The NOI had the best solution for black people

[eXodus]

the OP story over simplifies things communities are not nations. When was America going to allow that?

A new nation means war

I do think there is a difference between community and “nation-ness” based on a what the black nationalist of the 60s and 70s speak of.



we live in black communities now but the difference between the two is political and economic power. It’s about “the land changing hands” but not necessarily having your own “state”

we must own homes and businesses and be able to hold elected officials that represent own communities accountable for representing own needs and interests. At that point you cross the line from just having a community to “nation-ness” in the way black nationalist speak of.

imo it doesn’t have to be a separate “state” or about you having your own government/military. It’s able owning the means of production in your community to some degree and having enough solidarity that can be used to govern that community even if it’s somewhat within the confines of the “state” (USA)

the term “nation” is a bit euphemistically used in this context but I think this is what the meaning is in this context. And if we were able to focus in and execute this in the 70/80s, our people would’ve been the better for it.

 

[Take It In Blood]

No it wouldn't have

they missed out on the millions of black Christians and the 2 black atheist that could have joined back then

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

I do think there is a difference between community and “nation-ness” based on a what the black nationalist of the 60s and 70s speak of.



we live in black communities now but the difference between the two is political and economic power. It’s about “the land changing hands” but not necessarily having your own “state”

we must own homes and businesses and be able to hold elected officials that represent own communities accountable for representing own needs and interests. At that point you cross the line from just having a community to “nation-ness” in the way black nationalist speak of.

imo it doesn’t have to be a separate “state” or about you having your own government/military. It’s able owning the means of production in your community to some degree and having enough solidarity that can be used to govern that community even if it’s somewhat within the confines of the “state” (USA)

the term “nation” is a bit euphemistically used in this context but I think this is what the meaning is in this context. And if we were able to focus in and execute this in the 70/80s, our people would’ve been the better for it.

I addressed it as such because OP was talking about a nation with military... that's a country. everything you said is on point.

 

[Will Ross]

Sounds good to people that live in a fantasy

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

RELIGION REINFORCES OBEDIENCE WITHOUT MUCH FORCE.

they missed out on the millions of black Christians and the 2 black atheist that could have joined back then

The religious tenants of the NOI is what enforced a moral structure that was strictly followed. Without a moral structure you get what happened with the panthers, with claims of black women being taken advantage of and misused


The religion of the NOI was the best thing that it had.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

A nation is a new country... it won't be born peacefully or dwell peacefully next to the "Old" country. America was never going to let a new country rise anywhere near it's borders PEACEFULLY. Damn near no country in the world would go for this peacefully. That isn't to say it isn't deserved or anything else just the ideal you have is naive. The second you declare independence you are national threat number one for an infinite amount of reasons, majority of them being Black people have real grievances with America, they would fear retaliation and also international influence, treat it worse than Cuba. Now if you talking about something like what happened with Liberia or even the formation of Israel... yeah sure thing, As long as the Nation is as far away as possible from America its more likely to be a reality. your response is all emotion no logic. the way you argue and debate shyt is all emotion no logic.

You're saying this as your theory but the NOI put into practicality what you're talking about and what you're saying simply didn't happen.

The NOI operated as a nation, even trading with other nations, and had it kept going, it would have eventually operated as an independent nation in every single way and I believe that the US would have had no choice but to acquiesce to the nations demands of a territory either here in the US or somewhere else.

 

[Swagnificent]

They had their own farmland growing their own food, had their own schools to teach their children, had their own stores, had their own military force to protect and police their communities, rtc.

Yet black people chose to fight to integrate with cacs instead of building our own nation. Look at the results a complete disaster.

100%.

This is why the Nation of Islam and KKK didn't have a huge beef. Both wanted the full separation of races. It was the liberals that wanted integration.

 

[eXodus]

I addressed it as such because OP was talking about a nation with military... that's a country. everything you said is on point.

ahh I gotcha! I feel where you’re coming from in that sense then. I must’ve overlooked that part in the OP




I wish there was a major push for this type of growth within our community nowadays. It feels like as a whole you’re just complacently accepting the way things are

 

[Will Ross]

And this is a silly argument because blacks that are integrated with whites are not the ones struggling in this country.

 

[EBK String]

A nation is a new country... it won't be born peacefully or dwell peacefully next to the "Old" country. America was never going to let a new country rise anywhere near it's borders PEACEFULLY. Damn near no country in the world would go for this peacefully. That isn't to say it isn't deserved or anything else just the ideal you have is naive. The second you declare independence you are national threat number one for an infinite amount of reasons, majority of them being Black people have real grievances with America, they would fear retaliation and also international influence, treat it worse than Cuba. Now if you talking about something like what happened with Liberia or even the formation of Israel... yeah sure thing, As long as the Nation is as far away as possible from America its more likely to be a reality. your response is all emotion no logic. the way you argue and debate shyt is all emotion no logic.

I do think there is a difference between community and “nation-ness” based on a what the black nationalist of the 60s and 70s speak of.



we live in black communities now but the difference between the two is political and economic power. It’s about “the land changing hands” but not necessarily having your own “state”

we must own homes and businesses and be able to hold elected officials that represent own communities accountable for representing own needs and interests. At that point you cross the line from just having a community to “nation-ness” in the way black nationalist speak of.

imo it doesn’t have to be a separate “state” or about you having your own government/military. It’s able owning the means of production in your community to some degree and having enough solidarity that can be used to govern that community even if it’s somewhat within the confines of the “state” (USA)

the term “nation” is a bit euphemistically used in this context but I think this is what the meaning is in this context. And if we were able to focus in and execute this in the 70/80s, our people would’ve been the better for it.

A war with black people would cripple the infrastructure of an Empire. They would win but the price would be too costly just like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. But on a greatly level because it would be domestic.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

And this is a silly argument because blacks that are integrated with whites are not the ones struggling in this country.

Are you a cac, breh?

 

[Swagnificent]

The problem with most black groups, a leader assumes power and places themselves above the ideology. It happened with Elijah Muhammad and his spiritual son Farrakhan.

I could make multiple posts before you fall in line with my side here, but why do you think people revere Malcolm?

Crakkka please.

Always like a cac to put the blame on black folks when in reality it was the FBI infiltrating and destroying all pro-black movements. You think we haven't read the declassified documents? The FBI literally has admitted to trying to stop a "black messiah" from rising in the US.

Preventing the rise of a 'messiah'

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

Like sweeping the Elijah Muhammad rapes underneath the rug? @Stringer Cochran

 

[EBK String]

Like sweeping the ministers rapes underneath the rug? @Stringer Cochran

He didn't rape anybody he was committing adultery with teenage girls and getting them pregnant. You nikkas lust after bytches on ig all day and want to jump on a high horse.

 

[Will Ross]

Are you a cac, breh?

if your argument is that integration hurt us show us the proof.
Are blacks that have integrated with whites in a worse position than ones that did not.