The NOI had the best solution for black people

[eXodus]

What are some Christian black nationalists? Just wondering.

Rev. Albert Cleage is the only Christian that I’m familiar with who had national prominence so to speak while taking a nationalist stance.

I think naturally, the Christian concepts of “turning the other cheek” and “love thy neighbor” made integration seem like a more agreeable stance for most Christian leaders.

 

[BobbyWojak]

this is why everyone is calling you white. your whole premise is fukked. where are the "blacks" (your term) in America who didn't integrate? is there a mini Wakanda somewhere nobody told me about?
before integration, we had our own businesses of every type. our own banks, schools, department stores, entertainment venues, bus lines, everything you can imagine. those are either gone or marginalized.

how can you exist in America in 2021 without using white businesses, products and institutions? you can't. there are no 'holdouts', because it wasn't a choice. the culture was dragged along, and any group like noi who tried to rebuild the positives that were lost was demonized and infiltrated.

Forgot which episode but malcolm gladwell interviewed a woman about this. She grew up during that era and spoke about how terrible integrating into a white school was for her and how her experience at her black school was much better, she said her black teachers were amazing, she missed the compassion they had for her and the only issue was how run down the school was. just an anecdote

 

[eXodus]

Forgot which episode but malcolm gladwell interviewed a woman about this. She grew up during that era and spoke about how terrible integrating into a white school was for her and how her experience at her black school was much better, she said her black teachers were amazing, she missed the compassion they had for her and the only issue was how run down the school was. just an anecdote

Some folk point to educational attainment as proof of integration being a success.. but even in those cases where folks were truly integrated.. integration also coincided with school spending reform (largely in the early 70s) and investments in early childhood education (Project Head Start began in 1965) so it’s hard to even tell if it was integration that made the difference or these other investments that yielded results.

and from the example you gave, a student might have gotten access to better resources and “instruction” but at what cost, socio-emotionally. They didn’t want us around them so from a dignity standpoint, I hate that we felt it was so important to be around them.

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

Nah its not the economics of it that would cripple the US. It would be the complete loss of total moral standing.

When going to war, there has to be a "justification". Always.

Even when they wanted to go to war with Iraq, they had to do something to somewhat legitimize it.

Even though it turned out to be a lie, at the time America had just been attacked and Sadam supposedly had weapons of mass destruction.

Whenever you go to war, you've got to provide a reasoning otherwise you risk loss of moral standing and rebuke and even possible intervention from other nations.

America would never have been justified in declaring a hot war against the NOI under Elijah Muhammad because he did everything to make sure that Muslims were not seen as a threat, even down to forbidding Muslims to carry weapons.

You're forgetting that America is not above straight up FAKING a justification.

They could've easily payed some c00ns to pretend to be NOI and commit some violent acts.

 

[PL368Z]

With the way some of you nostalgia merchants talk about segregation you would think it's was some paradise for black people instead of the hell that it was, in case you missed majority of black people in that era lived in abject poverty.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

You're forgetting that America is not above straight up FAKING a justification.

They could've easily payed some c00ns to pretend to be NOI and commit some violent acts.

They tried that but nobody went for it because folks knew the history of the NOI and how they didn't start anything with anybody. The only thing they would do is defend themselves and even then they didn't use weapons.

They killed Malcolm and tried to pin that on the NOI but contrary to popular belief nowadays, at the time everybody knew it was basuras and the nation grew exponentially after that. Folks knew it was a lie and the nation continued to grow at a high rate.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

With the way some of you nostalgia merchants talk about segregation you would think it's was some paradise for black people instead of the hell that it was, in case you missed majority of black people in that era lived in abject poverty.

go on Twitter and look at all these black people with identity issues spewing nonsense about a black community they have never lived in.

I feel that you're the exact type of person that @Stringer Cochran was talking about in the above quote. Someone spewing nonsense about a black community that you've never lived in.

 

[Will Ross]

this is why everyone is calling you white. your whole premise is fukked. where are the "blacks" (your term) in America who didn't integrate? is there a mini Wakanda somewhere nobody told me about?
before integration, we had our own businesses of every type. our own banks, schools, department stores, entertainment venues, bus lines, everything you can imagine. those are either gone or marginalized.

how can you exist in America in 2021 without using white businesses, products and institutions? you can't. there are no 'holdouts', because it wasn't a choice. the culture was dragged along, and any group like noi who tried to rebuild the positives that were lost was demonized and infiltrated.

America never truly integrated most people still live in communities that are made up of people that share the same race.
What hurt us was immigration and the crack era. That is what destroyed the community

 

[eXodus]

With the way some of you nostalgia merchants talk about segregation you would think it's was some paradise for black people instead of the hell that it was, in case you missed majority of black people in that era lived in abject poverty.

Peace brother.

I don’t want to speak for everyone else but I believe what most of us in here are having “nostalgia” about isn’t some pre-civil rights overtly racist America. We feel or at least I feel that taking a black Nationalist stance POST civil rights era would have taken us further as a people. First you get your rights, then you use self-determination to obtain power by controlling and owning your community, both of which integration will not help you do.

