The "Kobe was a sidekick" argument needs to stop

[filial_piety]

Let's make this simple.

2000
Game 1
Shaq: 43 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists, 21-for-31 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 2-for-2 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 24 rebounds, 4 assists, 11-for-18 shooting, 18-for-39 free throws
Kobe: 2 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1-for-3 shooting, no free throws. Kobe got injured and only played 9 minutes in this game. Lakers still won.

Game 3
Shaq: 33 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 15-for-24 shooting, 3-for-13 free throws
Kobe: DNP due to ankle injury. Lakers lost this game after winning the first 2

Game 4
Shaq: 36 points, 21 rebounds, 1 assist, 13-for-25 shooting, 10-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 14-for-27 shooting, no free throws. Overtime heroics to win the game for LA after Shaq fouled out.

Game 5
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 17-for-27 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 4-for-20 shooting, no free throws

Game 6
Shaq: 41 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 19-for-32 shooting, 3-for-12 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 8-for-27 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 38 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 61% shooting, 37% free throws
Kobe: 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws
Kobe excluding Game 2: 19ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws

2000 Verdict: Clear-cut Sidekick

2001
Game 1
Shaq: 44 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists, 17-for-28 shooting, 10-for-22 free throws
Kobe: 15 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 7-for-22 shooting, 1-for-1 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 4-for-10 free throws
Kobe: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 11-for-23 shooting, 8-for-8 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws
Kobe: 32 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 13-for-30 shooting, 6-for-6 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 13-for-25 shooting, 8-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 7-for-12 free throws

Game 5
Shaq: 29 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 10-for-18 shooting, 9-for-19 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 7-for-18 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 33 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 57% shooting, 51% free throws
Kobe: 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg, 42% shooting, 84% free throws

2001 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

2002
Game 1
Shaq: 36 points, 16 rebounds, 1 assist, 12-for-22 shooting, 12-for-21 free throws
Kobe: 22 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 6-for-16 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 12-for-14 free throws
Kobe: 24 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 9-for-15 shooting, 3-for-4 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 11-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 36 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 7-for-10 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 12-for-20 shooting, 10-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 25 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 7-for-16 shooting, 9-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 60% shooting, 66% free throws
Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 51% shooting, 81% free throws

2002 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

So in summary, Kobe got better in the Finals each year of the 3-peat, but did not once approach Shaq's level. In their last successful Finals together, Shaq averaged almost 10 points a game more than Kobe, despite Kobe having a GREAT Finals, and shooting only 3.5 shots less per game than him.

Shaq was incredible and any star would have killed to play with him. Part of the hate for Kobe in that phase of his career was that he had such a golden opportunity and didn't appreciate it at all. If Shaq stayed in LA he would not have had to wait until 2009 to get back to the Finals with Gasol/Bynum/Odom. The Lakers could have kept making Finals runs for the rest of the 2000's had they stayed together.

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[Box Factory]

Dog, there was a game against the sixers in the 01 finals where he had 28 pts, 20 rebs, 9 assts, & 8 blks

He did this against the reigning DPOY and one of the better defensive big men of all time in Mutombo too. Shaq doesn't get enough credit for what he did in that finals. It's one of the all time great performances over a series.

 

[Teko]

Those are some 2k MyPlayer type numbers

If Diesel could make his freethrows, he'd have a crazy high ppg. Thing like reporting to training camp out of shape and injuries robbed him of a GOAT resume

 

[Teko]

Let's make this simple.

2000
Game 1
Shaq: 43 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists, 21-for-31 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 2-for-2 free throws
Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 24 rebounds, 4 assists, 11-for-18 shooting, 18-for-39 free throws
Kobe: 2 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1-for-3 shooting, no free throws. Kobe got injured and only played 9 minutes in this game. Lakers still won.

Game 3
Shaq: 33 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 15-for-24 shooting, 3-for-13 free throws
Kobe: DNP due to ankle injury. Lakers lost this game after winning the first 2

Game 4
Shaq: 36 points, 21 rebounds, 1 assist, 13-for-25 shooting, 10-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 14-for-27 shooting, no free throws. Overtime heroics to win the game for LA after Shaq fouled out.

