The ending wasn't that bad and here's why

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Why are you trying to speak for every single wrestling fan? Yeah there's people who are growing tired of Brock but that's not the entire 2 million weekly audience fool. There's still going to be massive hype around the next Brock match, same way there was massive hype around this Goldberg match, and the Randy match, and the Ambrose match, even though none of the 3 were good. Brock's a main event top draw and that's not gonna realistically change anytime soon

Again, the question you're avoiding because you dont have an answer - Why exactly? Why would any Lesnar match have massive hype around it going forward? He's just another guy now, and he looked stupid as fukk last night.

Its not like he puts on great matches. The half of the fans that are sick of Lesnar dont like his matches and would prefer not to see him at all anymore. The other half didnt care that all his matches were the same German-fests because all they cared about was the fact that he was the unstoppable beast of pro wrestling, and that was his entire draw. That's gone now. The only intrigue of his last few matches were seeing how bad Brock would dominate his opponent, and the slight possibility in the back of your head that they would actually book Ambrose/Orton/whoever to beat Lesnar, creating a new big dog and monster push for that chosen wrestler. They chose to waste that on a guy that will have zero lasting impact on the product going forward.

The school bully just got his ass kicked by some regular joe that doesnt even fight, and you expect all the kids to still be afraid of him? Nah, thats over. Only question now is how pathetic were all those kids for letting themselves be beat up by a p*ssy in the first place. Everyone looks bad. That's the situation.

Bottom line is this: Was the legacy of the Undertaker, the legitimacy of the rest of the roster, and Brock's entire push/aura negated for you after last night?

Pretty much yeah. The whole thing seems stupid and pointless now.

Lol at you catching feelings defending the idiocy of Vince McMahon

I dont speak for every wrestling fan. Just the smart intelligent ones.

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

Again, the question you're avoiding because you dont have an answer - Why exactly? Why would any Lesnar match have massive hype around it going forward? He's just another guy now, and he looked stupid as fukk last night.

Its not like he puts on great matches. The half of the fans that are sick of Lesnar dont like his matches and would prefer not to see him at all anymore. The other half didnt care that all his matches were the same German-fests because all they cared about was the fact that he was the unstoppable beast of pro wrestling, and that was his entire draw. That's gone now. The only intrigue of his last few matches were seeing how bad Brock would dominate his opponent, and the slight possibility in the back of your head that they would actually book Ambrose/Orton/whoever to beat Lesnar, creating a new big dog and monster push for that chosen wrestler. They chose to waste that on a guy that will have zero lasting impact on the product going forward.

The school bully just got his ass kicked by some regular joe that doesnt even fight, and you expect all the kids to still be afraid of him? Nah, thats over. Only question now is how pathetic were all those kids for letting themselves be beat up by a p*ssy in the first place. Everyone looks bad. That's the situation.


Pretty much yeah. The whole thing seems stupid and pointless now.

Lol at you catching feelings defending the idiocy of Vince McMahon

I dont speak for every wrestling fan. Just the smart intelligent ones.

Lol @ Goldberg being 'some regular joe' with respect to current WWE where Kevin Owens is a top guy and Roman Reigns is what passes for a "powerhouse"/Superman type wrestler

 

[Golayitdown]

I can kinda understand the OP's explanation, but I would have much rather had it happen against a full timer on the roster. If that had been Rusev, Cesaro, KO, Samoa Joe, or even Sheamus, it would have been dope and would have opened up a lot of avenues for where to go, not to mention making the guy who went over him an instant credible main eventer.

To have a guy who hasn't wrestled in half a decade come in after 6 weeks of heavy buildup (including mainstream coverage) and do this was pretty wack. Unless there's a real storyline planned here (and not just some light interaction for the next two months) it just wasn't worth the price of admission (literally) and all the hype. I went to sleep halfway through the show, woke up for 30 seconds and saw the WHOLE fukking main event match

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

I'm sorry, but that's dumb, especially if it leads to a rematch. Who wants to watch a rematch where Brock just gets his win back after being squashed in 90 seconds?

