The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why do you make up shyt? Unlike you, I defined the term precisely. You're the only one in the conversation who doesn't know was a class reductionist is.

Joe Biden Says ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Bright as ‘White Kids’ (Published 2019)

Mr. Biden was speaking at a town hall hosted by the Asian & Latino Coalition in Des Moines when he made the remark, which he quickly sought to recover from.

www.nytimes.com

What Joe Biden’s Latest Gaffe Reveals

He equated being poor with being a person of color. But many people share that sociological assumption.

www.theatlantic.com

"Poor kids" are just as bright as "white kids"? Did he just reduce the Black experience to being poor, or equate race with class? That wouldn't be.....class reductionist, would it?

Spoiler

I'm mostly trolling now, because true Class Reductionist views require more than just subconsciously mixing up race with class. But what Biden said there is easily closer to the true definition of class reductionism than anything I have ever said or supporting.

Whats this got to do with you defending Bernie as some unassailable paragon of virtue?

I never said biden was a race reductionist

because this convo is about you being a class reductionist

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly. There are rare people who say it, but socialists, communists and leftists have been advocating for civil rights, women rights, lgbtq rights, immigration rates, etc forever and been a large part in these movements. For black civil rights, when shyt actually made progress, it was leftists and socialists leading. Why? Because you can’t have these reckonings without an economic reckoning.

https://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=46678697

Like @Adeptus Astartes said:

There's no class solidarity because racist white people undermine progress at every turn. They bush any program that is seen as helping minorities.

DuBois had the "anti Idpol" leftists pegged a century ago.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But literally nobody here expresses it, so far as I've seen.

Now class reductionism exists

Is that why you said this?

we got you doggie.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Prof. Adolph Reed had a good article on this in 2019:

The Myth of Class Reductionism

The fight for racial and gender justice has always been about economic inequality, too.

newrepublic.com

another class reductionist

and @Rhakim dapped this post... denying class reductionism exists...

Reed is the Thomas Sowell for white leftists

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly. There are rare people who say it, but socialists, communists and leftists have been advocating for civil rights, women rights, lgbtq rights, immigration rates, etc forever and been a large part in these movements. For black civil rights, when shyt actually made progress, it was leftists and socialists leading. Why? Because you can’t have these reckonings without an economic reckoning.

Prof. Adolph Reed had a good article on this in 2019:

The Myth of Class Reductionism

The fight for racial and gender justice has always been about economic inequality, too.

newrepublic.com

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Ask yourself, who in oppressed communities benefits from thinking only in a racial lens and forgoing class? It ain’t the working class in those communities.

Im not saying there are not people who think only in class, but no one listens to them, and no one has ever listened to them.

Read this instead

Class Reductionism Is Real, and It’s Coming from the Jacobin Wing of the DSA - Left Voice

The Jacobin wing of the DSA tends towards class reductionism. This is a big problem for the largest socialist organization in the country. The Black-led uprising against police violence and institutional racism has brought this issue to the fore and presents an opportunity to rectify it.

www.leftvoice.org

The PMC meets the Tucker Carlson Left

Ethno-Nagleism is the Idpol of fools

Comrade Motopu is not a fan of nationalism and did not enjoy the latest article by Angela Nagle.

libcom.org

 

[Pressure]

At the sleight of hand.

“It’s not reductionism, it’s just too nuanced for you plebes to understand.”

 

[Professor Emeritus]

At the sleight of hand.

“It’s not reductionism, it’s just too nuanced for you plebes to understand.”

Who has "nuanced" anything? The definition of class reductionism is simple as fukk: Class reductionism is claiming you can ignore racial issues because class is all that matters.

I have never, ever done that. I've never done anything close to it. I don't need "nuance" to defend myself because Napoleon is obviously lying and has been incapable of posting a single example of me doing it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Now class reductionism exists

Is that why you said this?

I explicitly said class reductionism exists in this very conversation.

I also pointed out it's rare on the left, and usually used by centrists who say shyt like, "Racism isn't the main thing keeping black people down anymore, the main issue is just poverty."

we got you doggie.

Do you keep posting that because you're so confident that no one reads what you write?

Or are you actually that stupid that you think it helps your point?



You quote me explicitly saying that the black working class and white working class shouldn't be lumped together. That's the exact opposite of class reductionism. So where in my comment do you think I supported class reductionism?

All you did was use the search function to find when you had used "class reductionism" against me before, and the only hit you got proved you didn't know what it meant that time, either.

 

[mastermind]

This is bullshyt the Black women have similar economic mobility as White women. Black men being stifled drives most of the disparities that we see in the Black community.

The inheritance of black poverty: It's all about the men | Brookings

Scott Winship, Richard Reeves, and Katherine Guyot find that closing the race gaps in upward mobility will require wholesale shifts in economic outcomes, perhaps above all for men’s earnings.

www.brookings.edu

Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys (Published 2018)

A study of 20 million children shows the fragility of the American Dream.

www.nytimes.com

‘When I See Racial Disparities, I See Racism.’ Discussing Race, Gender and Mobility (Published 2018)

After we wrote last week about a sweeping new study of income inequality in the United States, we heard from hundreds of readers. Here is a selection of their questions, with responses from reporters, authors of the study and experts in the field.

www.nytimes.com

All of the data says it's a RACE ISSUE not a class issue.

