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Yeah not surprised you are anti-intelligence from your political affiliations to black history.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/muhammad-ali-dead-dies-one-regret-malcolm-x-a706

Straight from Ali's mouth.

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I don't think your link is working,at least not for me

Muhammad Ali's one regret: his rift with Malcolm X
Turning my back on Malcolm,” wrote Ali in his 2004 autobiography The Soul of a Butterfly, “was one of the mistakes that I regret most in my life.

“I wish I’d been able to tell Malcolm I was sorry, that he was right about so many things. But he was killed before I got the chance.”

With that said Ali is being disingenious I would say to an extent. Only for the fact I don't THINK he found out Malcolm was right about so many things before Malcolm was killed. He likely came to this conclusion due to the fact he converted to be a Sunni Muslim. But who knows,maybe he did find out things from people within the nation that backed up Malcolm X's story. That is why I don't think its fair for us to speak on the inner workings or choose sides. I don't truly know what Malcolms intentions were but didn't think he went about certain things the right way,but I'm not going to say he was lying without knowing. Now as far as Malcolm X being assasinated,do any of us think that was fair and equal retribution for words that can be taken back?

But i think he is right,I don't think people abandoned Malcolm because of Ali,unless you mean the general public maybe. But as far as the Nation,Elijah really just had a hold on those men:wow:
 
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I don't think your link is working,at least not for me

Muhammad Ali's one regret: his rift with Malcolm X
Turning my back on Malcolm,” wrote Ali in his 2004 autobiography The Soul of a Butterfly, “was one of the mistakes that I regret most in my life.

“I wish I’d been able to tell Malcolm I was sorry, that he was right about so many things. But he was killed before I got the chance.”

With that said Ali is being disingenious I would say to an extent. Only for the fact I don't THINK he found out Malcolm was right about so many things before Malcolm was killed. He likely came to this conclusion due to the fact he converted to be a Sunni Muslim. But who knows,maybe he did find out things from people within the nation that backed up Malcolm X's story. That is why I don't think its fair for us to speak on the inner workings or choose sides. I don't truly know what Malcolms intentions were but didn't think he went about certain things the right way,but I'm not going to say he was lying without knowing. Now as far as Malcolm X being assasinated,do any of us think that was fair and equal retribution for words that can be taken back?

But i think he is right,I don't think people abandoned Malcolm because of Ali,unless you mean the general public maybe. But as far as the Nation,Elijah really just had a hold on those men:wow:






I believe Ali lost his way and was taken advantage of by men like Farrakhan and WD Mohammed who he tried to believe in but weren't worth the allegiance that he had previously given to Elijah Muhammad.

And in that case I can't blame him for that as I have met many over the years who feel the same way.

But that doesn't change the reality of what happened back in those days and the truth that I told about Malcolm.

After it was all said and done, Malcolm was still Detroit Red. No loyalty to anyone, not even a man who again going by his words, saved his life.

As far as Malcolm's murder, it is a matter of public record that the NOI was infiltrated by the government. Its also a matter of public record that the people that were around Malcolm after he left the NOI were gov agents. They set Malcolm up to be killed in an effort to turn ppl against Elijah Muhammad and against the Nation.

But as I said before, it didn't work as people of that time knew enough about what happened to know the truth. And the Nation experienced more growth after Malcolm's false allegations than they ever did.

Why?

Because everybody and their mama knew it was a lie.
 

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I don't think your link is working,at least not for me

Muhammad Ali's one regret: his rift with Malcolm X
Turning my back on Malcolm,” wrote Ali in his 2004 autobiography The Soul of a Butterfly, “was one of the mistakes that I regret most in my life.

“I wish I’d been able to tell Malcolm I was sorry, that he was right about so many things. But he was killed before I got the chance.”

With that said Ali is being disingenious I would say to an extent. Only for the fact I don't THINK he found out Malcolm was right about so many things before Malcolm was killed. He likely came to this conclusion due to the fact he converted to be a Sunni Muslim. But who knows,maybe he did find out things from people within the nation that backed up Malcolm X's story. That is why I don't think its fair for us to speak on the inner workings or choose sides. I don't truly know what Malcolms intentions were but didn't think he went about certain things the right way,but I'm not going to say he was lying without knowing. Now as far as Malcolm X being assasinated,do any of us think that was fair and equal retribution for words that can be taken back?

