The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized

[Malta]

That's my point. He knows how to play without the ball. It took Bosh a while to get adjusted to that.

I think it's gonna be a beautiful fit with Love, plus his rebounding/passing is gonna help them get a lot of easy buckets. They won't be as sharp as Miami was defensively, but their offense should be REALLY balanced and efficient, especially if Blatt is the guru people say he is. That will improve their defense.

Being a guru won't help your defense improve if you don't have the personnel, Love is statistically the worst rim protector in the league. The Cavs will need a mobile defensive 5.....

 

[FTBS]

Way better? Lol it's 2014 not 2010 anymore neither player was consistently reliable.wade was a gimp this year and bosh was embarrassing against the pacers

By the end of the year it was like bron in Cleveland all over again

And outside of rebounding how have Kyrie and Love demonstrated they will be any better? Kyrie is injury prone his damn self. And Love is even worse at interior defense than Bosh and isn't a post up threat himself. Bron isn't getting any younger. You can't ask a 30+ guy to be Mr. Everything.

 

[G.O.A.T]

Lebron was gone regardless, Wade straight up said many nights he was willing to play and they got extra cautious to the point he wasn't in game shape. Nothing was wrong with his knees in the playoffs, he was just not in game shape.

Wade or Bosh could never play their game with Lebron there, and it got worse this year. That's just the facts of the shyt. Judging Wade and Bosh production for this coming year by how they played with Lebron taking more and more shots each year isn't going to be accurate.

Both putting up 20+ won't be a surprise

I have no doubt they'll average at least 20 each as long as they're healthy.

 

[Regular_P]

Being a guru won't help your defense improve if you don't have the personnel, Love is statistically the worst rim protector in the league. The Cavs will need a mobile defensive 5.....

If the other team is taking the ball out of bounds instead of off the boards most of the time, it helps.

I subscribe to the belief that Love and Irving have a lot to prove and they'll both put forth much better effort on defense. If Varejao can stay on the court, he should be solid for them on D at the 5. Big if though.

 

[HiphopRelated]

How is any of this gonna improve with Bron gone and that much more pressure and wear and tear on dude?

Wade played his game just fine in 2010 before the injuries took over and had plenty of flashes after the fact with Lebron. I didn't say anything about Bosh. Bosh is gonna be Bosh. The Heat aint' winning shyt without Wade and Deng doing their thing though.

This is the 1st offseason in 2 years he won't have any procedure in the Summer, there's no recovery.

He fell back because Lebron couldn't function off ball(apart from the post). Anytime Wade started taking over a game, Lebron became disinterested. All them back door cuts and shyt were things Wade could do and Lebron can't, but you're not dropping 25 on backdoor cuts and midrange jumpers off curls. Kyrie is a better 3 point shooter, but everything else off ball Wade has a sizeable advantage. I really want to see that dynamic, to see if Kyrie still looks like a flashy player or Mo Williams.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

This is a terrible argument to be honest, I keep seeing people say this over and over again, yeah he's a 26ppg scorer on the Wolves where he's the focal point of the offense (18.5 FGA per game). Everyone seems to forget Chris Bosh was a 24/11 guy right before he joined the Heat, Love will go from being the focal point of a team to 2nd option, and possibly even 3rd option since Kyrie will have the ball in his hands more than him.

The rebounding should be consistent but there's no way in hell he's going to sniff 26ppg with LeBron, Kyrie and Dion in the starting 5 with him. You have 4 very high usage players in the same starting 5, two of which couldn't even figure out how to play with one another last season.

To be real I kinda just want them to trade wiggins . He's gonna be marginalized to a role player for like 6 years in Cleveland and they are treating him like less than sh1t right now. Legit can't believe lebron hasn't reached out to talk to homie yet like wow. Loves gonna end up with at most 17-10 playing with lebron . And let's not even talk about his defense

 

[Malta]

If the other team is taking the ball out of bounds instead of off the boards most of the time, it helps.

I subscribe to the belief that Love and Irving have a lot to prove and they'll both put forth much better effort on defense. If Varejao can stay on the court, he should be solid for them on D at the 5. Big if though.

The rim protection is going to be pretty bad, Varejao is not a shot blocker even when healthy he doesn't really alter shots, he's a solid team defender and can play positional defense but he and Love meeting you at the rim is nothing to worry about.

Also, Varejao has averaged 26 games the last 3 seasons, he's the only center on their entire roster and it's pretty much a given that he will miss a chunk of the season. They're going to need a 5, if they can snag Mozgov or Dieng then I'd say they were the favorites to win the title next year.

 

[Regular_P]

The rim protection is going to be pretty bad, Varejao is not a shot blocker even when healthy he doesn't really alter shots, he's a solid team defender and can play positional defense but he and Love meeting you at the rim is nothing to worry about.

Also, Varejao has averaged 26 games the last 3 seasons, he's the only center on their entire roster and it's pretty much a given that he will miss a chunk of the season. They're going to need a 5, if they can snag Mozgov or Dieng then I'd say they were the favorites to win the title next year.

I agree and you could say the same thing about Irving for the offensive side of the ball with the games he'll probably miss. Nice to have Love there to pick up the slack when that happens.

