The Combat Jack Show - The Damon Dash Episode

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Cosign,makin sure employees are happy can have the opposite effect where shyt don't get done when u tryna be the nice guy....especially I would imagine with rappers,I don't know if hiphop labels have HR departments but Blaze probaly wouldna went and told if they did bcuz it wouldn't be a good look and he would look puzzy....and Dame wuznt his only boss he coulda talked to Jay or Biggs about Dames behavior but I doubt he did cuz he'd look puzzy.....how can u know ya behavior is a problem if nobodys stepping to u to beat that azz,quiting,people still kissin ur azz actin cool with u just so they can be a part of what u building and so they can get to Jay?.....did Jay ever even tell this nikka Dame about himself or did he just leave?


I can never tell Dame or Suge they ran they business wrong,not many rap labels get to where there's got too and make the money there's made.....these rap nikkas ain't loyal to shyt unless they gettin paid....they gon roll wit who's hot and who can pay the most.....and none of his employees had the power to blackball him:laff:...now if he wuz treatin Jay like he wuz Just Blaze that wuz just dumb:whoa: as jay wuz a partner and the star.
just blaze wasnt a financial partner. but his sound MADE the rock. let that be clear. he along with a couple of other guys in there with him. without that sound. these dudes would've went down as some more nice emcees that didnt have tough enough beats to make it last. just is not some soundclick producer with one hot loop.

the dude was making SONGS, HIT RECORDS left and right. respect that man.

if just name was dr dre you would respect him more. well just was the ROC's dr dre more or less. no just, no roc sound. no dre no nwa sound, no deathrow sound. do you understand how important blaze was now?


just was not some intern. and thats probably how he felt dame was treating him at times. and dame being the loud mouth obnoxious ahole he was back then. he probably didnt even notice just was catching serious feelings about the issues at hand. notice. the other guy said the same thing. so you have 2 different dudes crying about the same guy for the same reason. we saw jay dip on dame. we've seen dame in action. the dude was a bit much. lets just be real about it. he could've been passionate without going overboard.
 

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this^^^. dame was acting like he gave Just everything. not aknowledging just gave him the hot beats that made the ROC's sound. without that they would've been another decent east coast crew that fell off 10 years prior. it goes both ways, you pay me, and i make you hot beats. everyone is happy.

its not "yo little man, i did you a favor by bringing you on to the ROC" No you didnt. i worked for you. you earned millions off of my work. there were no favors done. there was a job opening and i applied for it. got the job and was great at it. Dame really thinks he makes everyone around him. there's a reason jigga said, go make another Jay.

dame swears he taught jay how to dress. he swears he taught just how to dress.
he swears he gave just an opportunity as if just didnt earn it. just wasnt some kid on the streets that Dame scooped up and then he found out later he could make beats. dame got just cause just was nice with the beats.

My MAN:win:
 

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Cosign,makin sure employees are happy can have the opposite effect where shyt don't get done when u tryna be the nice guy....especially I would imagine with rappers,I don't know if hiphop labels have HR departments but Blaze probaly wouldna went and told if they did bcuz it wouldn't be a good look and he would look puzzy....and Dame wuznt his only boss he coulda talked to Jay or Biggs about Dames behavior but I doubt he did cuz he'd look puzzy.....how can u know ya behavior is a problem if nobodys stepping to u to beat that azz,quiting,people still kissin ur azz actin cool with u just so they can be a part of what u building and so they can get to Jay?.....did Jay ever even tell this nikka Dame about himself or did he just leave?


I can never tell Dame or Suge they ran they business wrong,not many rap labels get to where there's got too and make the money there's made.....these rap nikkas ain't loyal to shyt unless they gettin paid....they gon roll wit who's hot and who can pay the most.....and none of his employees had the power to blackball him:laff:...now if he wuz treatin Jay like he wuz Just Blaze that wuz just dumb:whoa: as jay wuz a partner and the star.
He was treating Jay like that. Thats why they split.

He might not have been barking on Jay like this. But there was def a general culture and history of disrespect. Im pretty sure the Dipset thing was the last straw.

Not to mention, I feel like Dame got Jay in the door, but once HKL popped off Jay began to take more career and creative control.
 

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just sounds so weak in this interview. lost his composure and was making excuses left and right. voice getting high pitched trying to play off hsi rhinestone belts and shyt. I never liked dame, but he made sense in here. still I can see how working with him could make you not like him, but thats how he made things work. being a boss doesnt mean youre everybodys friend.

you can even see now, that just takes forever to release shyt, has sporadic work ethic and disapears a lot meanwhile kanye is at the top in hip hop. he grinds for real. looks like just blaze didnt like having the boss breathing heavy on him telling to get up and get his shyt together. I like damon a little more now after the interview. hes more humble and made a lot of sense.
 