Sit back and enjoy the story.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Lol @ Goldberg being 'some regular joe' with respect to current WWE where Kevin Owens is a top guy and Roman Reigns is what passes for a "powerhouse"/Superman type wrestler

He's old, injured, and has been retired for 12 years. Also zero real fighting training. Thats what made it so terrible - it made no sense in a real life sense or in a kayfabe sense.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Why are you trying to speak for every single wrestling fan? Yeah there's people who are growing tired of Brock but that's not the entire 2 million weekly audience fool. There's still going to be massive hype around the next Brock match, same way there was massive hype around this Goldberg match, and the Randy match, and the Ambrose match, even though none of the 3 were good. Brock's a main event top draw and that's not gonna realistically change anytime soon

Bottom line is this: Was the legacy of the Undertaker, the legitimacy of the rest of the roster, and Brock's entire push/aura negated for you after last night? No? Then shut the fukk up and stop working yourself. Because nobody else is really thinking those things either. At worst, people now are just viewing Goldberg on a tier above everybody else including Brock (which was the goal). And again like I said, this is scripted entertainment at the end of the day which means what was done yesterday can be easily undone tomorrow. So it's not the end of the fukking world





Someone said it perfectly:

That's still dumb because this isn't a combat sport. It's a fake sport, like a live action comic book, or a soap opera with fight scenes.

That match is a failure on a basic storytelling level. Imagine any other storytelling medium doing this: the biggest, baddest villain in the whole universe makes light work of everyone, to the point where almost everyone else is shook of him. None of the fan favorite heroes are any match for him, and there are a bunch of newer guys who are being developed to look like they can beat him... only for him to lose to a dude he just happened to fight years ago in seconds.

That's trash. There's no real payoff, and none of the characters get any payoff to their arcs. Why did the streak have to end for this? Why did Cena have to get squashed? Why did Orton get busted open? There's nothing inherently wrong with Lesnar losing to Goldberg, but not in a squash that didn't even last 90 goddamn seconds, because then all of those other stories happened for nothing.

That'd be like Frieza giving Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta that work, them setting up Gohan or Trunks to beat him, only for him to get beat in ten seconds by Yamcha.

That'd be like Darkseid fukking up the whole Justice League, them setting up the Titans to beat him, but Shazam pops up out of nowhere and destroys him without even breaking a sweat.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I can kinda understand the OP's explanation, but I would have much rather had it happen against a full timer on the roster. If that had been Rusev, Cesaro, KO, Samoa Joe, or even Sheamus, it would have been dope and would have opened up a lot of avenues for where to go, not to mention making the guy who went over him an instant credible main eventer.

The kicker is that the same guys defending this booking were the ones claiming those matches could never happen because Brock is too unstoppable. Jacked athletes in their prime arent believeable being in the same ring as Brock, but an injured grandpa squashing him is cool because it tickled their Member Berries for a night

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

He's old, injured, and has been retired for 12 years. Also zero real fighting training. Thats what made it so terrible - it made no sense in a real life sense or in a kayfabe sense.

He looks like more of a threat than guys on the roster who are 20 years younger so him being old isn't relevant. If he looked old and frail I'd see your point. He isn't injured in kayfabe. Pro wrestling is real fighting in kayfabe. He's one of the most dominant forces in the history of wrestling in kayfabe so it makes perfect sense that he retains enough of his powers to catch Brock slipping actually.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

That's still dumb because this isn't a combat sport. It's a fake sport, like a live action comic book, or a soap opera with fight scenes.

That match is a failure on a basic storytelling level. Imagine any other storytelling medium doing this: the biggest, baddest villain in the whole universe makes light work of everyone, to the point where almost everyone else is shook of him. None of the fan favorite heroes are any match for him, and there are a bunch of newer guys who are being developed to look like they can beat him... only for him to lose to a dude he just happened to fight years ago in seconds.

