The Issue is Not Trump. It is Us

[Pressure]

And apparently you don't know how surveying works or how easy it is to skew results. but yes...the results ARE legit. So...accept the fact that Trump is the new president, and give up on this BS popular crap.

Which is why he, like every other president is subject to approval ratings. To determine if people feel like he's doing a good job or not.

The only reason we are talking about the popular vote is because you said we shouldn't trust polls because they didn't poll a significant enough sample size and are skewed. This led to another poster referring you to the Popular vote of the election being non-biased.

you guys still putting stock in polls, survey's and other shyt?

you should know(by now) that they really aren't worth shyt. You really think they polled 350 million ppl? who got polled?


no, they take a sample of the population which is most likely biased.

Then you falsely claimed that the data taken from the election can only be used to determine who wins the presidency. You also threw in a strawman suggesting posters are saying the election is about the popular vote. When we are actually saying the popular vote from the election can be used to determine popularity. Why popularity? Because prior i said that approval ratings are merely a popularity contest.

lol, yes, and the election was to determine who won the most votes in the electoral college. you can cry all you want about popular vote this and that, but the election has never been about the popular vote so those numbers are the equivalent to jack shyt....

So he we are. Riding your logic train to parts unknown. When all you had to say is, yes, Clinton was more Popular than Trump or Less voting Americans were impressed by Trump.

Neither of those statements invalidate the election results. But for some reason you and Trump can't figure out a way to understand this very remedial concept.

 

[Mook]

Approval rating doesn't say who will vote for you though.
Trump won places Obama previously won, something about Clinton (essentially a continuation of the Obama/Bush/Clinton agenda) says those people were rejecting a continuation of the status quo.

I agree with you. Black people of the coli tend to always rationalize things too easily to racism. Nothing in the primary matters, the base is racist.

He flipped the rust belt though. Those white dudes are hurting. He said too many things that will have anyone think about voting him.

1. Said he's not establishment.
2. Said he's an outsider.
3. Tarrifs
4. Said he bought Clinton. Which he fukking did.
5. Said he's gonna get the old establishment out, essentially saying he was anti corruption.
6. Said he's bringing jobs back.

Clinton said
1. I'm a woman
2. I'm not Trump.
3. I'm gonna continue doing what Obama did.

Why would a white person struggling like a motherfukker want to vote for someone who said we're gonna do the same shyt vs "I've run a business I know how to make jobs" ?

 

[Pressure]

I'm not a conservative either. You have a functioning human brain, don't be so simple.

And the outcome of this last election demonstrates pretty fukking well why liberals should step outside their ideological bubbles.

Some stupid fukk on here literally said "we don't need Congress or gubernatorial seats... we have the highest office in the land "

How's that milkshake taste now Mase?

Why would I be offended? Or worried? I live in a more liberal leaning city in a progressive part of town. I have a good job. I'll be fine. Those who voted against their self interest will hopefully wake up and try something different next election. These things are pretty cyclical. Bush. 8 years of Clinton. 8 Years of Bush. 8 Years of Obama. It happens. The senate is pretty close and could swing more liberal in 2 years?

Liberals seemed to miss a connection with the middle class and lost votes. But that's largely because liberals failed to explain to the middle class voters how their policies help them. Not that the policies of liberals are bad.

Neither platform has moved very far from it's pillars. This is why hard leaning left and right people don't usually jump across the aisle.

The main complaint conservatives have had recently (ACA) was so poor because of the same republicans you voted to repeal and replace it. Good luck on that.

Also.

 

[Pressure]

Why would a white person struggling like a motherfukker want to vote for someone who said we're gonna do the same shyt vs "I've run a business I know how to make jobs" ?

You made an entire post disregarding race then at the end referenced race. Which is it? Also, don't oversimplify one platform and overstate the other when attempting to frame an objective argument.

 

[ghostwriterx]

it really isn't absurd. Trump won by playing to the rules of the game. if the game was to see who got the most votes overall then the strategy would have been different. Perhaps he wouldn't have spent so much time in the less populous states and more in populated states.