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just blaze wasnt a financial partner. but his sound MADE the rock. let that be clear. he along with a couple of other guys in there with him. without that sound. these dudes would've went down as some more nice emcees that didnt have tough enough beats to make it last. just is not some soundclick producer with one hot loop.

the dude was making SONGS, HIT RECORDS left and right. respect that man.

if just name was dr dre you would respect him more. well just was the ROC's dr dre more or less. no just, no roc sound. no dre no nwa sound, no deathrow sound. do you understand how important blaze was now?


just was not some intern. and thats probably how he felt dame was treating him at times. and dame being the loud mouth obnoxious ahole he was back then. he probably didnt even notice just was catching serious feelings about the issues at hand. notice. the other guy said the same thing. so you have 2 different dudes crying about the same guy for the same reason. we saw jay dip on dame. we've seen dame in action. the dude was a bit much. lets just be real about it. he could've been passionate without going overboard.

Without the emcees the roc had Just blaze I don't believe is considered a top 10 producer,the number of hits and the performances of the rappers and song quality definitly help boost Just status of a producer.....he could've been known as sum nikka who made sum hot beats but doesn't get the respect he deserved if not for him being able to give beats to the hottest rappper in the ggame,and cream of the crop artist......he got a lot of rub and money off the brand he wuz apart of.....didn't he produce Saigons album in full?how far did that go?that could've easily been his career.

And u can't compare him to Dre bcuz Dre is Dre:heh:...the name speaks for itself,Just comin into the Roc wuz not looked at in the same light he is now,not legendary at all......I doubt they even looked at them in that light as if he wuz making the rocs sound....knew he wuz talented but also believed they could plug another nikka in there and get the same effect......the producer is always underappreciated until they reach sumthing similar to Dre status.....he may not have thought he wuz a intern but I'm not suprised if Dame did look at him that way and I can't say myself the roc woulda been lost without em......and if Just felt different ud think he would flex back if he thought he wuz irreplacebable but not treated as such....Dame obviously wuz over the top as we know after the fact and apparenly "evil"....but its hard to fault em if nobody really checked em on that shyt,nikkas stayed around like battered women and ran soon as they got an opening when Jay left....crazy thing is it wuznt a Deathrow situation where dudes wuz actually getttin beat on and shoulda feared for they life....just a situation where sum nikka is annoying and talks too much shyt:mindblown:? It is a good business lesson for Dame to know his management stayle doesn't work for everybody,but then again its hard to argue with results bcuz that shyt did work up to a point:manny:Do u have regrets?knowing that maybe if u didn't use the style u did u don't go as far and be succesful as u were?that's a tuff call
 

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dame said he did 3 projects with the black keys, 2 blakrocs and one with the rza? when the fukk is that droppin..


also side note, jus did sound like a bytch but dame doing his best to save face sayin he happy the company he created went down the tubes n jay basically snatched it from him. you cant even believe anythuing he says he;; never let anyone try to play him as havinga weakness. thats just his nature. he way too into himself
 

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Without the emcees the roc had Just blaze I don't believe is considered a top 10 producer,the number of hits and the performances of the rappers and song quality definitly help boost Just status of a producer.....he could've been known as sum nikka who made sum hot beats but doesn't get the respect he deserved if not for him being able to give beats to the hottest rappper in the ggame,and cream of the crop artist......he got a lot of rub and money off the brand he wuz apart of.....didn't he produce Saigons album in full?how far did that go?that could've easily been his career.

And u can't compare him to Dre bcuz Dre is Dre:heh:...the name speaks for itself,Just comin into the Roc wuz not looked at in the same light he is now,not legendary at all......I doubt they even looked at them in that light as if he wuz making the rocs sound....knew he wuz talented but also believed they could plug another nikka in there and get the same effect......the producer is always underappreciated until they reach sumthing similar to Dre status.....he may not have thought he wuz a intern but I'm not suprised if Dame did look at him that way and I can't say myself the roc woulda been lost without em......and if Just felt different ud think he would flex back if he thought he wuz irreplacebable but not treated as such....Dame obviously wuz over the top as we know after the fact and apparenly "evil"....but its hard to fault em if nobody really checked em on that shyt,nikkas stayed around like battered women and ran soon as they got an opening when Jay left....crazy thing is it wuznt a Deathrow situation where dudes wuz actually getttin beat on and shoulda feared for they life....just a situation where sum nikka is annoying and talks too much shyt:mindblown:? It is a good business lesson for Dame to know his management stayle doesn't work for everybody,but then again its hard to argue with results bcuz that shyt did work up to a point:manny:Do u have regrets?knowing that maybe if u didn't use the style u did u don't go as far and be succesful as u were?that's a tuff call
who was going to check dame? an employee? some producer he pays? no way.