That's trash. There's no real payoff, and none of the characters get any payoff to their arcs. Why did the streak have to end for this? Why did Cena have to get squashed? Why did Orton get busted open? There's nothing inherently wrong with Lesnar losing to Goldberg, but not in a squash that didn't even last 90 goddamn seconds, because then all of those other stories happened for nothing.

That'd be like Frieza giving Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta that work, them setting up Gohan or Trunks to beat him, only for him to get beat in ten seconds by Yamcha.

That'd be like Darkseid fukking up the whole Justice League, them setting up the Titans to beat him, but Shazam pops up out of nowhere and destroys him without even breaking a sweat.

Hershel just returned from the dead, single-handedly murdered Negan and his whole army, then called Rick and everyone a p*ssy for letting him kill Glenn.

But its cool guys, the show will just be back to normal next week, right?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

He looks like more of a threat than guys on the roster who are 20 years younger so him being old isn't relevant. If he looked old and frail I'd see your point. He isn't injured in kayfabe. Pro wrestling is real fighting in kayfabe. He's one of the most dominant forces in the history of wrestling in kayfabe so it makes perfect sense that he retains enough of his powers to catch Brock slipping actually.

Thats far less believeable than any of the current power guys doing it, and it just makes the entire roster look weak.

 

[Golayitdown]

The kicker is that the same guys defending this booking were the ones claiming those matches could never happen because Brock is too unstoppable. Jacked athletes in their prime arent believeable being in the same ring as Brock, but an injured grandpa squashing him is cool because it tickled their Member Berries for a night

It's cool to look for a silver lining, but when you consider what they did to get Brock to this point (killing the streak and completely destroying Cena and the rest of the roster), it's a head scratcher. Brock's last 4-5 years of dominance doesn't automatically transfer to Goldberg now. It's going to be pretty no matter what full timer finally beats Brock or even Goldberg now. In Goldberg's case, he's still 12 years past his last real match and for Brock, all the momentum he built up got blown away in 2 minutes by taking such a terrible loss. To make the next person who beats Brock see like a big deal, they'd have to go hard and build Brock up all over again which is why most folks think he's at least a little stale right now.

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

Thats far less believeable than any of the current power guys doing it, and it just makes the entire roster look weak.

Like who?

 

[45123]

Again, the question you're avoiding because you dont have an answer - Why exactly? Why would any Lesnar match have massive hype around it going forward?

I'm not "avoiding" anything, I don't care enough about this to divulge in your internet forum petty argument "avoiding/defending/whatever" shyt, I just wanna debate and discuss the ending because I thought it was interesting. With that being said, I don't need to explain why any Lesnar match would have hype around it going forward - people care for who they care for, Brock has been built up for 2 and a half years now and people tune in everytime he's on. It's not feasible to explain something like hype or interest. Open up Twitter, read other opinions, go outside, ask other fans, why do I need to do this for you?

Plus yall kept saying that same thing this year, that you're not hyped for the Brock match, or that no Lesnar match going forrward really has any hype. And yet, Ambrose, Orton, and Goldberg were all headliners and drew massive amounts of attention.

He's just another guy now, and he looked stupid as fukk last night.
Its not like he puts on great matches. The half of the fans that are sick of Lesnar dont like his matches and would prefer not to see him at all anymore. The other half didnt care that all his matches were the same German-fests because all they cared about was the fact that he was the unstoppable beast of pro wrestling, and that was his entire draw. That's gone now. The only intrigue of his last few matches were seeing how bad Brock would dominate his opponent, and the slight possibility in the back of your head that they would actually book Ambrose/Orton/whoever to beat Lesnar, creating a new big dog and monster push for that chosen wrestler. They chose to waste that on a guy that will have zero lasting impact on the product going forward.

The school bully just got his ass kicked by some regular joe that doesnt even fight, and you expect all the kids to still be afraid of him? Nah, thats over. Only question now is how pathetic were all those kids for letting themselves be beat up by a p*ssy in the first place. Everyone looks bad. That's the situation.

