The ending wasn't that bad and here's why

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Brock's shtick has been going on for almost 3 years now, it was time for a changeup. The feeling I get from the way they book some of Brock's matches is that they're supposed to be like MMA/boxing matches, where anything can happen, upsets can occur out of nowhere, somebody can dominate the entire fight, or they could lose within the first minute. McGregor tapped out in the 2nd round after winning 15 in a row, Rousey got punked in the 2nd round after going 12-0, Tyson lost to Douglas, etc. This isn't "burying" the rest of the roster because since when is wrestling or any sport for that matter transitive like that? And it also makes sense kayfabe wise to say Brock had an off night/Brock is getting old or is losing it/Brock didn't take the match seriously, etc. especially considering Brock's part time and wrestles like 3 times a year. From a certain perspective, you might think this was catastrophic Nitro 2000 level booking, and it does seem that way, but it wasn't for any championships, it wasn't against a full-time wrestler who would actually be hurt by that decision, and the ramifications of this remains to be seen.

I also like the storytelling aspect of this - Brock finally encounters a challenge, another monster on his level that he can't beat and can't beat easily, someone who made him a victim of the same barbarity and dominance he's shown towards others. Brock gets his comeuppance, and it feels satsifying.

I only didn't like the ending because they gipped paying fans out of a full main event match once again, and Goldberg is likely gonna go away and if he's telling the truth, never wrestle again. They need to do a rematch at the Rumble and have either Brock go over so he can redeem himself, or Goldberg win again in a full match in order to make this truly interesting and go all the way with it. And if they don't, that brings the question of how they're gonna angle Brock's next feud. There's a lot of potentially interesting things that could come out of that ending

Someone else said it perfectly:
In recent weeks, Lesnar's hallmark tone has subtly shifted from toughness and realism to disdain And arrogance. He was unprepared for any danger because he no longer saw any danger. After being shoved down by Lesnar, did he get serious? No. He laughed and turned his back to Goldberg as he got up.

His own hubris made him vulnerable more than Goldberg did. The more I think about it, the more I like last night's match. It's the only way a Goldberg win makes sense, and it's fresh in-ring story telling. We've seen this story in combat sports before, but not really on WWE.
 
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Brock's shtick has been going on for almost 3 years now, it was time for a changeup. The feeling I get from the way they book some of Brock's matches is that they're supposed to be like MMA/boxing matches, where anything can happen, upsets can occur out of nowhere, somebody can dominate the entire fight, or they could lose within the first minute. McGregor tapped out in the 2nd round after winning 15 in a row, Rousey got punked in the 2nd round after going 12-0, Tyson lost to Douglas, etc. This isn't "burying" the rest of the roster because since when is wrestling or any sport for that matter transitive like that? And it also makes sense kayfabe wise to say Brock had an off night/Brock is getting old or is losing it/Brock didn't take the match seriously, etc. especially considering Brock's part time and wrestles like 3 times a year. From a certain perspective, you might think this was catastrophic Nitro 2000 level booking, and it does seem that way, but it wasn't for any championships, it wasn't against a full-time wrestler who would actually be hurt by that decision, and the ramifications of this remains to be seen.

I also like the storytelling aspect of this - Brock finally encounters a challenge, another monster on his level that he can't beat and can't beat easily, someone who made him a victim of the same barbarity and dominance he's shown towards others

I only didn't like the ending because they gipped paying fans out of a full main event match once again, and Goldberg is likely gonna go away and if he's telling the truth, never wrestle again. They need to do a rematch at the Rumble and have either Brock go over so he can redeem himself, or Goldberg win again in a full match in order to make this truly interesting and go all the way with it. And if they don't, that brings the question of how they're gonna angle Brock's next feud. There's a lot of potentially interesting things that could come out of that ending
Redeem himself? He lost twice. This was supposed to be his redemption.
 

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Redeem himself? He lost twice. This was supposed to be his redemption.

That match was 12 years ago number 1, number 2 the point I'm making regarding that is Goldberg's now known as the beast slayer with 2 wins over Brock, one being in convincing dominating fashion. Brock can reverse all that and delete that title in a 3rd match if he wins. It's not the end of the world, its actually an easy fix
 

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That match was 12 years ago number 1, number 2 the point I'm making regarding that is Goldberg's now known as the beast slayer with 2 wins over Brock, one being in convincing dominating fashion. Brock can reverse all that and delete that title in a 3rd match if he wins. It's not the end of the world, its actually an easy fix
You can't do the "that was a long time ago" thing. WWE made the WM20 match relevant by including it in the storyline. He can't erase all that. You sound like WWE now, thinking fans will just forget stuff.
 

