The Dan Marino Mythology

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So cats couldn't really refute that Marino had solid teams around him that he couldn't elevate. And they definitely couldn't explain why his productivity dipped so dramatically in the playoffs...

But I'm supposed to give this dude an auto GOAT consideration because he had an amazing arm...

Marino had a 10-year prime, starting from the time he walked in the door until 1992. 1992 I say was the end of his prime, as he got hurt in '93 and while he cane back productive, never led The League in anything again, never advanced beyond the Divisionals again. His 1994-96 is his parallel to Brady's Tampa run, he was still a borderline elite but aging player, but by '97 his production dives precipitously and he's pretty washed...

So when guys on here are talking about Dan yall gotta be talking about '94 backwards, '94 was his last great-ish season. But the elite years were 1983 thru 1992. And a 10-year prime is elite longevity, Graham didn't have a decade-long prime, Aikman didn't have a decade-long prime, Staubach didn't have a decade-long prime, etc. So off rip he has a legacy point for having a long prime as an elite player, everybody doesn't have that...

PRIME MARINO (1983-92)
93-56 (.624), 10 wins/Per 16
5-5 (.500) playoffs, 1-2 AFCCG, 0-1 SB
4x AFCE champ
'84 MVP, '84 OPOY
4x All-Pro (3x 1st), 7x Pro Bowl
5x yards champ, 3x TD champ, '84 rtg champ
NFL100
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(Per 16)4186-31-18 on 59.2-7.5-87.8; 261.6 ypg
(Playoffs)2529-22-14 on 54.8-6.5-79.2; 252.9 ypg

This is an impressive prime until you start comparing it to other legends. For starters he missed the playoffs five times in the smack prime of his career, including 4x consecutively. Somebody explain this, because we can pull receipts of dudes shytting on Brees for consecutive 7-9 no playoff years, what would be the justification in treating Marino differently? Big arm and heavy ok the stats with no impact on winning?

His 10 wins per 16 is impressive, weighted heavily by his first three seasons though. And really, if you dive into his career, he led the NFL in yards 3 of his first 4 years, 4 of his first 6 years, then there's a significant slowdown---->Marino peaked early. But he played 17 years. He was on a gradual decline after '88, I'm sure hard to notice in real time but there isn't an argument here, 90s Marino was not the Same Guy as 80s Marino...

Here's the thing, in his prime he had a .500 playoff record that saw him lose 4 of those 5 games in blowouts. I know the stat lines and you can look them up yourselves, but can we get an explanation for specifically how a player so great loses in blowout fashion so often with the season on the line? This is right after explaining the 4 consecutive missed playoffs...

So we shyt on Brees for missing the playoffs in his prime, the same Brees who is the most accurate passer in NFL history with a pretty prolific arm too--->but with Marino it's different. I'm asking why?

We shyt on Manning for dropping in production in the playoffs, the sane Manning who is the best pre-snap quarterback ever, with a pretty prolific arm too---->but it's different with Marino? I'm trying to find out why...

The problem with sports fans in general, not just in football but any sport, is bias. Fans in general don't hold great players to the same standards of accountability, I've certainly called this out in basketball discussion and it's the same here. Was Marino an All-Timer? Were Manning and Brees? Okay, there's a bar of accountability the quarterback has, that all great quarterbacks have, to elevate, to transcend, to perform when everything isn't right for them, to play well under pressure, etc....

Too many if you guys have a sliding criteria and moving goalposts when it comes to evaluating players, sliding criteria that changes depending on how much you like a guy. I'm convinced I'm one if the few guys here who holds all great players to the same standards of accountability...

Because if we hold Marino to the same bar as everyone else there is no GOAT case, his Top 5 case is weak and his Top 10 case only barely passes the surface. I have to go off superlatives like arm talent and measurables to convince me he's the GOAT because the actual RESULTS of how he played in the biggest moments, the actual RESULTS of what he put on the board, don't tell me this is a Top 5 All-Time quarterback...

And before you old nikkas run in, yes, I get when he retired he was a Top 5 guy. He retired 23 years ago. There's been a number of guys to ascend in the near quarter-century he's been gone. I'm speaking SPECIFICALLY to you old heads who today in 2023 claim he's a Top 5 GOAT...
 
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murksiderock said:
So cats couldn't really refute that Marino had solid teams around him that he couldn't elevate. And they definitely couldn't explain why his productivity dipped so dramatically in the playoffs...