Black People in the mid-20th century were in abject poverty but not much has changed today.

In 2017 the black unemployment rate was 7.5 percent, that’s up nearly an entire percent from 6.7 percent in 1968, and is still roughly twice the white unemployment rate.

homeownership rates are at about 41% for black folks in this country, virtually unchanged since 1968, and trailing a full 30 points behind the white homeownership rate.

Black Incarceration rates have tripled since 1968 and are 6 times that of whites.

and the country has “integrated” but every major metropolitan area in the United States is still largely segregated.

look at this chart on population vs poverty concentration in Baltimore City. The blue dots in the chart on the left are areas with a predominantly black population. On the right the darker areas are areas of concentrated poverty. You may have to zoom in to see but there is a complete overlap between were blacks live and poverty is. Not much has changed.

The same goes for aggregate investments flows (commercial real estate, business loans, mortgages) where the red dots are (white people) so are the investments.

Majority white neighborhoods received 3.3 times more investment than majority black neighborhoods in Baltimore City from 2004 to 2016


This is merely integration in name, a game of political optics and has led to very little overall progress for the masses of poor and working class black people. The overall condition of these folks would be a lot better in my opinion, had we focused on a black Nationalist agenda as opposed to this make believe integration game we’ve been playing the past 60 years.

 

[Monsanto]

Crakkka please.

Always like a cac to put the blame on black folks when in reality it was the FBI infiltrating and destroying all pro-black movements. You think we haven't read the declassified documents? The FBI literally has admitted to trying to stop a "black messiah" from rising in the US.

Preventing the rise of a 'messiah'

Crakka deflections



We all know about the white man's agenda in stopping black uprisings. Why is it always wrong to point out the blacks that are complicit in that behavior as well?

We have to fix ourselves. Our leaders have to be spotless because we know how fickle we are in tossing out the baby with the bathwater.

We can operate within their system as we have done and still build. But mismanagement of funds and illicit deeds can't be placed on the white man if it is the black man doing it to his own community.

Is a white man at fault for Umar Johnson being a crook? Jay Morrison? Blacks who sold their music distribution and radio broadcasts to white people allowing them to run the industry?



We have to take responsibility. They can admit what they are doing all day but we have to change the way power influences us and how it can be built to enable ourselves in the future.

But we must be held accountable.

 

[OG Talk]

It’s not too late.

The values, culture and rules are still there. We just need to decide as men when we are ready to put everything into action. When we lead, the women and children will follow.

 

[Swagnificent]

With the way some of you nostalgia merchants talk about segregation you would think it's was some paradise for black people instead of the hell that it was, in case you missed majority of black people in that era lived in abject poverty.

We still live in poverty today. You need me to show you articles showing how the gap in wealth between the average black family and the average white family has remained unchanged since slavery?

The difference was back then we had institutions that were our own. And they worked better for us (like schools). The only negative was we had less resources than whites. But fundamentally our institutions operated better for us than white institutions do today in this "integrated" society.

 

[Swagnificent]

Crakka deflections



We all know about the white man's agenda in stopping black uprisings. Why is it always wrong to point out the blacks that are complicit in that behavior as well?

We have to fix ourselves. Our leaders have to be spotless because we know how fickle we are in tossing out the baby with the bathwater.

We can operate within their system as we have done and still build. But mismanagement of funds and illicit deeds can't be placed on the white man if it is the black man doing it to his own community.

Is a white man at fault for Umar Johnson being a crook? Jay Morrison? Blacks who sold their music distribution and radio broadcasts to white people allowing them to run the industry?



We have to take responsibility. They can admit what they are doing all day but we have to change the way power influences us and how it can be built to enable ourselves in the future.

But we must be held accountable.

We call folks like you cacs cause you are essentially complaining about dirty sock in a room covered by feces.

Who gives a fukk if every black leader was not 100% perfect. The bigger issue has always been whites sabotoging our movements. When you try to deflect from the bigger issue and instead try to blame us for why our movements have failed, it comes off as a form of deflection of the far bigger issue.

So yeah we gotta pick up that dirty sock eventually but the feces covering the walls is the far bigger concern.

 

[MJ Truth]

The problem with most black groups, a leader assumes power and places themselves above the ideology. It happened with Elijah Muhammad and his spiritual son Farrakhan.

I could make multiple posts before you fall in line with my side here, but why do you think people revere Malcolm?

People revere Malcolm because he was a great orator spitting what Elijah told him to spit, and he got killed young enough that the community never got a chance to completely shyt on him like we always do.

 

[TallMan_J]

Are you a cac, breh?

Who are you quoting, breh? I have them on ignore. Obviously for good reasons. I’ll tell you if they’re a suspected cac or not.


@mattw1313 I can’t see who you guys are quoting. Who is it, so that I can take them off of ignore for a second. I want to get on his ass too.