But i think he is right,I don't think people abandoned Malcolm because of Ali,unless you mean the general public maybe. But as far as the Nation,Elijah really just had a hold on those men:wow:

By 2004 Ali could write that Elijah Muhammad, who had taught him to see white Americans as blue-eyed devils , had accomplished much in terms of black racial pride but that “Malcolm was the first to discover the truth, that colour doesn’t make a man a devil. It is the heart, soul and mind that define a person.”

“Malcolm X was a great thinker and an even greater friend,” wrote Ali. “I might never have become a Muslim if it hadn’t been for Malcolm. If I could go back and do it all over again, I would never have turned my back on him.”

I stated that people were not changing their ways to help Malcolm and that even Ali wasn't going to, even though Malcolm brought him in. But playing chess, Elijah bestowed upon him a new name. Elijah definitely held the fort down and had men ready to die for him. So he dealt with someone that was lifting his skirt in front of his followers to the grave. Even though the women were filing the case years prior in 62 which continued in 64.

But this brings me back to my original point, black leaders have to be spotless in their image. If Elijah wasn't playing dirty, sneaking around, Malcolm wouldn't have that piece on him. Elijah subscribed to history's key figures in the death of Malcolm.

Their championing of Malcolm's death after he was buried is most disturbing. Ready to smear Malcolm from speech to speech while children are growing up without their father. A wife without her husband.

Not to mention they weren't pulling up on the white boys like that.
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Post Mecca Malcolm is exactly what type of time Fred Hampton was on. The words can be clear as day to me or you but unless someone is mature enough and accepting of new ideas that combat their own they can't change. For that I don't fault Ali, not when he was still wet behind the ears in his membership.

The men who killed Malcolm knew the family. Attallah spoke on this.
 
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By 2004 Ali could write that Elijah Muhammad, who had taught him to see white Americans as blue-eyed devils , had accomplished much in terms of black racial pride but that “Malcolm was the first to discover the truth, that colour doesn’t make a man a devil. It is the heart, soul and mind that define a person.”

“Malcolm X was a great thinker and an even greater friend,” wrote Ali. “I might never have become a Muslim if it hadn’t been for Malcolm. If I could go back and do it all over again, I would never have turned my back on him.”

I stated that people were not changing their ways to help Malcolm and that even Ali wasn't going to, even though Malcolm brought him in. But playing chess, Elijah bestowed upon him a new name. Elijah definitely held the fort down and had men ready to die for him. So he dealt with someone that was lifting his skirt in front of his followers to the grave. Even though the women were filing the case years prior in 62 which continued in 64.

But this brings me back to my original point, black leaders have to be spotless in their image. If Elijah wasn't playing dirty, sneaking around, Malcolm wouldn't have that piece on him. Elijah subscribed to history's key figures in the death of Malcolm.

Their championing of Malcolm's death after he was buried is most disturbing. Ready to smear Malcolm from speech to speech while children are growing up without their father. A wife without her husband.

Not to mention they weren't pulling up on the white boys like that.
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Post Mecca Malcolm is exactly what type of time Fred Hampton was on. The words can be clear as day to me or you but unless someone is mature enough and accepting of new ideas that combat their own they can't change. For that I don't fault Ali, not when he was still wet behind the ears in his membership.

The men who killed Malcolm knew the family. Attallah spoke on this.






Of course the men who killed Malcolm knew him. The men who killed Malcolm were people who the government put around him.

There are countless files, records of the FBI's infiltration of black organizations of that era, especially the Nation. If the murder of Malcolm had been ordered by ANY leadership in the Nation of Islam, especially if it had been directed by Elijah Muhammad, the FBI would have stormed in and put cuffs on everybody.

Championing Malcolm's death? It wasn't a champion, moreso of a "oh well, who cares? He got took out by the very ppl he surrounded himself with. He was the one advocating for everybody to pick up guns. And his own folks ran up on him and did him in with guns."

The attitude of that time was that, Malcolm was a traitor (which he was). I don't see you calling anyone else out for what they say about their traitors.

Malcolm started trash talking the Nation of Islam, so they talked about him too. I guess you wanted him to be able to say whatever he wanted, but you wanted the Nation's hands to be tied behind their backs where they couldn't respond.

