The "Kobe was a sidekick" argument needs to stop

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True. I dont believe those wing guys he mentioned had that "it" and extra gear Kobe had.



AND WERENT KNOWN AS DEFENDERS EITHER.. KOBE HELD DOWN THE PERIMETER ON BOTH ENDS. THE KOBE HATERS KNOW IT AINT TRUE, THEY JUST SAY IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEIR INFERIORITY COMPLEX.
 

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Kobe's success against the Spurs was much more so because of his transcendent abilities as a perimeter scorer than any attention Shaq attracted or the focus of the Spurs defense. He's cooked that team historically in the postseason even post Shaq and they've consistently struggled to handle him on that stage. The Lakers forcing the opposition to pick their poison between two dominant scorers was what made them such a legendary team and it wouldn't have been possible without those two together working in concert. What Kobe did was not the role of a side kick, but a co-superstar. That doesn't have to mean that Kobe consistently plays at a level that's superior or on par to Shaq's dominance, but that his impact for those teams at the peak of their powers was immeasurable and both were top five players during the majority of their tenure together. At no point in this games history should you be able to deem one player a sidekick to another if they're both among the very elite in this game regardless of gap in skill. Its flat out disrespectful
You ignored my point about The Lakers being built around Shaq, Shaw being the first option, and Shaq being the main focus of the opposing team because they override your childish cheerleading. Stop takin the shyt personal like a gotdamn little kid.
EXCEPT KOBE WAS DEFINITELY A FOCUS ON OFFENSE, SO UR BASING UR ARGUMENT ON A LIE...KOBE WAS CONSISTENTLY DOUBLE AND SOMETIMES EVEN TRIPLE TEAMED ON THE PERIMETER, WHICH PRETTY MUCH DISCREDITS THE BASIS OF YOUR RETORT.
Teams were not doubling Kobe wirh prime Shaq on the floor. :scusthov: at how quick some of you Kobe fanboys will outright lie.
 

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Shaq been jealous of KObe since day 1 lmao

Bryant had extreme confidence in his ability, which was unusual for an 18-year-old. Some teammates interpreted Bryant's confidence as arrogance.[6] O'Neal was wary of Bryant, as a rookie, boasting that he would lead the Lakers in scoring and be the best player in the league.
lmao, be a grown multi millionair NBA superstar jealous of a 18 year old kid brehs :mjlol:
 

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Uou ignored my point about The Lakers being built around Shaq, Shaw being the first option, and Shaq being the main focus of the opposing team because they override your childish cheerleading. Stop takin the shyt personal like a gotdamn little kid.

You're the one coming off as a sensitive child here. This is nothing more than a discussion to me and I don't really have a reason to blindly support Kobe here, as objective as the next person on his career

I addressed your points by acknowledging the fact that Kobe would not be able to take advantage of any situation if he wasn't such a dominant, supremely skilled scorer. Top 5 player in the game during much of the Lakers dynasty era. It is his actual skill as opposed to anything the Spurs were doing that allowed him to have such success with the Lakers during that period and that is what should take precedence here. If Kobe wasn't the first option he was 1B because along with often taking more attempts than Shaq he was also the best facilitator on those Lakers teams. Getting others involved with his dribble penetration including Shaq. I also brought up his playoff success against the Spurs in the playoffs long after the departure of Shaq when the offense was constructed around him. Maybe you don't remember but he bent the Spurs over his leg and beat that ass in the 2008 WCF in a manner that we haven't seen any perimeter player do since..well Kobe himself back with the 3peat Lakers.
 

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ODOM WAS AN INCONSISTENT PLAYER....GOOD ROLE PLAYER WHEN HE HAD HIS ISH TOGETHER, BUT NEVER MADE AN ALL-STAR SQUAD AND HIS BEST ACCOLADE WAS 6TH MAN OF THE YEAR. BYNUM WAS CONSTANTLY INJURED AND AVERAGED ABOUT 20 MINS IN THE FINALS. YOU TRYNA OVERGLORIFY THEM TO DOWNPLAY KOBE AINT GUNA WORK BROBRO.
Looks like you're downplaying Odom and Bynum to glorify Kobe. They won a championship but you painting them as bums
 

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Looks like you're downplaying Odom and Bynum to glorify Kobe. They won a championship but you painting them as bums
Bynum played like a bum in the playoffs. He wasn't healthy for any of our playoff runs. You're acting like a guy who averaged 6/3 in 09 and 8/7 in 2010 is a superstar. Those are the type of numbers Kedrick Perkins averaged when they won in 08 and I don't see anyone talking him up.