just loved making beats. not liked it, no it wasnt just a job. he loved it. on top of that. like you said because he got to work with some insane rappers early in their careers(not just jay). it was like the best thing a label producer ever could ask for. so of course he wasnt going to mess that all up just to put dame in his place.

if dame saw him as an intern producer. and if just would've checked him for real. dame would not have fallen back. he would've fired dude, clowned dude. and probably tried to black ball dude. an A hole doesnt like being checked. a loud mouth obnoxious comedian from harlem is not going to be checked even when he is checked. he will deny it and do everything in his power to come out on top. OR atleast look that way. which would start with "nucca ya fired. check date jus... dis nucca jus has JUST been Fired. Just Fired Blaze haa haaaa"

thats what dame would've done.

the only dude that could've checked him in Jay Z. and jay was not about to put that kind of effort into changing a dude who wasnt going to change. that he personally knew dudes upbringing made him who he was. just like jay was who he was. jay is a live and let live type of guy. the only person he ever hit up about changing was beans. "chill beans, chill" yall remember that? and that was probably because beans was his artist and he didnt want his artist catching a case.
 

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just sounds so weak in this interview. lost his composure and was making excuses left and right. voice getting high pitched trying to play off hsi rhinestone belts and shyt. I never liked dame, but he made sense in here. still I can see how working with him could make you not like him, but thats how he made things work. being a boss doesnt mean youre everybodys friend.

you can even see now, that just takes forever to release shyt, has sporadic work ethic and disapears a lot meanwhile kanye is at the top in hip hop. he grinds for real. looks like just blaze didnt like having the boss breathing heavy on him telling to get up and get his shyt together. I like damon a little more now after the interview. hes more humble and made a lot of sense.

and you my friend have fallen for the harlem shake. the real one. the one where a harlem hustla. hustles you with an interview.

do you really believe dame was THRU with Da ROC? HELLLLZ NO. dat dude is lying. sure he had other interests. but that dude was not THRU. he was only thru when jay made it clear he was THRU. lets not forget how sensitive dame became during the break up. a dude that was thru with music would not be all hurt like that. sure they were friends. blah blah. but he was still talking about Da ROC this, Da ROC that. i aint buying it. and you shouldnt buy it either.

now with that said. i agreed with dame on why he THOUGHT he had to talk tough to some degree because he was around real street dudes. street dudes usually have two things in common. moms kicked you out cause you wouldnt listen and follow her rules. you got booted out of school cause you wouldnt listen and follow their rules. you get scooped up by the cops and did jail time. cause you wouldnt listen and follow the rules of law.

theme? you dont listen to authority and you dont know how to follow rules. so dame cant be soft when speaking to you. especially him not being 30 years older then these dudes. but he didnt have to be a wordclass A hole 24/7.
 

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Without the emcees the roc had Just blaze I don't believe is considered a top 10 producer,the number of hits and the performances of the rappers and song quality definitly help boost Just status of a producer.....he could've been known as sum nikka who made sum hot beats but doesn't get the respect he deserved if not for him being able to give beats to the hottest rappper in the ggame,and cream of the crop artist......he got a lot of rub and money off the brand he wuz apart of.....didn't he produce Saigons album in full?how far did that go?that could've easily been his career.

And u can't compare him to Dre bcuz Dre is Dre:heh:...the name speaks for itself,Just comin into the Roc wuz not looked at in the same light he is now,not legendary at all......I doubt they even looked at them in that light as if he wuz making the rocs sound....knew he wuz talented but also believed they could plug another nikka in there and get the same effect......the producer is always underappreciated until they reach sumthing similar to Dre status.....he may not have thought he wuz a intern but I'm not suprised if Dame did look at him that way and I can't say myself the roc woulda been lost without em......and if Just felt different ud think he would flex back if he thought he wuz irreplacebable but not treated as such....Dame obviously wuz over the top as we know after the fact and apparenly "evil"....but its hard to fault em if nobody really checked em on that shyt,nikkas stayed around like battered women and ran soon as they got an opening when Jay left....crazy thing is it wuznt a Deathrow situation where dudes wuz actually getttin beat on and shoulda feared for they life....just a situation where sum nikka is annoying and talks too much shyt:mindblown:? It is a good business lesson for Dame to know his management stayle doesn't work for everybody,but then again its hard to argue with results bcuz that shyt did work up to a point:manny:Do u have regrets?knowing that maybe if u didn't use the style u did u don't go as far and be succesful as u were?that's a tuff call
oh i feel you. he's in a cold spot even looking back.

cause he was dealing with street nuccas and felons. hood boys. you know how we act. suge had to slap some gangstas from time to time. was it right? NO. but looking back at it. you know gangsta that are under 25 dont listen. they think they can do what they want to until you bring that heavy hand and show them you are more gangsta then they are. because thats usually the only thing they understand. aside from a white man telling the to do something with a badge on.

so i say use that crazy dame talk when need be but easy on the over done clowning of people. use that crazy dame talk when in the board room with other young black execs. because they need to be clowned when we all know they are trying to jerk other young black men just like the white man was known for doing in the past.
 

