The NOI had the best solution for black people

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Did they pay taxes? Who made the resources they used to build that community? Did they depend on any publicly funded institution?

Dont know thier goal in doing this but black/brown people built to much and invested to much into this country for us to seclude ourselves and not fight to reep what we sowed. And make this shyt better.

i get the sentiment but whites have to know that this will not be an easy fight. They gon have to learn to live with us or we gon die trying. There is no coming back from the latter.

No.

 

[Wildhundreds]

Like sweeping the Elijah Muhammad rapes underneath the rug? @Stringer Cochran

Another CAC..

 

[Will Ross]

Imma need you to prove that you aint white cause you sounding mighty white in this thread.

How do I sound white? I think a issue that we don't want to talk about is a lot of our top don't stay in the community and that is the problem.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

You're saying this as your theory but the NOI put into practicality what you're talking about and what you're saying simply didn't happen.

The NOI operated as a nation, even trading with other nations, and had it kept going, it would have eventually operated as an independent nation in every single way and I believe that the US would have had no choice but to acquiesce to the nations demands of a territory either here in the US or somewhere else.

i'm not gonna argue with idealists

show me free land here or somewhere else. make your ideas practical... where you gonna go that there's no people that is worth settling and have sovereignty without blood shed?

 

[Wildhundreds]

if your argument is that integration hurt us show us the proof.
Are blacks that have integrated with whites in a worse position than ones that did not.

We were coming along fine after slavery..
Suppose white people didn't burn down a lot of the small economic engines we had going during reconstruction??

Shyt, suppose my grandfather was able to keep his land in the south, but lost due to the foul practice of share cropping..

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

Another CAC..

He was fukking underaged girls and shunning them once they became pregnant. That's your type of progress? @Wildhundreds

 

[Wildhundreds]

He was fukking underaged girls and shunning them once they became pregnant. That's your type of progress? @Wildhundreds

Even if the minister was taken out, the program must still go on..

This conversation is about the whole black community operating under the principles of the NOI. Not worshipping one man.. "brother"

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

ahh I gotcha! I feel where you’re coming from in that sense then. I must’ve overlooked that part in the OP




I wish there was a major push for this type of growth within our community nowadays. It feels like as a whole you’re just complacently accepting the way things are

I think that people are getting to the solutions part of the conversations. post woke era. there has been a search for leadership and guidance as none of those things in the past were ever done without strong and uniting voices. But there are so many egos and so few fit people to push collective goals forward...

Power corrupts humans and we have a fundamental weakness to it. I accept it. Even the NOI for all it's good has a dark side that was born by their leaderships desire to maintain power and influence. For all their good they have a lot to answer for and some broken trust. For people to move forward will take a true leader and a selfless one to unite the focus of people. That person will also be the least power hungry person in the room.

 

[mattw1313]

if your argument is that integration hurt us show us the proof.
Are blacks that have integrated with whites in a worse position than ones that did not.

this is why everyone is calling you white. your whole premise is fukked. where are the "blacks" (your term) in America who didn't integrate? is there a mini Wakanda somewhere nobody told me about?
before integration, we had our own businesses of every type. our own banks, schools, department stores, entertainment venues, bus lines, everything you can imagine. those are either gone or marginalized.

how can you exist in America in 2021 without using white businesses, products and institutions? you can't. there are no 'holdouts', because it wasn't a choice. the culture was dragged along, and any group like noi who tried to rebuild the positives that were lost was demonized and infiltrated.

 

[Wildhundreds]

I think that people are getting to the solutions part of the conversations. post woke era. there has been a search for leadership and guidance as none of those things in the past were ever done without strong and uniting voices. But there are so many egos and so few fit people to push collective goals forward...

Power corrupts humans and we have a fundamental weakness to it. I accept it. Even the NOI for all it's good has a dark side that was born by their leaderships desire to maintain power and influence. For all their good they have a lot to answer for and some broken trust. For people to move forward will take a true leader and a selfless one to unite the focus of people. That person will also be the least power hungry person in the room.

I ask myself how fcked up must we become before all ego's are put aside and focus squarely on getting the job done..

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

You should out this book by this woman named Jessica Gordon Nembhard she touches on what economies within these communities could and haved looked like in a sense

I do think there is a difference between community and “nation-ness” based on a what the black nationalist of the 60s and 70s speak of.



we live in black communities now but the difference between the two is political and economic power. It’s about “the land changing hands” but not necessarily having your own “state”

we must own homes and businesses and be able to hold elected officials that represent own communities accountable for representing own needs and interests. At that point you cross the line from just having a community to “nation-ness” in the way black nationalist speak of.

imo it doesn’t have to be a separate “state” or about you having your own government/military. It’s able owning the means of production in your community to some degree and having enough solidarity that can be used to govern that community even if it’s somewhat within the confines of the “state” (USA)

the term “nation” is a bit euphemistically used in this context but I think this is what the meaning is in this context. And if we were able to focus in and execute this in the 70/80s, our people would’ve been the better for it.

 

[JadeB]

I think all black Nationalist stances were the most appropriate, whether Muslim or Christian in religious leaning

What are some Christian black nationalists? Just wondering.

 

[eXodus]

You should out this book by this woman named Jessica Gordon Nembhard she touches on what economies within these communities could and haved looked like in a sense

I appreciate it brother! Just downloaded from z-library. I’ma put it my reading queue on Apple Books

 

[CW_1991]

They had the right idea. They were closer to a solution that was beneficial for black people as opposed to the whole integration one.

I'll say that much.

 

[MR. SNIFLES]

they missed out on the millions of black Christians and the 2 black atheist that could have joined back then

THE NATION DID COLLAB WITH OTHER GROUPS. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BE MUSLIM TO BUILD WITH THE NATION.

NOI CAN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE GROUPS.