LO was terribly inconsistent. Still a really, really good player, but you never knew which LO was going to show up.
 

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You're the one coming off as a sensitive child here. This is nothing more than a discussion to me and I don't really have a reason to blindly support Kobe here, as objective as the next person on his career
:childplease: I can see your tennis skirt and pom poms from here. Nothing objective about you.

I addressed your points by acknowledging the fact that Kobe would not be able to take advantage of any situation if he wasn't such a dominant, supremely skilled scorer. Top 5 player in the game during much of the Lakers dynasty era. It is his actual skill as opposed to anything the Spurs were doing that allowed him to have such success with the Lakers during that period and that is what should take precedence here.
You didn't address anything, you just deflected. Nobody denies that Kobe was a dominant perimeter player and great scorer. Nobody denies that it takes a great player to take advantage of the situations that he was in. Those comments are deflections to what I said because they don't deal with what I said. Kobe being a great scorer and all that doesn't change the fact that the Lakers were built around Shaq, Shaq was the 1st option, and the main focus of the opposing team. Kobe's great skill doesn't change the fact that those Spurs team were more focused on controlling Shaq than him. Nothing you've said refutes the fact that Shaq was the main man of the those Lakers team.

If Kobe wasn't the first option he was 1B because along with often taking more attempts than Shaq he was also the best facilitator on those Lakers teams. Getting others involved with his dribble penetration including Shaq.
:heh: Kobe not being the 1st option means that he wasn't the 1st option. 1b=2. They can dress it up as pretty as you want but he wasn't the 1st option and that's the point. The team was built around Shaq.

I also brought up his playoff success against the Spurs in the playoffs long after the departure of Shaq when the offense was constructed around him. Maybe you don't remember but he bent the Spurs over his leg and beat that ass in the 2008 WCF in a manner that we haven't seen any perimeter player do since..well Kobe himself back with the 3peat Lakers.
Wipe the crusty shyt off your chin bruh. That one series against the Spurs post Shaq doesn't have anything to do with what happened during the Shaq-Kobe years. This is just another deflection. Regardless of what he did in that series, he was the sidekick during the Lakers 3peat. I don't know why that bothers Kobe and his fanboys so much.
 

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Shaq was the most "dominant" player in the series because of his opposition... But Who did he play against directly? Vlade? Smitts? Ratliff? Mutumbo? How hard was it to drop 30 on them nikkas?

Yet Kobe was playing the best guards and then playing DEFENSE on the best guards... Even when they lost to the Pistons he was making life hell for Rip Hamilton..

Stop right there, shaq had Duncan, Robinson, and kg to go through the west, while Kobes best opponent was Doug Christie and a flabby and sick Steve smith :mjlol:

All the elite guards were on the east, which coincidentally was when Kobe pulled disappearing acts :sas2:
 

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Bynum played like a bum in the playoffs. He wasn't healthy for any of our playoff runs. You're acting like a guy who averaged 6/3 in 09 and 8/7 in 2010 is a superstar. Those are the type of numbers Kedrick Perkins averaged when they won in 08 and I don't see anyone talking him up.

LO was terribly inconsistent. Still a really, really good player, but you never knew which LO was going to show up.
I didn't act like either was a superstar, just said they weren't bums. The difference between Perkins and Bynum is one can average those stats while missing a significant amount of games due to knee injuries
 

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Did you not see the point Where "when they played a team with a HOF big man and scrub SG?"

How many HOF centers did the lakers face during the 3 peat era?
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David Robinson, not to mention when he was out Duncan guarded. Now name ONE hall of fame shooting guard Kobe played against in the west, clown
 

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yall downplay shaq in the finals for playing against inferior big men but prop up kobe by showing his highlights against the spurs. In those early years, the spurs were weak in the backcourt. undersized Antonio daniels, derek Anderson was never a factor then he got hurt and was gone after that. the SG spot was the weakest on the team. thats not saying much tho cause It was basically Duncan and no one else.
 

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Kobes best competition in the west during that run was a nikka off the bench in bonzi wells, let that sink in
 

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David Robinson, not to mention when he was out Duncan guarded. Now name ONE hall of fame shooting guard Kobe played against in the west, clown
Past his prime Dave Robinson and and Tim Duncan(who i showed owned shaq lmoa and the Lakers had to rely on Kobe)
My point exactly.
 
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