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and you my friend have fallen for the harlem shake. the real one. the one where a harlem hustla. hustles you with an interview.

do you really believe dame was THRU with Da ROC? HELLLLZ NO. dat dude is lying. sure he had other interests. but that dude was not THRU. he was only thru when jay made it clear he was THRU. lets not forget how sensitive dame became during the break up. a dude that was thru with music would not be all hurt like that. sure they were friends. blah blah. but he was still talking about Da ROC this, Da ROC that. i aint buying it. and you shouldnt buy it either.

I never even said anything of the sort. where you even get that from.

now with that said. i agreed with dame on why he THOUGHT he had to talk tough to some degree because he was around real street dudes. street dudes usually have two things in common. moms kicked you out cause you wouldnt listen and follow her rules. you got booted out of school cause you wouldnt listen and follow their rules. you get scooped up by the cops and did jail time. cause you wouldnt listen and follow the rules of law.

yeah, exactly. dame knew how to manuever, and thats how his team got what they did. it wasnt all jay and his mans. dame hustled and put it on for his team.


theme? you dont listen to authority and you dont know how to follow rules. so dame cant be soft when speaking to you. especially him not being 30 years older then these dudes. but he didnt have to be a wordclass A hole 24/7.

no, he didnt. its funny but once its all said and done, he stepped back and admitted that himself. I like that it wasnt coming from a place of hate and a need to bury someone, however. even old crybaby just said he appreciated how dame pulled him to the side to talk about his family when somebody passed away.

and through it all, I dont see dame really blaming anyone else, or dragging names through the mud. hes not coming off as sour. I believe him when he said he was hard on his team because he didnt want them to be lesser. thats how some big brothers are. so for him, no fake jerseys, no funny assed rhinestone belts, and no faking on deadlines for work. he was down for his team, and that deserves props.
 

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who was going to check dame? an employee? some producer he pays? no way.

just loved making beats. not liked it, no it wasnt just a job. he loved it. on top of that. like you said because he got to work with some insane rappers early in their careers(not just jay). it was like the best thing a label producer ever could ask for. so of course he wasnt going to mess that all up just to put dame in his place.

if dame saw him as an intern producer. and if just would've checked him for real. dame would not have fallen back. he would've fired dude, clowned dude. and probably tried to black ball dude. an A hole doesnt like being checked. a loud mouth obnoxious comedian from harlem is not going to be checked even when he is checked. he will deny it and do everything in his power to come out on top. OR atleast look that way. which would start with "nucca ya fired. check date jus... dis nucca jus has JUST been Fired. Just Fired Blaze haa haaaa"

thats what dame would've done.

the only dude that could've checked him in Jay Z. and jay was not about to put that kind of effort into changing a dude who wasnt going to change. that he personally knew dudes upbringing made him who he was. just like jay was who he was. jay is a live and let live type of guy. the only person he ever hit up about changing was beans. "chill beans, chill" yall remember that? and that was probably because beans was his artist and he didnt want his artist catching a case.


Good points and Lol yeah that's exactly what Dame would've done,but had his talent checked em thru words,a smack,or by leaving maybe Dame would've had to check himself and at least pretended to not be a azzhole....basically he woulda learned the same thing people say he should've realized in hindsght now.....if he wuznt challenged he never really had a chance to improve or change the way he interacted with a just.....at the end of the day whether he wuz bein abbrasive or not or comin down hard him and Just just might not have fit,I'm not sure if Just is a street dude or not....but Jay wuz,and apparantly Dame started gettin on his nerves too,sum personalities just won't fit....as a loud obnoxious nikka myself I can be around other loud obnoxious nikkas for a good part of the day:russ:....but for sumbody who's not like that and who's laid back and don't wanna partake its probaly hell for sumbody just bein around the loud obnoxious type whether the victim of anything or not,I still got a feeling it wouldn't work out.

I can only imagine that once Cam and then Dipset nikkas came on board it made shyt 10 times worse:mindblown:...as loud and obnoxious as I probaly am to people who or introverted or just laid back and don't wanna hear that bullshyt all the time,I'm waaaay worse when I'm with my family and real homeboys:myman:

Its just so many personality types on a label its hard to make everybody happy,and if majority of people could handle the shyt talk Blaze mighta been in the minority along with Jay...who happened to be an important asset and the most important assett....but personality wise they mighta been outnumbered and everybody did seem happy to dame bcuz the majority could handle and liked the fukkery and minority didn't say shyt..
 
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