The big myth about why Black kids can’t get ahead

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Christina Cross: One of the things I focus on in my book is that there’s been such a singular emphasis on promoting marriage and the two-parent family for addressing racial inequality, and that this laser focus on this one intervention really limits our ability to close gaps between groups.
My research shows that even amongst Black and white children in two-parent families, inequality is very high. So the question we need to be asking ourselves is: Is this the best use of our time, attention, and resources?

AGENDA!!!!

You found that Black two-parent families have increased by 15 percent over the last decade, whereas Black single-mother families have declined by roughly the same amount. What do you think is driving that?

You know, it’s funny because as I was doing background research for my book, I was surprised to find this because the story has been for so long that Black two-parent families are so small and we talk about them as if they don’t even exist. So I was surprised to find that they’re increasing and actually for every Black child who lives in a single-mother family, there’s a Black child who’s growing up in a two-parent family, but so much of our focus has been on single-parent families. And so in uncovering this finding, I’m also curious to know what’s driving it. For my book, I was not pursuing that direction, but that’s actually one of the next things on my research agenda as well.

AGENDA!!!!

LOL. We see what you're doing.
 

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I know what the article says...
everything yall say is regurgitated stuff from the same schools and articles I went to and read.

I only care about the stats...
it all starts at home.

Do you believe black kids arent testing well because the curriculum is too easy for them?
or is it because they arent even trying?

Have you been to majority black schools?
the kids arent paying attention and not even trying because its not emphasized at home.


if you believe in white supremacy why would you depend on those same white folks to teach your kids everything? :heh:

It’s a poor people thing.
I’ve lived in poor white neighborhoods and those kids are dumb too.
The “resource” part is that they typically have a family member nearby that’s doing well and helping them in someway, like an uncle that owns a mechanic shop so now this white kid that can’t read well, already knows how to fix cars before high school.
 

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think it's interesting that we have the most literate and educated American Black population to date, and yet "we're so behind". Black Gen Z has higher rates of college enrollment and higher college graduation rates than Millennials at the same age. And African American Gen Z is on track to surpass previous generations in the number of individuals with bachelor's degrees or higher.

ehh.. Let's look at Howard

Most Popular Majors​

  • Biology
    186 Graduates
  • Political Science and Government
    148 Graduates
  • Psychology
    132 Graduates
  • Communications
    121 Graduates
  • Public Relations
    96 Graduates
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    77 Graduates
  • Marketing
    65 Graduates
  • Computer Science
    56 Graduates
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    54 Graduates
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    52 Graduates
Off rip, these are not the most lucrative fields.
- Bio might mean Pre Med
- Poli Sci might mean Pre Law

Out of all these, the only cats typically making $$ without additional degrees are the CS people. So out of 987 graduates, only 56 (5-6%) are in a remotely marketable field.

I'm betting that Asians and Indians have a slightly different mix of degree choices, and that results in higher incomes down the line.

And keep in mind CS/IT is going through it right now.

So we have lots of Black women getting educated in fields that don't pay well, and often times they gotta double down and get more schooling (and more debt) to get paid.

And obviously this pushes a lot of them to become mothers later in life...now they gotta juggle career and family.

And Professor is like, "More resources..."
 

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Think how much a potential NBA prospect goes to camps, tournaments around the country, etc. during Jr. High and High School.

In a lot of places, when there is promising Black athletic talent but the parent/parents can't afford all of that - money can be FOUND.

Vouchers, "Scholarships", living with families in different neighborhoods....

The scale that "this" society will invest in Black Athleticism vs Black Scholarship is quite telling...
 

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Without saying it, she'd prefer the focus (and money resources) go towards Single Family Homes (presumably lead by Black women).

I’m not trying to be funny, but I don’t think that’s what she’s saying/arguing. Someone as respected in the sociological sphere as Christina Cross is not going to argue that. What’s she asking is this: if two-parent black households are increasing, and single-motherhood is on the decline—and if those are supposed to be some the main drivers of inequality according to the extant literature (i.e., lack of nuclear families and lack of pooled incomes)—why aren’t the outcomes converging? What are other possible solutions as to why it’s not converging?
 