Game 5
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 17-for-27 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 4-for-20 shooting, no free throws

Game 6
Shaq: 41 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 19-for-32 shooting, 3-for-12 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 8-for-27 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 38 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 61% shooting, 37% free throws
Kobe: 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws
Kobe excluding Game 2: 19ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws

2000 Verdict: Clear-cut Sidekick

2001
Game 1
Shaq: 44 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists, 17-for-28 shooting, 10-for-22 free throws
Kobe: 15 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 7-for-22 shooting, 1-for-1 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 4-for-10 free throws
Kobe: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 11-for-23 shooting, 8-for-8 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws
Kobe: 32 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 13-for-30 shooting, 6-for-6 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 13-for-25 shooting, 8-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 7-for-12 free throws

Game 5
Shaq: 29 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 10-for-18 shooting, 9-for-19 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 7-for-18 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 33 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 57% shooting, 51% free throws
Kobe: 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg, 42% shooting, 84% free throws

2001 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

2002
Game 1
Shaq: 36 points, 16 rebounds, 1 assist, 12-for-22 shooting, 12-for-21 free throws
Kobe: 22 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 6-for-16 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 12-for-14 free throws
Kobe: 24 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 9-for-15 shooting, 3-for-4 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 11-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 36 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 7-for-10 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 12-for-20 shooting, 10-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 25 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 7-for-16 shooting, 9-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 60% shooting, 66% free throws
Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 51% shooting, 81% free throws

2002 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

So in summary, Kobe got better in the Finals each year of the 3-peat, but did not once approach Shaq's level. In their last successful Finals together, Shaq averaged almost 10 points a game more than Kobe, despite Kobe having a GREAT Finals, and shooting only 3.5 shots less per game than him.

Shaq was incredible and any star would have killed to play with him. Part of the hate for Kobe in that phase of his career was that he had such a golden opportunity and didn't appreciate it at all. If Shaq stayed in LA he would not have had to wait until 2009 to get back to the Finals with Gasol/Bynum/Odom. The Lakers could have kept making Finals runs for the rest of the 2000's had they stayed together.

Yep. This is pretty much it. Even Kobe's FG% was pretty much a function of having the defense think twice about doubling Diesel.

 

[Dirty D]

He did this against the reigning DPOY and one of the better defensive big men of all time in Mutombo too. Shaq doesn't get enough credit for what he did in that finals. It's one of the all time great performances over a series.

He mauled their defense. When they tried to swarm him he had 9 assists. They would re-post 3 times in one possession to deal with the double-teams and his passing was masterful. Late in the series AI sat at the podium shaking his head telling the media "they got Shaq, man" and there was nothing else he could say. To try and say Kobe was an equal in these series' is a joke, the facts speak for themselves.

 

[KingMalik]

Let's make this simple.

2000
Game 1
Shaq: 43 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists, 21-for-31 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 2-for-2 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 24 rebounds, 4 assists, 11-for-18 shooting, 18-for-39 free throws
Kobe: 2 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1-for-3 shooting, no free throws. Kobe got injured and only played 9 minutes in this game. Lakers still won.

Game 3
Shaq: 33 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 15-for-24 shooting, 3-for-13 free throws
Kobe: DNP due to ankle injury. Lakers lost this game after winning the first 2

Game 4
Shaq: 36 points, 21 rebounds, 1 assist, 13-for-25 shooting, 10-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 14-for-27 shooting, no free throws. Overtime heroics to win the game for LA after Shaq fouled out.

