The Issue is Not Trump. It is Us

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if hillary wasnt a woman, she would have been laughed out of the race :what:

her record is absolute mediocrity, and she was under fukkin FBI investigation :what: who the fukk would have ran her if she was a 60 year old white man? theres no shortage of those in washington with that record :laff:

Bill Clinton would've won, even with an investigation. Could've dropped a sex tape on worldstar during the campaign and still racked up 350+ against Trump.:steviej:

Granted Bill is a lot more personable than his wife.:ld:
 

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I voted for Hillary you big dummy.

This is why all the mainstream candidates failed. You think everything is either or, when in reality most people aren't conservative OR liberal.

Hillary lost because Hillary is terrible. Dems managed to field the one candidate worse than Trump. Everything else.... racial resentment, "people voting against their own interests", and all your other cue card nonsense is irrelevant.

Speaking of people voting against their own interests, I'm not sure why you think poor people voting for Hillary is such, when she vowed to extend Obama's presidency, which excluded the poor and middle class from the recovery. I'm not saying Trump would do any better (which is part of why I didn't vote for him), but Hillary proudly promised not to do any better. You motherfukkers put gay marriage ahead of working class economics and still don't get why you lost :mindblown:

Republicans have controlled Congress for the last 6 years, along with a majority of state legislatures and governorships... how was Hillary going to change that? Why do these poor working class white folk who hate identity politics keep voting for Republicans who have done nada for them?:lupe:
 

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Education reform. Debt free college. Attempting to fix a lot of the failures in Obamacare.
Education stuff is irrelevant to people who weren't already voting for Hillary in the first place, and I don't recall her offering any strong criticisms or fixes for ACA.

She actually has a plan for Syria. You're saying she's a terrible candidate but you're not actually talking about her policies. Obama added expansions to community colleges that directly helps the poor and middle class as well as workers needing different skills for a changing job market. Once again, the issue wasn't her platform, it's that she failed to express it.
What plan for Syria? Continue and escalate our proxy war with Russia? And what does Obama have to do with Hillary? Unless you are in agreement that her presidency would just be an extension of his.... which would legitimize people who have suffered through his presidency to NOT want to continue it?

Trumps platform was largely Ra Ra. He set expectations pretty low and said Trust me. If Hillary Clinton weren't a woman, she'd probably have won. Because if there's anything people hate more than a black leader, it's a woman leader.
Bruv Im not endorsing Trump's platform. I didn't even vote for him. But you have to be an idiot to think the only reason people hate Hillary and Obama are their gender/race. SC/LA are as red states as any and they have had brown + female governors.
 

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Why do these poor working class white folk who hate identity politics keep voting for Republicans who have done nada for them?:lupe:
2 reasons

1, Republicans have stepped their ground game up tremendously over the last ~10-20 yrs.... they take every race down to the alderman seriously

2, probably many of the same reasons blacks and pink haired college students keep voting for Democrats who have done nada for them :francis:

The only reason anyone supports either side proudly is meaningless rhetoric. Black people have been in perpetual decline under Democratic rule but refuse to change course or even demand anything from our elected officials.
 

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:childplease: trump was a government employee under investigation by the fbi? :camby: awful comparison

americans went with 'no experience might be better than bad experience', i'll give you that
We can only judge someone on the experience they have. His platform is I'm a good businessman therefore I will be a good president. If those business have included fraud, discrimination, bribery, a fake charity, etc. then why should we not expect those tenants of his business leadership to carry over into his presidency. These are his own words. You can't only have it when it's good, but ignore it.

Clinton was investigated and not charged, meaning at most she's lucky, more likely she's plays on the fringes, and at best she's just the victim of a witch hunt. Either way, how are you still saying someone is criminal when they've been thoroughly investigated without anything criminal coming from it. The cases closed. Ya'll really need to move on. But I get it. Your entire platform is, i voted for him because I like shytting on her. You don't talk about what you expect from Trump because you don't really have an overall view other than "ITS GONNA BE DIFFERENT." Sure, it may be different, but different doesn't necessarily mean good. Stop overstating the merits of your position.

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2 reasons

1, Republicans have stepped their ground game up tremendously over the last ~10-20 yrs.... they take every race down to the alderman seriously

2, probably many of the same reasons blacks and pink haired college students keep voting for Democrats who have done nada for them :francis:

The only reason anyone supports either side proudly is meaningless rhetoric. Black people have been in perpetual decline under Democratic rule but refuse to change course or even demand anything from our elected officials.

Because of gerrymandering.
 