But I'm supposed to give this dude an auto GOAT consideration because he had an amazing arm...

Marino had a 10-year prime, starting from the time he walked in the door until 1992. 1992 I say was the end of his prime, as he got hurt in '93 and while he cane back productive, never led The League in anything again, never advanced beyond the Divisionals again. His 1994-96 is his parallel to Brady's Tampa run, he was still a borderline elite but aging player, but by '97 his production dives precipitously and he's pretty washed...

So when guys on here are talking about Dan yall gotta be talking about '94 backwards, '94 was his last great-ish season. But the elite years were 1983 thru 1992. And a 10-year prime is elite longevity, Graham didn't have a decade-long prime, Aikman didn't have a decade-long prime, Staubach didn't have a decade-long prime, etc. So off rip he has a legacy point for having a long prime as an elite player, everybody doesn't have that...

PRIME MARINO (1983-92)
93-56 (.624), 10 wins/Per 16
5-5 (.500) playoffs, 1-2 AFCCG, 0-1 SB
4x AFCE champ
'84 MVP, '84 OPOY
4x All-Pro (3x 1st), 7x Pro Bowl
5x yards champ, 3x TD champ, '84 rtg champ
NFL100
.............
(Per 16)4186-31-18 on 59.2-7.5-87.8; 261.6 ypg
(Playoffs)2529-22-14 on 54.8-6.5-79.2; 252.9 ypg

This is an impressive prime until you start comparing it to other legends. For starters he missed the playoffs five times in the smack prime of his career, including 4x consecutively. Somebody explain this, because we can pull receipts of dudes shytting on Brees for consecutive 7-9 no playoff years, what would be the justification in treating Marino differently? Big arm and heavy ok the stats with no impact on winning?

His 10 wins per 16 is impressive, weighted heavily by his first three seasons though. And really, if you dive into his career, he led the NFL in yards 3 of his first 4 years, 4 of his first 6 years, then there's a significant slowdown---->Marino peaked early. But he played 17 years. He was on a gradual decline after '88, I'm sure hard to notice in real time but there isn't an argument here, 90s Marino was not the Same Guy as 80s Marino...

Here's the thing, in his prime he had a .500 playoff record that saw him lose 4 of those 5 games in blowouts. I know the stat lines and you can look them up yourselves, but can we get an explanation for specifically how a player so great loses in blowout fashion so often with the season on the line? This is right after explaining the 4 consecutive missed playoffs...

So we shyt on Brees for missing the playoffs in his prime, the same Brees who is the most accurate passer in NFL history with a pretty prolific arm too--->but with Marino it's different. I'm asking why?

We shyt on Manning for dropping in production in the playoffs, the sane Manning who is the best pre-snap quarterback ever, with a pretty prolific arm too---->but it's different with Marino? I'm trying to find out why...

The problem with sports fans in general, not just in football but any sport, is bias. Fans in general don't hold great players to the same standards of accountability, I've certainly called this out in basketball discussion and it's the same here. Was Marino an All-Timer? Were Manning and Brees? Okay, there's a bar of accountability the quarterback has, that all great quarterbacks have, to elevate, to transcend, to perform when everything isn't right for them, to play well under pressure, etc....

Too many if you guys have a sliding criteria and moving goalposts when it comes to evaluating players, sliding criteria that changes depending on how much you like a guy. I'm convinced I'm one if the few guys here who holds all great players to the same standards of accountability...

Because if we hold Marino to the same bar as everyone else there is no GOAT case, his Top 5 case is weak and his Top 10 case only barely passes the surface. I have to go off superlatives like arm talent and measurables to convince me he's the GOAT because the actual RESULTS of how he played in the biggest moments, the actual RESULTS of what he put on the board, don't tell me this is a Top 5 All-Time quarterback...

And before you old nikkas run in, yes, I get when he retired he was a Top 5 guy. He retired 23 years ago. There's been a number of guys to ascend in the near quarter-century he's been gone. I'm speaking SPECIFICALLY to you old heads who today in 2023 claim he's a Top 5 GOAT...
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Typed all that bullshyt about a player you never saw in real tine and his experience only to co-sign a shytty fellow data mining hater who thinks Marino played on well rounded teams.

You focus on stopping Marino, the Fish never had a plan b.

You can word salad from here to tomorrow…it doesnt change what I posted above. The Fish offense was one dimensional trash. Never built for the playoffs.

Marino did not hold those team back. The Fish front office did never giving him a real backfield
 
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