As far as Elijah Muhammad giving Muhammad Ali a new name and that was him "playing chess", it shows your ignorance of the Nation of Islam. He gave many people in the Nation of Islam a new name, not just Muhammad Ali.

As far as people being loyal and committed to him, that's how the Nation made progress. Elijah Muhammad was the Nation of Islam's leader, their commander-in-chief. Yes, they were loyal to him.

And guess what? Going by your own words, Elijah Muhammad held the fort down and had all those men who were loyal to him.

So when Elijah Muhammad told his followers to leave Malcolm alone, then by your own words, those men were loyal to him and obeyed what he told them to do.

He told them don't touch Malcolm. And they didn't.
 

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Of course the men who killed Malcolm knew him. The men who killed Malcolm were people who the government put around him.

There are countless files, records of the FBI's infiltration of black organizations of that era, especially the Nation. If the murder of Malcolm had been ordered by ANY leadership in the Nation of Islam, especially if it had been directed by Elijah Muhammad, the FBI would have stormed in and put cuffs on everybody.

Championing Malcolm's death? It wasn't a champion, moreso of a "oh well, who cares? He got took out by the very ppl he surrounded himself with. He was the one advocating for everybody to pick up guns. And his own folks ran up on him and did him in with guns."

The attitude of that time was that, Malcolm was a traitor (which he was). I don't see you calling anyone else out for what they say about their traitors.

Malcolm started trash talking the Nation of Islam, so they talked about him too. I guess you wanted him to be able to say whatever he wanted, but you wanted the Nation's hands to be tied behind their backs where they couldn't respond.

As far as Elijah Muhammad giving Muhammad Ali a new name and that was him "playing chess", it shows your ignorance of the Nation of Islam. He gave many people in the Nation of Islam a new name, not just Muhammad Ali.

As far as people being loyal and committed to him, that's how the Nation made progress. Elijah Muhammad was the Nation of Islam's leader, their commander-in-chief. Yes, they were loyal to him.

And guess what? Going by your own words, Elijah Muhammad held the fort down and had all those men who were loyal to him.

So when Elijah Muhammad told his followers to leave Malcolm alone, then by your own words, those men were loyal to him and obeyed what he told them to do.

He told them don't touch Malcolm. And they didn't.

I can't fathom being dense as you are. Not only are you re-stating what I'm saying the other half you don't even understand.

Read what I wrote again. I'm not going to chew it up further so it is digestible for you. We're all grown here.
 
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I can't fathom being dense as you are. Not only are you re-stating what I'm saying the other half you don't even understand.

Read what I wrote again. I'm not going to chew it up further so it is digestible for you. We're all grown here.




well I've already said that you're speaking on things that you know nothing about.

you're looking at all of this from the lens of white media which has attempted to erase Elijah Muhammad from history, and most black ppl even go along with this out of an attempt to, I don't know, placate white folks.

Elijah Muhammad was the greatest leader that black people in America ever had, and when Black History Month rolls around, we don't even mention him.

You sound like a youngster so there's no point going back and forth with you about this. You'll understand when you get a little older, I guess.
 

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Rev. Albert Cleage is the only Christian that I’m familiar with who had national prominence so to speak while taking a nationalist stance.

I think naturally, the Christian concepts of “turning the other cheek” and “love thy neighbor” made integration seem like a more agreeable stance for most Christian leaders.

Those laws are only meant for dealing your own people, not the enemy. It produces camaraderie and patience for your brother’s faults because we are one. Black folks still pushing that other shyt are lost and don’t understand that that particular interpretation of the Bible’s laws/philosophies given to/forced on us is skewed to protect whites against the inevitable retaliation for their transgressions against us. It doesn’t apply to oppressors .
 

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We dont know who they extorted and why. Having a black business doesnt make you immune to being a c00n. Usually those are the biggest c00ns actually. They pray on black people under the guise that we are black and need to support each other. While really just charging you higher prices in many cases,and giving nothing back to black people. Plus I would have to hear in detail from a trusted panther about the extortion since there was a campaign to villify them with black working class/elites. Of coursr countilpro could put it out there they were extorting businesses.
Yeah you got a point. It did say something in the book about Huey saying "he doesn't think he is one of us"

What is the book ?
You definitely need to source that.
First I've ever heard of it.
The book is called The Shadow Of A Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power by Hugh Pearson
 
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