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I’m not trying to be funny, but I don’t think that’s what she’s saying/arguing. Someone as respected in the sociological sphere as Christina Cross is not going to argue that. What’s she asking is this: if two-parent black households are increasing, and single-motherhood is on the decline—and if those are supposed to be some the main drivers of inequality according to the extant literature (i.e., lack of nuclear families and lack of pooled incomes)—why aren’t the outcomes converging? What are other possible solutions as to why it’s not converging?

Lemme take off my T. Hasan Johnson Fan Club T-Shirt, and be more charitable with her assertions

I do think watching the video will give more "color"

But one of the central findings here is that the negative effect of single motherhood on child outcomes is weaker for African-American children that for white children. and the well-being of black youth from two parent families is substantially lower than that of their white peers.

Black Single Moms do better than White Single Moms
Black Children of 2 Parent families are worse off than White Children of 2 Parent families.

There are some conclusions to be drawn here.
  • Maybe Black Single Moms got it like that.
  • Maybe the addition of a white father (presumably) has a greater effect on the outcomes of white kids than adding a black father.
  • Maybe the addition of a Black father drags down child outcomes.
She goes on to talk about the "Black Extended family"

So we know that in general African-Americans tend to be more deeply embedded in their extended family networks. They're much more likely to live with extended kin or to live close to them and they engage in engage in significant amounts of support exchange. Um, and one of the theories suggested that African-Americans more deeply embeddedness in this extended family uh actually served as a protective factor.
It sort of buffered against some of the negative consequences of single motherhood.

Wait, hold up a sec? There's a tension here.

Maybe it's in the book.

More

(07:09) But if we focus so much on the nuclear family, we will miss that and we can make it actually much harder to support these families

Mhhmm.

Aight, let's keep it going.

Okay. So, then let's take it the other way, which is to say that black kids who live with two parents don't seem to reap the same benefit as white kids who live with two parents.

(08:02) Why is that? Well, to understand this, I think it's important to understand why living with in a two parent family is gen generally beneficial for children in the first place. And it's because parents have more monitoring and time to spend supervising children, but they also have more money on average.

I see you playa!
Make it plain for the dummies in the back

Host - Um, so in general, children and two parent families have access to more resources.

Ol Girl - Well, unfortunately, one of the things that I found in my data is that black children who grew up in two parent families have drastically fewer resources, in particular, economic resources,
than white children who grow up in the same type of family.

Black Female Social Science women love "flat blackness" but also they love to downplay "monitoring and supervising" (which leans towards 2 parent house hold) and emphasize "economic resources". (which leans towards fatter checks, EITC, UBI, etc)

Bring it on home sista gurl.
Ol Girl - Uh, their household incomes are about 60% of that of white two parent households and their family wealth is just a quarter, 25%.

Host - Why does that matter? Why does that matter? That the gap in wealth and assets, the money that exists because of, you know, your house or your investments and things like that. Why does that gap matter so much in your opinion?

Ol Girl
- Well, wealth matters so much for being able to give people a sense of economic security at any point, but especially during moments of downturn, right? You mentioned the recession earlier. Uh, having wealth can make all the difference in being able to keep your home or not.

Hmm...I hope cats is starting to see the picture

But let her "cook"

...it being able to afford to send your children to uh a quality school um and being able to provide children other advantages as they try to establish their own independent household. Uh there are many parents who offer their children help with down payments to own homes which of course allows for a greater and earlier accumulation of more wealth.

There it is (c) Public Enemy

GENERATIONAL WEALTH!!!!

...But what about the never mentioned by heavily implied effect of having the Black Father in the home

actually I found that for some outcomes, economic resources had less to do with what was going on, but things outside the home also come into play. So, one thing that I found is that black children and two parent families were two to four times more likely to be suspended or expelled from school than their white peers. And they had uh very high suspension rates compared to any group.