If Irving stays healthy, he should have some trade value, even though his max deal kicks in next year. Suppose the team is too awful defensively to win a title, I'm sure someone would take a flyer on Irving. Would the Bucks turn down Irving if Cleveland wanted Larry Sanders and OJ Mayo?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

If I was the GM i would have been trying to trade kyrie for love (in some kind of 3way assuming minny's content with rubio at the point)...there's an inevitable mo williams-ization of any guard, especially point, that plays with bron...and kyrie is one of the worst spot shooters in the league...they're gonna run into the same issues that wade and bron did where you're not gonna be able to get optimal value out of both players offensively when both on the floor at the same time..it's not a natural fit..you're end up with a version of kyrie with greatly reduced offensive impact, all while not being anywhere near the defensive disruptor or overall player defensively as wade was...Bron and Love have games that mesh far more naturally, he'd be essentially a idealized version of what bosh was getting turned into (though, again, not the same defender)...get a bitter fitting and cheaper (though otherwise talented) replacement for irving at point...keep wiggins...and have 2 max or near max players instead of 3, giving you more flexibility to add depth

 

[tremonthustler1]

I agree and you could say the same thing about Irving for the offensive side of the ball with the games he'll probably miss. Nice to have Love there to pick up the slack when that happens.

If Irving stays healthy, he should have some trade value, even though his max deal kicks in next year. Suppose the team is too awful defensively to win a title, I'm sure someone would take a flyer on Irving. Would the Bucks turn down Irving if Cleveland wanted Larry Sanders and OJ Mayo?

The Bucks would, but that's a major L for Cleveland

 

[FTBS]

This is the 1st offseason in 2 years he won't have any procedure in the Summer, there's no recovery.

He fell back because Lebron couldn't function off ball(apart from the post). Anytime Wade started taking over a game, Lebron became disinterested. All them back door cuts and shyt were things Wade could do and Lebron can't, but you're not dropping 25 on backdoor cuts and midrange jumpers off curls. Kyrie is a better 3 point shooter, but everything else off ball Wade has a sizeable advantage. I really want to see that dynamic, to see if Kyrie still looks like a flashy player or Mo Williams.

They put up basically the same numbers in 2010 and came within a performance from Bron from winning a the title that year. This myth must stop. Wade's body made him fall back more so than having Lebron. It's like nobody else was watching in 2010. Dude has looked progressively worse each of the last 3 years. If he's able to bounce back this year then more power to him but it just doesn't seem likely.

 

[Regular_P]

The Bucks wouldn't, but that's a major L for Cleveland

But if defense and cap space is such an issue, that should help Cleveland is some capacity. Sanders is a perfect front-court compliment to Love and Mayo's deal expires after next season to give them an extra $8 million in cap space. He could be motivated again playing with LeBron.

I'm just trying to throw scenarios out there since a lot of people seem to think Love on the Cavs is a bad idea.

 

[Flight]

The rim protection is going to be pretty bad, Varejao is not a shot blocker even when healthy he doesn't really alter shots, he's a solid team defender and can play positional defense but he and Love meeting you at the rim is nothing to worry about.

Also, Varejao has averaged 26 games the last 3 seasons, he's the only center on their entire roster and it's pretty much a given that he will miss a chunk of the season. They're going to need a 5, if they can snag Mozgov or Dieng then I'd say they were the favorites to win the title next year.

Can't believe you're sleeping on the Spurs and OKC..

 

[tremonthustler1]

But if defense and cap space is such an issue, that should help Cleveland is some capacity. Sanders is a perfect front-court compliment to Love and Mayo's deal expires after next season to give them an extra $8 million in cap space. He could be motivated again playing with LeBron.

I'm just trying to throw scenarios out there since a lot of people seem to think Love on the Cavs is a bad idea.

I meant to say would, my bad.

Personally i've always been against acquiring someone in the hopes that he'll find more motivation, because that player's motor will forever be questioned.

Kyrie's perceived value would be higher than Sanders /Mayo, much higher.

 

[FTBS]

If I was the GM i would have been trying to trade kyrie for love (in some kind of 3way assuming minny's content with rubio at the point)...there's an inevitable mo williams-ization of any guard, especially point, that plays with bron...and kyrie is one of the worst spot shooters in the league...they're gonna run into the same issues that wade and bron did where you're not gonna be able to get optimal value out of both players offensively when both on the floor at the same time..it's not a natural fit..you're end up with a version of kyrie with greatly reduced offensive impact, all while not being anywhere near the defensive disruptor or overall player defensively as wade was...Bron and Love have games that mesh far more naturally, he'd be essentially a idealized version of what bosh was getting turned into (though, again, not the same defender)...get a bitter fitting and cheaper (though otherwise talented) replacement for irving at point...keep wiggins...and have 2 max or near max players instead of 3, giving you more flexibility to add depth

I am that this hasn't come up yet. There is too much overlap with Bron and Kyrie without the versatility of a healthy Wade AND Kyrie is just as injury prone. For whatever reason they seem to be married to dude. If that's the case then trading for Love only makes the shyt worse. You don't max out on 3 guys unless they all fit AND play both ways.