Game 5
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 17-for-27 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 4-for-20 shooting, no free throws

Game 6
Shaq: 41 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 19-for-32 shooting, 3-for-12 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 8-for-27 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 38 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 61% shooting, 37% free throws
Kobe: 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws
Kobe excluding Game 2: 19ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws

2000 Verdict: Clear-cut Sidekick

2001
Game 1
Shaq: 44 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists, 17-for-28 shooting, 10-for-22 free throws
Kobe: 15 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 7-for-22 shooting, 1-for-1 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 4-for-10 free throws
Kobe: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 11-for-23 shooting, 8-for-8 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws
Kobe: 32 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 13-for-30 shooting, 6-for-6 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 13-for-25 shooting, 8-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 7-for-12 free throws

Game 5
Shaq: 29 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 10-for-18 shooting, 9-for-19 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 7-for-18 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 33 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 57% shooting, 51% free throws
Kobe: 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg, 42% shooting, 84% free throws

2001 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

2002
Game 1
Shaq: 36 points, 16 rebounds, 1 assist, 12-for-22 shooting, 12-for-21 free throws
Kobe: 22 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 6-for-16 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 12-for-14 free throws
Kobe: 24 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 9-for-15 shooting, 3-for-4 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 11-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 36 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 7-for-10 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 12-for-20 shooting, 10-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 25 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 7-for-16 shooting, 9-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 60% shooting, 66% free throws
Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 51% shooting, 81% free throws

2002 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

So in summary, Kobe got better in the Finals each year of the 3-peat, but did not once approach Shaq's level. In their last successful Finals together, Shaq averaged almost 10 points a game more than Kobe, despite Kobe having a GREAT Finals, and shooting only 3.5 shots less per game than him.

Shaq was incredible and any star would have killed to play with him. Part of the hate for Kobe in that phase of his career was that he had such a golden opportunity and didn't appreciate it at all. If Shaq stayed in LA he would not have had to wait until 2009 to get back to the Finals with Gasol/Bynum/Odom. The Lakers could have kept making Finals runs for the rest of the 2000's had they stayed together.

Two questions....

Why didn't Shaq continue to dominate the league and win rings without Kobe?

And why didn't Shaq win with Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Let's make this simple.

2000
Game 1
Shaq: 43 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists, 21-for-31 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 2-for-2 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 24 rebounds, 4 assists, 11-for-18 shooting, 18-for-39 free throws
Kobe: 2 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1-for-3 shooting, no free throws. Kobe got injured and only played 9 minutes in this game. Lakers still won.

Game 3
Shaq: 33 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 15-for-24 shooting, 3-for-13 free throws
Kobe: DNP due to ankle injury. Lakers lost this game after winning the first 2

Game 4
Shaq: 36 points, 21 rebounds, 1 assist, 13-for-25 shooting, 10-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 14-for-27 shooting, no free throws. Overtime heroics to win the game for LA after Shaq fouled out.

Game 5
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 17-for-27 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 4-for-20 shooting, no free throws

Game 6
Shaq: 41 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 19-for-32 shooting, 3-for-12 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 8-for-27 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 38 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 61% shooting, 37% free throws
Kobe: 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws
Kobe excluding Game 2: 19ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws

2000 Verdict: Clear-cut Sidekick

2001
Game 1
Shaq: 44 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists, 17-for-28 shooting, 10-for-22 free throws
Kobe: 15 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 7-for-22 shooting, 1-for-1 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 4-for-10 free throws
Kobe: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 11-for-23 shooting, 8-for-8 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws
Kobe: 32 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 13-for-30 shooting, 6-for-6 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 13-for-25 shooting, 8-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 7-for-12 free throws

Game 5
Shaq: 29 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 10-for-18 shooting, 9-for-19 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 7-for-18 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 33 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 57% shooting, 51% free throws
Kobe: 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg, 42% shooting, 84% free throws

2001 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

2002
Game 1
Shaq: 36 points, 16 rebounds, 1 assist, 12-for-22 shooting, 12-for-21 free throws
Kobe: 22 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 6-for-16 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 12-for-14 free throws
Kobe: 24 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 9-for-15 shooting, 3-for-4 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 11-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 36 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 7-for-10 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 12-for-20 shooting, 10-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 25 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 7-for-16 shooting, 9-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 60% shooting, 66% free throws
Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 51% shooting, 81% free throws

2002 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

So in summary, Kobe got better in the Finals each year of the 3-peat, but did not once approach Shaq's level. In their last successful Finals together, Shaq averaged almost 10 points a game more than Kobe, despite Kobe having a GREAT Finals, and shooting only 3.5 shots less per game than him.