Thats why shyt like this is ridiculous, you play by the rules that are in play. you can't just change the rules after the game has been played and make them work toward the result that happened. This totally dismisses strategies and moves that were in play before.

Bruh you're being intentionally dense. We're talking about popularity. Using the results of the electoral college to suggest that Trump was more popular than Hillary is absurd.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Which is why he, like every other president is subject to approval ratings. To determine if people feel like he's doing a good job or not.

The only reason we are talking about the popular vote is because you said we shouldn't trust polls because they didn't poll a significant enough sample size and are skewed. This led to another poster referring you to the Popular vote of the election being non-biased.

No, I said I don't trust polls if the how and who of the polled isn't shown....

Then you falsely claimed that the data taken from the election can only be used to determine who wins the presidency. You also threw in a strawman suggesting posters are saying the election is about the popular vote. When we are actually saying the popular vote from the election can be used to determine popularity. Why popularity? Because prior i said that approval ratings are merely a popularity contest.

Bruh....what the fukk are you even talking about???


So he we are. Riding your logic train to parts unknown. When all you had to say is, yes, Clinton was more Popular than Trump or Less voting Americans were impressed by Trump.

Neither of those statements invalidate the election results. But for some reason you and Trump can't figure out a way to understand this very remedial concept.

Do I need to use crayons for you??

Clinton's strategy was to campaign in the heavily populated cities.
Trumps strategy was to campaign in less populated areas, but MORE of them.

so clinton won over the populated areas. Trump won more areas. because the strategy is to win more areas. not to win more people.

if the rules were different, then strategies would have been different. PERHAPS, just maybe, if Trump changed his strategy and campaigned in the major cities, he could have won more votes, hence he could have gained more of the 'popular' vote. he didn't he played the game the way the rules are laid out.

does that make sense to you?? is that easy enough to follow?? cuz there is more...


So based on the rules of the game(win the electoral college) Trump was more popular where he FOCUSED, and Clinton was more popular where she focused. I just don't see why that is so hard for you to understand.

That comes back to polls. WHERE you poll ppl is going to make a huge impact on the results.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Bruh you're being intentionally dense. We're talking about popularity. Using the results of the electoral college to suggest that Trump was more popular than Hillary is absurd.

what's absurd is thinking that the same strategies to win the electoral college would be the same to win the popular vote....

two different sets of rules. you play by the rules you have. you make your strategy based on those rules.



you clowns keep coming back with "b-b-b-but popular vote!!" like that shyt means fukk all.


It's like telling Belichik that FG's were worth 7 and td's were worth 3 after the game is over and changing the score...

what kind of fukkery is that?

 

[the cac mamba]

I've complained about the electoral college for years. It's arbitrary, outdated and non-nonsensical, but that's irrelevant to the point. Hillary Clinton won 3 million more votes, any suggestion that she was less popular than Trump is absurd as is using the electoral college is support of that idea.

so you agree that the democratic primary should also be popular vote, correct? because i dont see whillary or any of these whiny liberals crying about the fact that they themselves use superdelegates

 

[ghostwriterx]

what's absurd is thinking that the same strategies to win the electoral college would be the same to win the popular vote....

two different sets of rules. you play by the rules you have. you make your strategy based on those rules.



you clowns keep coming back with "b-b-b-but popular vote!!" like that shyt means fukk all.


It's like telling Belichik that FG's were worth 7 and td's were worth 3 after the game is over and changing the score...

what kind of fukkery is that?

Yes, because only Trump would've played by a different set of rules. Clearly Trump had a top secret and brilliant plan to win California and NY over Hillary in an election where the popular vote is all that matters. You really can't be this stupid.

 

[ghostwriterx]

so you agree that the democratic primary should also be popular vote, correct? because i dont see whillary or any of these whiny liberals crying about the fact that they themselves use superdelegates

Hillary won the popular vote in the Primary by 4 million. It was about even when she lost to Obama, superdelegates put him over.I'm actually indifferent on the matter, but wouldn't be against letting the popular vote decide.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Why would I be offended? Or worried? I live in a more liberal leaning city in a progressive part of town. I have a good job. I'll be fine. Those who voted against their self interest will hopefully wake up and try something different next election. These things are pretty cyclical. Bush. 8 years of Clinton. 8 Years of Bush. 8 Years of Obama. It happens. The senate is pretty close and could swing more liberal in 2 years?