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You can't do the "that was a long time ago" thing. WWE made the WM20 match relevant by including it in the storyline. He can't erase all that. You sound like WWE now, thinking fans will just forget stuff.

I didn't imply that I'm erasing the match, WWE didn't even do that, they included the match in the story and the video packages. But the match was 12 years ago, so both kayfabe and shoot wise both wrestlers are older/different/more experienced/rusty/a whole bunch of other factors, and Brock's story/character today is different from what it was 12 years ago. You're saying Brock can't redeem himself after this because he already had his chance, but I'm saying this match and potentially the next one had/has a different dynamic and story than the one from 12 years ago, so yes he can because everything's changed. Even so, you can still redeem yourself in a 3-match series you know
 

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I didn't imply that I'm erasing the match, WWE didn't even do that, they included the match in the story and the video packages. But the match was 12 years ago, so both kayfabe and shoot wise both wrestlers are older/different/more experienced/rusty/a whole bunch of other factors, and Brock's story/character today is different from what it was 12 years ago. You're saying Brock can't redeem himself after this because he already had his chance, but I'm saying this match and potentially the next one had/has a different dynamic and story than the one from 12 years ago, so yes he can because everything's changed. Even so, you can still redeem yourself in a 3-match series you know
The fact that Brock's story/character is different than it was 12 years ago makes his redemption impossible. He's far more experienced yet lost even faster than he did back then to an old man who hasn't wrestled since. This guy was invincible, no selling multiple AA's and now he's losing in a minute? No way. You can't compare MMA/boxing to pro wrestling.
 

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The fact that Brock's story/character is different than it was 12 years ago makes his redemption impossible. He's far more experienced yet lost even faster than he did back then to an old man who hasn't wrestled since. This guy was invincible, no selling multiple AA's and now he's losing in a minute? No way. You can't compare MMA/boxing to pro wrestling.
The way he's been booked, I could buy Lesnar losing if it was 8 spears and 9 jackhammers to do it

Cena beat him by hitting him with a chain and HHH beat him with the steel steps... Taker couldn't beat him, Reigns couldn't beat him with spears and Superman punches and Cena couldn't beat him with AAs but Goldberg can beat him with 3 attacks

I could also buy the whole Lesnar didn't take him serious storyline if they went that route.. dude didn't look confident at all and didn't even look like he even trained for the match
 

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The fact that Brock's story/character is different than it was 12 years ago makes his redemption impossible. He's far more experienced yet lost even faster than he did back then to an old man who hasn't wrestled since. This guy was invincible, no selling multiple AA's and now he's losing in a minute? No way. You can't compare MMA/boxing to pro wrestling.

I'm not comparing MMA/boxing to pro wrestling, but the kayfabe of pro wrestling is that its real competition in the same vein as MMA/boxing. So a WWE match could easily go the same way as an MMA/boxing fight and it would make sense kayfabe wise

With that being said, why can't Brock lose in a minute? Why would his redemption be impossible? The face that pro wrestling puts on is that its real fighting and real competition. People said "no way" to Cavs coming back 3-1 vs GS, people said "no way" to USA beating Russia in hockey, people said "no way" to Rousey losing or Tyson losing to Douglas, so kayfabe wise it's certainly possible Brock would lose in that fashion to a 50 year old, even if Brock is "invincible" (and its obvious that the story this ending was trying to tell you is that he isn't, that there's always someone bigger and stronger than you and that Brock is not invincible). Even then, formidable wrestlers sometimes job out in seconds, and wrestlers can come back after a long hiatus and dominate. Now granted, I get that the consistency of wrestling booking is rocked by decisions like this, because stuff like this never happens, but fukk it I think it was cool :yeshrug:Also you have to realize, 3 years of non-stop dominant booking isn't undone just like that. Brock was only knocked down a peg, not the entire ladder. He can easily bring himself back up if he gets a rematch and wins.
 
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Smart move. Goldberg was injured so there needed to be a shocker. The match was still a success regardless of how long it was. The story writes itself.:smugdraper:

The rematch at the rumble will be:banderas:
 

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The fact that so many of you are talking about it and want to see what happens next means whatever they were going for worked. Just like they did with summerslam
 
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