So if I read between the lines, having Dad at home results in MORE school suspensions and expulsions.

Black Fathers clearly foment unruly kids.

Of course she can't say that, but we're all adults here right?


Host - What are some of the things that would that would actually in your based on your findings actually make a difference for families?

Ol Girl -
So it is true that when black children grow up with both parents they tend to experience advantages um and they do tend to have improved outcomes.

Wait what? Don't make me page up.


Ol Girl - (13:37) Uh it is also true unfortunately that they still lag behind their white peers in the same family structure and my findings indicate that much of that has to do with these wide gaps in economic resources.

Oh, okay. So having the father in the house improves childhood outcomes, but 2 parent black families still lag 2 parent white families because of economic resources.

So what should we do about it?

And so if we really want to turn the tide, we need to be thinking about how to bolster family resources um instead of making cuts to key social safety net programs like Medicaid and SNAP.

(14:07) uh and children's health insurance program. We could be thinking about ways to help families to stay afloat during these challenging times um by increasing that amount of aid.

She continues for the next few minutes talking about inflation, these programs getting cut, them being underfunded...

But the main premise "Is the Benefit of a Two-Parent Family a Myth" - the juicy clickbait stuff she wants you to buy the book for....

I dunno.

Even being charitable, taking ol girl at her word, never going "well actually" or "did you consider" - she's just doing the Black Female Academic shuffle.

I don't think she characterizes her own work the way you have.

But I'm open to discussion.
 

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THAT QUOTE IS COMPARING
THEM TO WHITE KIDS IN
A WHITE CONTROLLED COUNTRY....

WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS
COMPARED TO BLACK KIDS
FROM SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS?

:devil:
:evil:
 

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ehh.. Let's look at Howard

Most Popular Majors​

  • Biology
    186 Graduates
  • Political Science and Government
    148 Graduates
  • Psychology
    132 Graduates
  • Communications
    121 Graduates
  • Public Relations
    96 Graduates
  • Physical Education Teaching and Coaching
    77 Graduates
  • Marketing
    65 Graduates
  • Computer Science
    56 Graduates
  • Finance
    54 Graduates
  • Criminal Justice and Safety Studies
    52 Graduates
Off rip, these are not the most lucrative fields.
- Bio might mean Pre Med
- Poli Sci might mean Pre Law

Out of all these, the only cats typically making $$ without additional degrees are the CS people. So out of 987 graduates, only 56 (5-6%) are in a remotely marketable field.

I'm betting that Asians and Indians have a slightly different mix of degree choices, and that results in higher incomes down the line.

And keep in mind CS/IT is going through it right now.

So we have lots of Black women getting educated in fields that don't pay well, and often times they gotta double down and get more schooling (and more debt) to get paid.

And obviously this pushes a lot of them to become mothers later in life...now they gotta juggle career and family.

And Professor is like, "More resources..."
None of this has anything to do with my post or the OPs point
 

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White Upper Class Parents (Matty Yglesias is like one of the top 3 people in the DC Democrat Scene read. Super influential)

I am actually quite sure my kid is above grade level in reading because Kate and I make sure he spends a good amount of time reading almost every day (and also because teachers at his school are good about sharing assessments multiple times per year). And while a lot of the books that he reads are either kid-centric books or easy-to-read Y.A. fantasy, some of them are books that we suggest to him as challenges. It is more difficult for him to read more challenging books (obviously), but he can, in fact, do it and he does, at least a little bit, every day.


Now for the folks talmbout the government needs to spend more money for "extended family units" and fathers don't make a difference - I just DO NOT AGREE.

When you have 2 parents, that are focused on education, guiding and monitoring the child - they read.

Lotta these Nguyens and Parks and Kurosawas - their parents don't even speak English, much less read it.

But Ryu and Chun Li will be reading and doing homework. (and later on cheating, and then feeling horrible about themselves, turning to empty materialism...but I digress)

Same pattern with the Caribbeans, Africans, Indians, Jews, some of the Arabs....

The focus, the attention, the diligence comes first, and then the money.
 
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