Liberals seemed to miss a connection with the middle class and lost votes. But that's largely because liberals failed to explain to the middle class voters how their policies help them. Not that the policies of liberals are bad.

Neither platform has moved very far from it's pillars. This is why hard leaning left and right people don't usually jump across the aisle.

The main complaint conservatives have had recently (ACA) was so poor because of the same republicans you voted to repeal and replace it. Good luck on that.

Also.

I voted for Hillary you big dummy.

This is why all the mainstream candidates failed. You think everything is either or, when in reality most people aren't conservative OR liberal.

Hillary lost because Hillary is terrible. Dems managed to field the one candidate worse than Trump. Everything else.... racial resentment, "people voting against their own interests", and all your other cue card nonsense is irrelevant.

Speaking of people voting against their own interests, I'm not sure why you think poor people voting for Hillary is such, when she vowed to extend Obama's presidency, which excluded the poor and middle class from the recovery. I'm not saying Trump would do any better (which is part of why I didn't vote for him), but Hillary proudly promised not to do any better. You motherfukkers put gay marriage ahead of working class economics and still don't get why you lost

 

[the cac mamba]

Hillary won the popular vote in the Primary by 4 million. It was about even when she lost to Obama, superdelegates put him over.I'm actually indifferent on the matter, but wouldn't be against letting the popular vote decide.

well that makes two of us the primaries, and the presidential election, should be decided by popular vote

the electoral systems are in place to make sure certain people can maintain control and get what they want theres no controlling and manipulating a national popular vote

 

[Pressure]

I voted for Hillary you big dummy.

This is why all the mainstream candidates failed. You think everything is either or, when in reality most people aren't conservative OR liberal.

Hillary lost because Hillary is terrible. Dems managed to field the one candidate worse than Trump. Everything else.... racial resentment, "people voting against their own interests", and all your other cue card nonsense is irrelevant.

Speaking of people voting against their own interests, I'm not sure why you think poor people voting for Hillary is such, when she vowed to extend Obama's presidency, which excluded the poor and middle class from the recovery. I'm not saying Trump would do any better (which is part of why I didn't vote for him), but Hillary proudly promised not to do any better. You motherfukkers put gay marriage ahead of working class economics and still don't get why you lost

Education reform. Debt free college. Attempting to fix a lot of the failures in Obamacare. She actually has a plan for Syria. You're saying she's a terrible candidate but you're not actually talking about her policies. Obama added expansions to community colleges that directly helps the poor and middle class as well as workers needing different skills for a changing job market. Once again, the issue wasn't her platform, it's that she failed to express it.

Trumps platform was largely Ra Ra. He set expectations pretty low and said Trust me. If Hillary Clinton weren't a woman, she'd probably have won. Because if there's anything people hate more than a black leader, it's a woman leader.

 

[the cac mamba]

Education reform. Debt free college. Attempting to fix a lot of the failures in Obamacare. She actually has a plan for Syria. You're saying she's a terrible candidate but you're not actually talking about her policies. Obama added expansions to community colleges that directly helps the poor and middle class as well as workers needing different skills for a changing job market. Once again, the issue wasn't her platform, it's that she failed to express it.

Trumps platform was largely Ra Ra. He set expectations pretty low and said Trust me. If Hillary Clinton weren't a woman, she'd probably have won. Because if there's anything people hate more than a black leader, it's a woman leader.

if hillary wasnt a woman, she would have been laughed out of the race

her record is absolute mediocrity, and she was under fukkin FBI investigation who the fukk would have ran her if she was a 60 year old white man? theres no shortage of those in washington with that record

 

[Pressure]

if hillary wasnt a woman, she would have been laughed out of the race

her record is absolute mediocrity, and she was under fukkin FBI investigation who the fukk would have ran her if she was a 60 year old white man? theres no shortage of those in washington with that record

Trump was also under investigation. Still has legal cases pending. Has no experience. What's your point?