THE GRAPEVINE : Hoteps & "The Gay Agenda"

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I fukk with Grapevine but I can't stomach this shyt anymore. Can't get through any discussions without people just interrupting. I'm not for listening to people scream over each other like some children. :camby:
 

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You cats insist on repeating this dumb shyt over and over even after it had been disproven and that makes you a liar. "Our women see the double issue of race/gender". No they do not. There is no universal sexism that benefits all men over all women. There's only racism which sustematically benefits all whites over all non whites. Black women wouldn't have it any easier if they were black men and in fact they'd have it harder. Stop parroting this stupidass narrative that you've gotten from white people.

The fukk does this even mean? Nothing.

The fact that you have no concept that two things can simultaneously be true is baffling. Black men see benefits of patriarchy BUT NOWHERE near as much as other men..why...BECAUSE RACISM. Patriarchy isn't real and yet half of the TLR on this very board is topics littered with woman hating, neck beard, drivel.


Your inability to see the shades of grey is the reason you smart dumb nikkas will never get taken seriously. Move on breh and let someone with some sense engage the discussion.

The hate ya'll have for women makes me feel like ya'll got something to fear from them. :sas2:
 

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The fact that you have no concept that two things can simultaneously be true is baffling. Black men see benefits of patriarchy BUT NOWHERE near as much as other men..why...BECAUSE RACISM. Patriarchy isn't real and yet half of the TLR on this very board is topics littered with woman hating, neck beard, drivel.


Your inability to see the shades of grey is the reason you smart dumb nikkas will never get taken seriously. Move on breh and let someone with some sense engage the discussion.

The hate ya'll have for women makes me feel like ya'll got something to fear from them. :sas2:

What benefits do I have as a black man in this white supremacist dominated world? Go ahead and list my privileges
 

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Black Women and Black Gays continue to let their White counterparts use their plights and problems to push their own agenda. Then turn their backs on them over and over again. When the numbers came out about how many white women voted for Trump, they should've pulled out of all intersectional movements. That would have been the ultimate betrayal for me

i think this is the big problem with y'all...your ideas of black gays come solely from the internet...if you look at the black feminism on the internet and then look in real life, how many women are really on that compared to women that ain't really about that life??? most black gay dudes i know don't give a fukk about white gays like that...
 

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What benefits do I have as a black man in this white supremacist dominated world? Go ahead and list my privileges

Compared to your sisters, many.

Less susceptible to physical threats. (and lets not start the whole "nikkas get shot by nikkas" I mean a person to person physical altercation.)
You still make more money for the same gig.
You still are prolly hired before her for the same gig
You have more acceptable standards of appearance
You have more sexual freedom, you fukking many women is acceptable. The inverse is still not.
You have a exponentially lower chance of being raped, human trafficked, kidnapped or held captive.
You grew up with black male leaders to look up to, there were nowhere near as many lauded black women. (not saying they didn't exist)

thats just some....

But yes....you will probably be jailed or shot first. Doesn't take away the fact that there are more threats/inequities to your sisters than there are to you.
Explain male privilege to yourself in the same way that you explain white privilege to a white person.

Are the advantages I listed more readily observable when talking about white men?...yes.
Should you then feel upset about this? No, you didn't choose to be born a dude. Ain't no one saying you have to become some spineless, wet noodle of a negro, but not understanding that your place in the world is a bit more fluid and malleable than your sisters is important to moving forward.

You CANNOT say you are down for black people if your are not down to listen to the issues of black women. Period.
 

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You still make more money for the same gig.
You still are prolly hired before her for the same gig.

As I understand it, the black community is the only group whose women outpace the men in terms of employment.

You have more acceptable standards of appearance

This part is true & plays into self worth...which can lead to terrible decisions...especially with relationships.

You have more sexual freedom, you fukking many women is acceptable. The inverse is still not.

This is not a real benefit.

You have a exponentially lower chance of being raped, human trafficked, kidnapped or held captive.

You are restating your 1st argument

You grew up with black male leaders to look up to, there were nowhere near as many lauded black women. (not saying they didn't exist).

Not true & especially now. Leaders don't have to be famous for them to be leaders.

I DO believe that women & children should be protected by men. However, I think it's so dangerous to get into a struggle war. This practice diminishes one sex's experiences to garner greater resources for their own. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a focus, but this rhetoric is the opposite of collective building IMO.

Both black men & black women do this, btw.
 

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This is what I be talking about.

What exactly do you want straight black men to DO about their liberation? Especially when so many of them go way out their way to not threatening white supremacy.
:patrice:

How the fukk do you know?

Being gay isn't a political party, breh.
 

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As I understand it, the black community is the only group whose women outpace the men in terms of employment.



This part is true & plays into self worth...which can lead to terrible decisions...especially with relationships.



This is not a real benefit.



You are restating your 1st argument



Not true & especially now. Leaders don't have to be famous for them to be leaders.

I DO believe that women & children should be protected by men. However, I think it's so dangerous to get into a struggle war. This practice diminishes one sex's experiences to garner greater resources for their own. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a focus, but this rhetoric is the opposite of collective building IMO.

Both black men & black women do this, btw.

1. Outpace but have not equaled or overtaken. Steps in the right direction for sure.
2. Right and self worth is vital to the collective worth of a PEOPLE.
3. Sexual freedom is for sure a benefit. We as brothers have the advantage of being solely sexual beings if we feel like it. We are encouraged even to have periods in our maturation of sexual conquest. Even better if you are honest and can do it guilt free. Our society doesn't allow that for women and demonizes them for the same behaviors men exhibit. Just a terrible double standard that gives women moments of pause where there really should be none.
4. Not quite, but I'll give you that...it is a bit redundant.
5. They don't but it helps. Seeing someone who looks like you, speaks like you, and says things about your experience are powerful tools for collective worth.
 

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Black men see benefits of patriarchy BUT NOWHERE near as much as other men..why...BECAUSE RACISM.
This is a lie and you know it, which is why you didn't list any socalled benefits that black men get from white patriarchy. Black men are actually the #1 threat to and target of white patriarchy.

Patriarchy isn't real and yet half of the TLR on this very board is topics littered with woman hating, neck beard, drivel.
I never said that patriarchy isn't real, I said that there is no universal sexism that benefits all men over all women. We live in a white patriarchal society and black men do not benefit in any kind of way from living in a white patriarchal society. You're lying.

Patriarchy doesn't equate to hatred of women either dummy.


Your inability to see the shades of grey is the reason you smart dumb nikkas will never get taken seriously. Move on breh and let someone with some sense engage the discussion.

The hate ya'll have for women makes me feel like ya'll got something to fear from them. :sas2:
Except you're clearly a fukkng idiot and even black women are starting to see through the bullshyt that black liberals like you shovel. Hou don't even have an argument, just deflections, red herrings, and ad hominems. "You all hate women so much". That's literally all you liberals can do, deflect deflect deflect. If you had a valid argument you'd just let that stand on its own. One doesn't have to hate women to not go along with the bullshyt.
 
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