The Illmatic Rule (OH SHYT it's SirBiatch!)
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i agree with most, but i dont agree with the rule you were talkin about with 9 classic classic songs is the benchmark.
if you got a 30 track album with 9 A1 cuts and 21 filler joints, thats not a classic, it coulda been, but itd miss the mark. unless those 9 like, changed the world.
its a matter of ratios
but overall, yeah, if i can bump your shyt for years, or bump it after years of not hearing it, and its still dope and fresh sounding, its a classic
good thread
if you got a 30 track album with 9 A1 cuts and 21 filler joints, thats not a classic, it coulda been, but itd miss the mark. unless those 9 like, changed the world.
its a matter of ratios
but overall, yeah, if i can bump your shyt for years, or bump it after years of not hearing it, and its still dope and fresh sounding, its a classic
good thread
JodyHiighroller
Superstar
Mobb got no classics
Mobb got no classics
is caccinfms stinking up this thread? These full-time weirdos. Don't even bother with dude - he doesn't care about Mobb Deep's music. He's just a pretend-stanley for daps 
But lettuce not fukk around: Mobb Deep's first two albums are classics and hold up to the Illmatic rule
Juvenile Hell wasn't released in Saudi Arabia?
JodyHiighroller
Superstar
Yeah it’s that cac @mobbinfms . You know eggsactly who it is. He always running to your threads.
But lettuce not fukk around: Mobb Deep's first two albums are classics and hold up to the Illmatic rule
FRIED MASON
Superstar
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Cohesion.
Making a cohesive project is underated.
Eh. Shouldn't your criteria scale for double albums? I mean, you're saying an album with 30 tracks is classic even if 20 are trash and 10 are dope/replayable. That means two thirds of the album is bad yet you're not only calling it a good album, you're calling it classic? What sense does that make on any level?
Overall the replayability argument is interesting though. I'll add it to my list of criteria for a classic. But I see it moreso as a sliding scaling. Some albums might have more of one criteria than another, but the total end tally must reach a certain level for me to consider it classic.
-Quality of music (nearly perfect to perfect tracklist)
There has to be a differentiation between an album that is good or great, and an album that is classic. One of the biggest problems today is that a really good album comes out and people automatically want to hail it a classic. That shouldn't be how this works. If you're album has a few middling or downright bad tracks, it's probably not classic.
-Impact on hip hop or music in general
Classic jazz albums are largely based around this. How did your album influence the genre, or music? This doesn't have to involve sales or success btw. Illmatic didn't sell well initially but it's impact is undeniable. Likewise there are underground albums that spawned entire subgenres or movements without selling much, such as Operation Doomsday.
-Replayability/standing test of time
Did your album simply spur a fad, or does it still have long lasting impact? Can I play it 5, 10, 15, 20 years after release?
-Critical acclaim
Perhaps on the lower side of my scale but still noteworthy to mention. How was your album received? Was it instantly hailed amazing/classic, or did it receive mixed reviews initially but slowly garner more attention as time passed and the trend of music became clear? Think about movies for a second. When It's A Wonderful Life came out it was trashed by many critics, it bombed in the theater, some people called it pro-communism or socialism. Yet for the last few decades it's been considered an undeniable classic film. Times change, as does our perspective and appreciation of art.
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You can scale things how you want but I feel like this is one of the most fair ways to do it, and helps include albums you might not like that had impact on the genre. I wasn't a fan of 808s And Heartbreaks but it's influence on modern urban music is dominant. Likewise there are Three Six Mafia albums I might call meh or ok that had dominant influence over how rap music sounds today.
Cohesion.
Making a cohesive project is underated.
Right. and the reality is that middling = terrible. that's what this new era misses. They're so scared to call something terrible so they just make up shyt like 'it's cohesive' or find some narrative to fit the album, but the album is truly unlistenable.
A project where every song comes and goes is the definition of a garbage project. Doesn't matter how you dress it up.
Terrance Curtis Beasley
These ni*gas claim Top 5 but we OVOK
Fix your face nikka
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Most of y'all nikkas are brainwashed about what classics are and only echoing what east coast media told you. It's amazing how east coast flops are grouped with blockbuster albums like doggystyle .Wa$$up said:
Y'all nikkas confused
Metal Face
Veteran
You got bushed over this last time.
You really gotta shyt on a legendary deceased rapper who hasn't even been dead for 6 months?
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Good discussion 
Salute for stepping your posting game up 
and also salute for being one of the few black posters on a board filled with CAC opinions
and also salute for being one of the few black posters on a board filled with CAC opinions