Shaq was incredible and any star would have killed to play with him. Part of the hate for Kobe in that phase of his career was that he had such a golden opportunity and didn't appreciate it at all. If Shaq stayed in LA he would not have had to wait until 2009 to get back to the Finals with Gasol/Bynum/Odom. The Lakers could have kept making Finals runs for the rest of the 2000's had they stayed together.

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He did this against the reigning DPOY and one of the better defensive big men of all time in Mutombo too. Shaq doesn't get enough credit for what he did in that finals. It's one of the all time great performances over a series.

This is what's referred to as ether of the highest dosage. The fact that there's a guy in this thread trying to argue still even after being presented these facts is beyond pathetic. I mean one of those finals Shaq shot a higher percentage from the foul line than Bryant did from the field and he didn't even hit 40% at the line

 

[Sccit]

Don't everyone consider Pippen a sidekick?

Jordan couldn't win until Pippen became a perennial All Star

Jordan has the Finals MVPs he gets the credit

Shaq got the Finals MVPs, yall want Kobe to give credit

Sorry but Kobe was a sidekick

KOBE IS IN A DIFFERENT ECHELON THAN PIPPEN, GENIUS

 

[the artist known az]

KOBE IS IN A DIFFERENT ECHELON THAN PIPPEN, GENIUS

Maybe scoring

Your hero wouldn't be shyt without Shaq

 

[Sccit]

Come on. Put Vince Carter, T-Mac, AI, Pierce, Murbury, Ray Allen or even in place of Kobe during that run and they still win 3 'ships.

Those teams were all about Shaq.

YEA IM PRETTY SURE RAY ALLEN WOULD BE SCORING 30 POINTS A GAME AND PUTTING TEAMS OUT IN THE 4TH WHILE SHAQ RIDES THE BENCH....SHAQ COULDNT DO IT WITH PENNY, EDDIE JONES, NICK VAN EXEL....YOUR ARGUMENT IS NULL AND VOID

 

[Dirty D]

Two questions....

Why didn't Shaq continue to dominate the league and win rings without Kobe?

And why didn't Shaq win with Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel?

He did for a little bit. 2005 he almost won the MVP in Miami (finished 2nd in voting, 58 first-place votes to Nash's 65), they lost in the ECF in 7 to Detroit cuz Wade got hurt and 2006 they won the title. He started falling off in the '06 playoffs, 13 years into his career, and it was a steep decline from there.

As for the EJ/Van Exel Lakers, they were a young team that played dumb when the pressure turned up in the playoffs against more veteran teams. They were also coached by a dumbazz named Del Harris. As soon as Phil showed up, Shaq started getting rings.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Maybe scoring

Your hero wouldn't be shyt without Shaq

Actually he'd be in Philadelphia status beefing with teammates and coaches until they get tired of him since there'd have been no rings to strengthen his arguing stance.

 

[Sccit]

Maybe scoring

Your hero wouldn't be shyt without Shaq

WON BACK TO BACK WIT PAU AS A SECOND FIDDLE...WHO DID UR HERO WIN WITH?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

He did for a little bit. 2005 he almost won the MVP in Miami (finished 2nd in voting, 58 first-place votes to Nash's 65), they lost in the ECF in 7 to Detroit cuz Wade got hurt and 2006 they won the title. He started falling off in the '06 playoffs, 13 years into his career, and it was a steep decline from there.

As for the EJ/Van Exel Lakers, they were a young team that played dumb when the pressure turned up in the playoffs against more veteran teams. They were also coached by a dumbazz named Del Harris. As soon as Phil showed up, Shaq started getting rings.

Kobe stans don't want to hear this though. According to them it was all Kobe and it had nothing to do with Phil or Shaq. You can't use any logical argument to shyt them up because their brain doesn't function logically. I mean this guy is still arguing after being shown how much more dominant he was than Bryant in the finals and can't see even in the slightest that his argument loses.

 

[the artist known az]

WON BACK TO BACK WIT PAU AS A SECOND FIDDLE...WHO DID UR HERO WIN WITH?

He was a Ron Artest 3 pointer from losing 2 to Boston...Don't yall bring up that Ray Allen shot with LeBron?

Pippen got more rings than Kobe tho