjcry: Still hurts to think about. Let me have my peace. :francis:


Despite Clemson being the better team, it highlighted a bigger issue.

If you look at OU 10-12 years ago, we had big, huge LBs, 6'0+ physical DB's with size, etc. Our WRs were big guys. Our linemen were maulers. You look at us now, and it's not the same. What happened?

It's been building for years, but now all 10 outta 10 teams in the Big 12 have switched to some version of the air-raid offense. A decade or so ago, it used to be just Texas Tech that was pass, pass, pass... Every team back then good or bad, had a different identity. Now there's no balance anymore.

Long story short, you now have to build/recruit your teams a certain way to win consistently in the Big 12. You have to score in bunches to keep up with Baylor, TCU, WVU, OkSt, and Texas Tech b/c there's no way to shut them down EVERY WEEK. Sure, in a one off game you might be ok.....but for 9 conf games, somebody is gonna catch you slipping and crazy stuff will happen. Building a team to win the Big 12 doesn't prepare you well to win against top teams from other confs. You have to have a lttle smaller, quicker player to compete in the Big 12. You think a big safety like Roy Williams could play today? Not a chance. Our leading tackler, LB Dom Alexander, LOST 10 lbs before this season so he could play at 220lbs and be quicker for the Big 12 style. That's crazy.

Clemson's D-coord, Brent Venebles, was almost ran out of Norman b/c his last couple years were simply AWFUL. Everybody blamed him when in retrospect the real problem was these week to week gimmicky offenses. Granted he might have a little better talent at Clemson, but he also isn't handcuffed the way D-coordinators are in the B12.

Two years ago OU switched to a more traditional run-heavy ball control offense, and a 3-4 defense......that season we beat Alabama at the end....but we also got stomped by Baylor that year. And then the following year lost 4 conf games. So this season we switched up things again, we outscored everybody and played fantastic pass defense, but Texas beat us by essentially playing bully ball..Clemson too. Our team isn't really built for that, BUT you also can't win in the B12 consistently playing bully ball b/c you'll need to score more week to week. It also makes it a harder sell to 4-5 star recruits on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, Big 12 had it's time, but it needs to go away, be dissolved into others, whatever. :mjcry: I wouldnt mind seeing OU in the Big 10, Pac-12, or SEC West.

OU fukked up by not going to the SEC with Texas A&M.

Now, y'all will always be Texas bytch.
 

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OU fukked up by not going to the SEC with Texas A&M.

Now, y'all will always be Texas bytch.

y'all dont seem to understand that OU HAS TO to take OkSU wherever we go.

Whoever wants OU has to take them too.
 

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y'all dont seem to understand that OU HAS TO to take OkSU wherever we go.

Whoever wants OU has to take them too.

:skip: Tell OKST to hold their own nuts.

They got T. Boone Pickens money. So, they should be good now.

Iowa and Iowa St are not in the same conference. Texas and Texas A&M are no longer in the same conference.

Why can't OU and OKST not be in different conferences?
 
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Breh the way to beat these gimmicky offenses is to over power them, it happens every year they get slapped in the mouth. The only team that really had the talent to take it all the way was Oregon. All Oklahoma should be doing is beefing up the trenches. They do that and they good. Why in the world would you adjust to combat TCU and Baylor? You should be forcing them to adjust. You are supposed to be the conference elite.
 

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OU fukked up by not going to the SEC with Texas A&M.

Now, y'all will always be Texas bytch.

y'all dont seem to understand that OU HAS TO to take OkSU wherever we go.

Whoever wants OU has to take them too.

:skip: Tell OKST to hold their own nuts.

They got T. Boone Pickens money. So, they should be good now.

Iowa and Iowa St are not in the same conference. Texas and Texas A&M are no longer in the same conference.

Why can't OU and OKST not be in different conferences?

I think it has something to do with the state legislature to where you can't separate the two Oklahoma schools. I think it's dumb, but whatever.

It's the same way with with Texas. UT can't leave to another conference without taking at least Tech and/or UH. A&M was fukking lucky AF to leave without having to take any Texas schools with them. They made the move while the Texas senate was out of session (& I think UT might've made some assurances to keep The Big 12 together) that's how A&M was able to get away with it.
 

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OU would definitely be better if they were in the SEC. it would help their recruiting and force them to get away from that air raid shyt. The emergence of TCU and Baylor has hurt their recruiting in Texas, so a move to the SEC would give them a recruiting presence in the Southeast part of the country.
 
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