I shared this a while ago, but its a RACE and CLASS issue:

Bertrand Cooper got Darity out the paint for ignoring intragroup inequalitlies.

Inequality Is High Within the Black Community

Rich blacks are 1,382 times wealthier than poor blacks.

www.peoplespolicyproject.org

I can't speak for you all, but I am not interested in helping upper middle class and wealthy black people like @Pressure achieve racial paradise of going to weddings with wealthy whites and playing polo on an even playing field, while standing on the head and necks of lower class and poor black people.

You can't ignore class when it comes to race, just like you can't ignore race when it comes to class.

As for your stuff about black women, I don't get how we have a wide problem with black child poverty but black women are doing as good as white women----which that Brookings report doesn't say, btw. Even in the Brookings article you shared, it says black women with families face being stuck poverty at a higher rate than black men with families.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I explicitly said class reductionism exists in this very conversation.

I also pointed out it's rare on the left, and usually used by centrists who say shyt like, "Racism isn't the main thing keeping black people down anymore, the main issue is just poverty."

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I can't speak for you all, but I am not interested in helping upper middle class and wealthy black people achieve racial paradise on the head and necks of lower and poor black people.

You can't ignore class when it comes to race, just like you can't ignore race when it comes to class.

Theres no such thing as upper class black people.

It's a few people with decent jobs.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You quote me explicitly saying that the black working class and white working class shouldn't be lumped together. That's the exact opposite of class reductionism. So where in my comment do you think I supported class reductionism?

You think fixing class will resolve some, any, amount of racism.

Theres no evidence of this.

All you did was use the search function to find when you had used "class reductionism" against me before, and the only hit you got proved you didn't know what it meant that time, either.

So now its a hit

 

[mastermind]

Who has "nuanced" anything? The definition of class reductionism is simple as fukk: Class reductionism is claiming you can ignore racial issues because class is all that matters.

I have never, ever done that. I've never done anything close to it. I don't need "nuance" to defend myself because Napoleon is obviously lying and has been incapable of posting a single example of me doing it.

No one has ever said that. What I've realized about posters like him on here is that they are ahistorical and not as intellectually curious as they believe. Therefore they spout the same bad data that the AI that composes Napoleon and he repeats it, and they just dap each other in some weird circle jerk.

Like I said before, there is a reason why the upper crust of the black community want to only focus on race and kick out class. Them nikkas don't wanna get eaten either because they know they involved in the same reprehensible bullshyt.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

another class reductionist

and @Rhakim dapped this post... denying class reductionism exists...

Yet another lie, his comment quoted approvingly the exact thing @LOST IN THE SAUCE said, that Class Reductionism does exist. And he affirmed it himself. Did you not even read the comment?

Exactly. There are rare people who say it, but socialists, communists and leftists have been advocating for civil rights, women rights, lgbtq rights, immigration rates, etc forever and been a large part in these movements. For black civil rights, when shyt actually made progress, it was leftists and socialists leading. Why? Because you can’t have these reckonings without an economic reckoning.

Ask yourself, who in oppressed communities benefits from thinking only in a racial lens and forgoing class? It ain’t the working class in those communities.

Im not saying there are not people who think only in class, but no one listens to them, and no one has ever listened to them.

Instead of responding to what he actually said, you quoted the title of an article you didn't read, out of context, and then claimed I agree with that article even though I didn't even read it and neither did you.

Do you have a moral compass, at all? Or are you just purely "the ends justify the means" and don't give a shyt how much you have to lie and distort to get there?

Reed is the Thomas Sowell for white leftists

Read this instead

Class Reductionism Is Real, and It’s Coming from the Jacobin Wing of the DSA - Left Voice

The Jacobin wing of the DSA tends towards class reductionism. This is a big problem for the largest socialist organization in the country. The Black-led uprising against police violence and institutional racism has brought this issue to the fore and presents an opportunity to rectify it.

www.leftvoice.org

The PMC meets the Tucker Carlson Left

Ethno-Nagleism is the Idpol of fools

Comrade Motopu is not a fan of nationalism and did not enjoy the latest article by Angela Nagle.

libcom.org

Why would we read shyt that the person posting it hasn't even read? No one believes for a moment that you've read or watched all that shyt. As always, you're just spam-posting things you find on social media in order to bury previous instances of yourself being embarrassed by actual dialogue.

You think fixing class will resolve some, any, amount of racism.

Theres no evidence of this.

I don't even believe it's possible to "fix" class without addressing racism, so you're going to have to be more specific about wtf you're trying to say.

So now its a hit

Your reading comprehension has failed you once again. You should probably close all those open windows on your computer, do some breathing exercises, clear your head, and then try again. It can't possibly hurt.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

“I’ve come upon something that disturbs me deeply. We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know we will win, but I have come to believe that we are integrating into a burning house. I’m afraid that America has lost the moral vision she may have had, and I’m afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears the soul of this nation. I fear I am integrating my people into a burning house.” - Martin Luther King Jr.



@Pressure (because I've given up hope of the other one being an honest conversation partner), do you believe that MLK Jr. was a class reductionist?

Spoiler

Personally, I don't think he was. I think he was correctly concerned with race and class both. But that particular statement is far closer to class reductionism than anything y'all have quoted me saying, because he's suggesting that antiracism could fail if not matched with a class struggle as well. So what exact point are y'all trying to make here?