The ending wasn't that bad and here's why

[GoddamnyamanProf]

What's the point of debating if you're not gonna explain yourself and your reasoning What are we doing here if you're just gonna say "na na na you're wrong". Why even post in this thread

There's nothing to explain. You said "it doesnt work that way" when it plainly does. If anything YOU need to explain how this doesnt make the entire roster including all the legends look like jokes.

 

[45123]

There's nothing to explain. You said "it doesnt work that way" when it plainly does. If anything YOU need to explain how this doesnt make the entire roster including all the legends look like jokes.

But I just did in the OP??? Do I need to quote it for you?

This isn't "burying" the rest of the roster because since when is wrestling or any sport for that matter transitive like that? And it also makes sense kayfabe wise to say Brock had an off night/Brock is getting old or is losing it/Brock didn't take the match seriously, etc. especially considering Brock's part time and wrestles like 3 times a year.

Just because wrestler A beats wrestler B and wrestler B beats wrestler C doesn't necessarily mean in kayfabe that wrestler A > wrestler C.

And there's also the story that Brock was too cocky/under-prepared for a hungry and fresh Goldberg (and like I said in the OP, dominant MMA/boxers get knocked out quick sometimes. Does that mean all the previous opponents said fighter faced aren't worth anything? How about another potential story that Brock is nearly 3 years removed from when he last won a championship and beat the streak, and that he's getting old and losing his dominance?)

Sometimes smarks get too concerned over who's getting buried, as if WWE doesn't have short term memory anyways, and that at the end of the day its scripted entertainment, wins and losses can get rectified at a snap of the finger

 

[45123]

Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio is noting that Goldberg will definitely work again with Brock Lesnar in a rematch in WWE following their 86 second match at Survivor Series. Apparently the deal was put together in the last week to have Goldberg defeat Lesnar in a WCW style squash match ala the way fans rallied around him in the first place.

Brock Lesnar is said to see money in a Goldberg feud and did not want the program to end after one match. Vince McMahon seems to agree. The match was so short not because Goldberg was injured or anything like that. Once Goldberg agreed to stay the decision was made to go with the shorter bout.

Y'all don't get the large picture. I'd rather have the 86 second squash + a longer rematch where Brock goes over, than just the same old story of Brock running through somebody with no opposition. You guys constantly complain about every Brock story/match being the same, well now you're getting something different.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Y'all don't get the large picture. I'd rather have the 86 second squash + a longer rematch where Brock goes over, than just the same old story of Brock running through somebody with no opposition. You guys constantly complain about every Brock story/match being the same, well now you're getting something different.

is there no in between?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

The next Brock match is still gonna draw massive attention/interest, and the next, and the next, and the next. This match and the last few is not gonna change that. From Bray to Ambrose to Randy to this, people are still hyped to see Brock. Same sentiment being spent here is gonna foam at the mouth for Brock/AJ or Brock/Nakamura if they ever happen

Again this makes no sense. Why is everyone gonna be still perpetually hyped for Brock? A large portion of the audience had already grown tired of him, so everyone wasnt hyped to begin with, and now his mystique and aire of invincibility in the WWE is totally gone. He was treated like a joke last night, which makes everyone else he destroyed into an even bigger joke, along with the entire roster. The 50 year old non-wrestler who may or may not ever work another event for you looks like great, though. So good job on that.

 

[malbaker86]

fukking duh. It's not that deep. Dudes complain too much.

Lol everybody talking like Brock went backstage afterwards and flipped the whole locker room upside down.

Brock dont give a fukk as long as he's paid

 

[AquaCityBoy]

The story is that Goldberg has ALWAYS had Brock's number, plus Brock was overconfident and let his guard down going into this match because he's been steamrolling over everyone, while Goldberg was just as intense as ever because Heyman ran his mouth about his family and fans. It's a good story, I have no problems with last night. Brock is gonna win the next one and that'll be the end of it.

I'm sorry, but that's dumb, especially if it leads to a rematch. Who wants to watch a rematch where Brock just gets his win back after being squashed in 90 seconds?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I'm sorry, but that's dumb, especially if it leads to a rematch. Who wants to watch a rematch where Brock just gets his win back after being squashed in 90 seconds?

These dudes doing all sorts of mental flippy shyt to try to justify that idiotic show last night

 

[45123]

Again this makes no sense. Why is everyone gonna be still perpetually hyped for Brock? A large portion of the audience had already grown tired of him, so everyone wasnt hyped to begin with, and now his mystique and aire of invincibility in the WWE is totally gone. He was treated like a joke last night, which makes everyone else he destroyed into an even bigger joke, along with the entire roster. The 50 year old non-wrestler who may or may not ever work another event for you looks like great, though. So good job on that.

Why are you trying to speak for every single wrestling fan? Yeah there's people who are growing tired of Brock but that's not the entire 2 million weekly audience fool. There's still going to be massive hype around the next Brock match, same way there was massive hype around this Goldberg match, and the Randy match, and the Ambrose match, even though none of the 3 were good. Brock's a main event top draw and that's not gonna realistically change anytime soon

Bottom line is this: Was the legacy of the Undertaker, the legitimacy of the rest of the roster, and Brock's entire push/aura negated for you after last night? No? Then shut the fukk up and stop working yourself. Because nobody else is really thinking those things either. At worst, people now are just viewing Goldberg on a tier above everybody else including Brock (which was the goal). And again like I said, this is scripted entertainment at the end of the day which means what was done yesterday can be easily undone tomorrow. So it's not the end of the fukking world





Someone said it perfectly:

In recent weeks, Lesnar's hallmark tone has subtly shifted from toughness and realism to disdain And arrogance. He was unprepared for any danger because he no longer saw any danger. After being shoved down by Lesnar, did he get serious? No. He laughed and turned his back to Goldberg as he got up.

His own hubris made him vulnerable more than Goldberg did. The more I think about it, the more I like last night's match. It's the only way a Goldberg win makes sense, and it's fresh in-ring story telling. We've seen this story in combat sports before, but not really on WWE.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

If Brock-Ambrose, Brock-Orton never happened then it wouldn't be so bad, but you've basically booked three straight trash Lesnar matches now, and two straight weird endings. Why would anyone pay to see another Brock match at this point.

Loool come on, that comment proves you know nothing about pro wrestling. Cause Brock is super over and you know the reaction will again be big when he walks out on RAW tonight

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

The ending was good, Did WWE really cheat anyone out of a main event, the people got a huge shock that they spoke to their friends about and the whole arena was chanting Goldberg after the match. That match was booked great as it got Goldberg a little more over and effectively worked as a trailer, hype and promotion for the next match they will have. I and im 100% the vast majority of people want to see their next match more than they wanted to see this one

 

[45123]

I and im 100% the vast majority of people want to see their next match more than they wanted to see this one

Exactly. Now we have a compelling story to get into and new character motivations to be invested in, instead of the same old same old "I'm better than you" "I don't care about your kids" "I'm gonna kick your ass" "You can't stop my beast"

 

[Leonard Washington]

Im interested to see the storyline develop between these two

 

[Millions]

They got us and the entire wrestling world talking it worked

 

[mrken12]

I feel like this forum thinks only in its little bubble sometimes. You guys forget who is over, who and what fans want to see across the board, what people are actually saying, etc. The next Brock match is still gonna draw massive attention/interest

Everyone was chanting for Goldberg. No one gave a fukk about Brock and they'll probably be pissed off when he gets his first win in another underwhelming match. People have gotten sick of Brock months ago.