I must have said it about 5 times now, but once again, 2.5 years of buildup is not squandered in one night, and its scripted entertainment so what was done yesterday can be undone tomorrow. You're going on this tirade like its the end of the WWE world, like every wrestler just got buried and nobody's gonna watch the product now because everyone's worthless. And why are you also making unequivocal assumptions about what direction this story is gonna go - why is Goldberg the only one who's getting a rub? Someone's probably gonna beat Goldberg in the future and get the same rub they would get from beating Brock, you know that right? And I don't know why you just overlook my MMA/boxing comparison, which was the basis of that main event. Someone gets cocky, doesn't take the fight seriously, and gets beat in a huge upset in under a minute. Brock didn't lose any intrigue or mystique at all..... if anything that intrigue/mystique was fading over this last year because we've just been getting more of the same. Now Brock has a new challenge, a new dynamic, and a new plot moving forward for his character arc. You guys think too hard into the logic of things and miss the fukking point of the story

I dont speak for every wrestling fan. Just the smart intelligent ones.

Foh with this dumb bullshyt. "I speak for every intelligent wrestling fan" is prob the worst sentiment I've ever heard expressed on this forum. Get a grip

Lol at you catching feelings defending the idiocy of Vince McMahon

Again I don't care enough about this to "defend" anything, I'm just explaining what they were doing, whether you liked it or not really doesn't matter to me. But the difference is that not only do you dislike it, but you don't understand it which is annoying.

This is a moot fukking point at the end of the day because the reaction to the ending has largely been positive. I don't know why it's always an argument on this board over some shyt that shouldn't require a debate. Fans enjoyed it, it got people talking and looking forward to the next thing, what the fukk is the problem? Even worse, the wrestlers yall bytch and moan about every week all just got "buried" according to you, and now you're angry for some reason??? Get out of here with this fake outrage

 

[45123]

That's still dumb because this isn't a combat sport. It's a fake sport, like a live action comic book, or a soap opera with fight scenes.

The face wrestling puts on is that its a real combat competitive sport. I don't know how you can say it's a "soap opera with fight scenes" or a "live action comic book" more than a MMA + boxing + wrestling match that's just not actually real. Explain exactly how pro wrestling is more like this



rather than this?



You can implement MMA/boxing aspects into pro wrestling, it's not stupid, matter of fact it's been done for ages now and even in the opposite direction, where MMA implements aspects of pro wrestling soap opera drama.

That match is a failure on a basic storytelling level. Imagine any other storytelling medium doing this......

I get what you're saying on this, but I just don't think comparing WWE to something like the things you've listed is a viable analogy. It's a variety program, meaning you can have your comic book/TV show/cartoon elements like DBZ or whatever, but you can also have your athletic competitive components in the same vein as a UFC or WBO. Brock is a combination of both, he's the Darkseid/Thanos type villain which in that case I'd see why you'd think it's a failure in storytelling, but he's also the undefeated combat athlete bully like a Floyd or whomever, so in that case its more written like an un-fabricated and real story surrounding an MMA fight, such as McGregor redeeming himself vs. Diaz or Rousey coming back after her first loss. All I'm saying is, it doesn't have to fit with your ideas about what pro wrestling is and how it should be booked/written. As a matter of fact, that finish was supposed to break any consistent ideas that traditional pro wrestling booking has planted in your head. Hell, Brock from the day he came back in 2012 has been booked and written differently than your traditional wrestling program. Those video promos where he's cussing and going off script? That Cena match which was worked like nothing we've seen before? Him coming to the ring in MMA shorts and gloves? Him wrestling a style that's like an actual MMA fight? All those should have tipped you off that the booking/writing of Brock is and has been treated differently from the get-go.

 

[CM_Burns]

Lol @ Goldberg being 'some regular joe' with respect to current WWE where Kevin Owens is a top guy and Roman Reigns is what passes for a "powerhouse"/Superman type wrestler

Right, it's fukking GOLDBERG. And age only matters so much in wrestling. Guys 38+ have been the biggest stars most of the time in the last 30 years, that's not like real sports. Ric Flair didn't beat Lesnar, Goldberg is obviously still strong and in good shape.