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We can only judge someone on the experience they have. His platform is I'm a good businessman therefore I will be a good president. If those business have included fraud, discrimination, bribery, a fake charity, etc. then why should we not expect those tenants of his business leadership to carry over into his presidency. These are his own words. You can't only have it when it's good, but ignore it.

Clinton was investigated and not charged, meaning at most she's lucky, more likely she's plays on the fringes, and at best she's just the victim of a witch hunt. Either way, how are you still saying someone is criminal when they've been thoroughly investigated without anything criminal coming from it. The cases closed. Ya'll really need to move on. But I get it. Your entire platform is, i voted for him because I like shytting on her. You don't talk about what you expect from Trump because you don't really have an overall view other than "ITS GONNA BE DIFFERENT." Sure, it may be different, but different doesn't necessarily mean good. Stop overstating the merits of your position.

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i never would have voted for trump :mjlol:

ive said it before, and ill say it again. the minute bernie announced he was out, i stopped caring who won :yeshrug: i dont see trump and hillary as different enough for me to care who won
 

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i never would have voted for trump :mjlol:

ive said it before, and ill say it again. the minute bernie announced he was out, i stopped caring who won :yeshrug: i dont see trump and hillary as different enough for me to care who won
Then stop caping for him all the time. I find it strange you overlook his faults, but go crazy about any of Hillary's false or otherwise.

You don't have to be objective, but you come off as a Trump sympathizer. But like I said, white men seem to have more contention towards white women leaders.
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Then stop caping for him all the time. I find it strange you overlook his faults, but go crazy about any of Hillary's false or otherwise.

You don't have to be objective, but you come off as a Trump sympathizer. But like I said, white men seem to have more contention towards white women leaders.
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you say stop caping, i say come with better grievances :manny:

some of what hes said is horrible, some of it is fake outrage. he hasnt "done" anything yet, he isnt the president. he could still have to drop out tomorrow :pachaha:
 

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you say stop caping, i say come with better grievances :manny:

some of what hes said is horrible, some of it is fake outrage. he hasnt "done" anything yet, he isnt the president. he could still have to drop out tomorrow :pachaha:
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Yes, because only Trump would've played by a different set of rules. Clearly Trump had a top secret and brilliant plan to win California and NY over Hillary:pachaha: in an election where the popular vote is all that matters. You really can't be this stupid. :snoop:
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What?


Hillary campaigned like she was going for the popular vote. She didn't even bother going to certain cities and states that were important. Great strategy.

Trumps plan was obviously good enough to get the win, so miss me with the smilies and appreciate trump for the next 4 years while you hang up your 'popular vote' championship banner on the rafters
 

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What?


Hillary campaigned like she was going for the popular vote. She didn't even bother going to certain cities and states that were important. Great strategy.
Um, ignoring her firewall was stupid and arrogant, we're in agreement on that, but it certainly wasn't a "popular vote" strategy. My point is no amount of campaigning would have enabled Trump to make up for his deficit in the most populous states, specifically NY,CA. He got smoked there and Hillary didn't campaign there. There was no popular vote path to victory for Trump.

Trumps plan was obviously good enough to get the win, so miss me with the smilies and appreciate trump for the next 4 years while you hang up your 'popular vote' championship banner on the rafters
You sound mad and unable to discern rather simple points. Actually pretty Trump like.:ehh:
 

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2 reasons

1, Republicans have stepped their ground game up tremendously over the last ~10-20 yrs.... they take every race down to the alderman seriously
good point
2, probably many of the same reasons blacks and pink haired college students keep voting for Democrats who have done nada for them :francis:

The only reason anyone supports either side proudly is meaningless rhetoric. Black people have been in perpetual decline under Democratic rule but refuse to change course or even demand anything from our elected officials.

Hmm, that's pretty vague. Where/when exactly has this "democratic rule" existed? Also you seem to be ignoring that over the last decade Republicans have made it a point to:
1. Systemically prevent black/brown people voting and/or minimize the impact when they do vote.
2. Ignore or reject any race based solutions to systemic inequities.
 

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Um, ignoring her firewall was stupid and arrogant, we're in agreement on that, but it certainly wasn't a "popular vote" strategy. My point is no amount of campaigning would have enabled Trump to make up for his deficit in the most populous states, specifically NY,CA. He got smoked there and Hillary didn't campaign there. There was no popular vote path to victory for Trump.


You sound mad and unable to discern rather simple points. Actually pretty Trump like.:ehh:
Mad about what? Your projections don't make sense
 
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