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[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Only a true fakkit would be happy and smug about a fight between the bytch and not happening until 2015...

Im being realistic you mental midget that fight has 0 chance of happening until then

Only a true fakkit would make excuses for not taking the tests in 09- 10 when erry last thing Pac wanted was offered.... instead "me no likey needles" "me sue you long time" N go fight the ever dangerous Josh Clottey

 

[HARLEM AL]

I believe it goes back to 2010 when they were trying to put a fight together between Floyd and Pac, but Schafer kept lying saying that no negatiations were taking place calling Arum and Greenberg liars and that they should take lie detector tests.Relationships been sour ever since then

Lol this bullshyt. Has nothing to do with that.

 

[HARLEM AL]

this and this.

philosophy? so you mean to tell me that HBO is now going to be integrous with its matchmaking? they are going to stop the biased commentating? lol. Gotta be deeper than philosophies. It has something to do with working relationship and ideology when it comes to delivering the fights the network needs WHEN it wants them. Not enough dates to share evenly between promoters. The dates are hurting fight negotiations.

With Showtime making power moves such as the FMJ deal and NBC Sports in the fold, not to mention all the other lil side networks....HBO needs GBP much more than the other way around I say.

Boxing aint dead yet, but politics are killing it.

I think it's them being upset at Floyd leaving for showtime. HBO better hope they get some good fights at toprank.

 

[surv2syn]

HBO, what are you doing? :crazy:

I always preferred HBO over Showtime.

HBO WAS the king. They provided so many great fights but then when Showtime came on the scene and started getting big fights, like Tyson and such...HBO got into the business of manufacturing stars. While I liked their fighter presentations, in the later years I found myself tuning into Showtime fights more, even when there were dueling telecasts. Only if it was a fighter I really liked did I tune in to HBO. HBO put on a lot of mismatches and fights that looked good in marquees but not so good on paper. Showtime by far was putting on the most competitive fights between champions. HBO put on some decent fights with prospects, but not the same thing.

Also, Showtime was doing ALL of their championship boxing in HD before HBO which was another way they gained favor with me. Showtime was recording in HD, HBO would only broadcast in HD for a time as well. I was trying to figure out WTF was going on with that, since HBO was the bigger network. The fukk? They didnt own their own HD cameras?

Showtime wasnt interested at the time in signing individual fighters but buying individual fights. HBO's signing of fighters only forced them to feed a hype machine and hand-pick opponents and bill as true championship level fights. A lot of B.S. fights were made because a date needed to be filled or a push for a prospect was needed.

Showtime has been hungrier I feel in building its boxing format, while I feel HBO got lazy. Also, HBO Sports has suffered from a lot of cuts in budget and in fact Time Warner has pondered getting rid of the whole department. Trying to be cheap overall.

Showtime has been my favorite for years now as it seems that HBO got really lazy and complacent, not to mention a mix of bad politics. In short, I say this to say the once great HBO is now status.

 

[surv2syn]

I think it's them being upset at Floyd leaving for showtime. HBO better hope they get some good fights at toprank.

yes, they are salty about that, but when the Pac/May fight didnt come off, basically the damage was done. there was really no need for Mayweather to stick around.

 

[Black_Jesus]

I think it's them being upset at Floyd leaving for showtime. HBO better hope they get some good fights at toprank.

You call my post bullshyt then post this silly shyt...

Now you name a time before GB denied any negotiations were taking place that GB and HBO had friction...

 

[Black_Jesus]

Im being realistic you mental midget that fight has 0 chance of happening until then

Only a true fakkit would make excuses for not taking the tests in 09- 10 when erry last thing Pac wanted was offered.... instead "me no likey needles" "me sue you long time" N go fight the ever dangerous Josh Clottey

not agreeing unlimited blood tests in 09(something that was never demanded before 09) has nothing to do with the discussion..try and stay on topic bytch nikka


You're trying to be "realistic" but you're making it seem like somebody is because the fight wouldn't happen until 2015 or later... who will give a fukk about this fight almost 10 years later than it shouldve happened

 

[surv2syn]

You call my post bullshyt then post this silly shyt...

Now you name a time before GB denied any negotiations were taking place that GB and HBO had friction...

hey, I agree with you. that shyt that Schaefer pulled put a serious strain on their relationship, coupled with the fact that they sided with the Mayweather camp (naturally so) that Pac was juiced up.

Essentially, even though it doesnt look like it....HBO's ultimate undoing could be the fall-thru of this single fight. they spent a lot of time and money building up to it only for it not to happen. HBO built up GBP, but GBP (Schaefer inparticular) are some arrogant b*stards. They talk about what they want to do for the sport and the fighters but their main motive has always been total conquest and domination....not the best fights. Not like no other promoters not doing the same thing but GBP's campaign reaks with hypocrisy.

 

[HARLEM AL]

You call my post bullshyt then post this silly shyt...

Now you name a time before GB denied any negotiations were taking place that GB and HBO had friction...

Is that the reason pacq fought Mosley on showtime?

 

[surv2syn]

I think the main idea of this story is, GBP has this vendetta and has been trying to run TR outta business and they used HBO to get to where they needed to be. I wouldnt be surprise if GBP was angling towards something like this from gate. After this news....the more I think about it, I dont know if GBP ever wanted to make the damn fight.

Arum hated doing business with GBP because he felt they were unorganized and their processes were problematic. He assumed pay them a licensing fee for their fighters rather than co-promote with them. If I am GBP.... why help Arum make anything if you want rid of him anyway?

 

[Black_Jesus]

Is that the reason pacq fought Mosley on showtime?

Are you high??

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

HBO WAS the king. They provided so many great fights but then when Showtime came on the scene and started getting big fights, like Tyson and such...HBO got into the business of manufacturing stars. While I liked their fighter presentations, in the later years I found myself tuning into Showtime fights more, even when there were dueling telecasts. Only if it was a fighter I really liked did I tune in to HBO. HBO put on a lot of mismatches and fights that looked good in marquees but not so good on paper. Showtime by far was putting on the most competitive fights between champions. HBO put on some decent fights with prospects, but not the same thing.

Also, Showtime was doing ALL of their championship boxing in HD before HBO which was another way they gained favor with me. Showtime was recording in HD, HBO would only broadcast in HD for a time as well. I was trying to figure out WTF was going on with that, since HBO was the bigger network. The fukk? They didnt own their own HD cameras?

Showtime wasnt interested at the time in signing individual fighters but buying individual fights. HBO's signing of fighters only forced them to feed a hype machine and hand-pick opponents and bill as true championship level fights. A lot of B.S. fights were made because a date needed to be filled or a push for a prospect was needed.

Showtime has been hungrier I feel in building its boxing format, while I feel HBO got lazy. Also, HBO Sports has suffered from a lot of cuts in budget and in fact Time Warner has pondered getting rid of the whole department. Trying to be cheap overall.

Showtime has been my favorite for years now as it seems that HBO got really lazy and complacent, not to mention a mix of bad politics. In short, I say this to say the once great HBO is now status.

Complacent is a really good word for it.

I wish Showtime had HBO's commentating team.

 

[Black_Jesus]

I think the main idea of this story is, GBP has this vendetta and has been trying to run TR outta business and they used HBO to get to where they needed to be. I wouldnt be surprise if GBP was angling towards something like this from gate. After this news....the more I think about it, I dont know if GBP ever wanted to make the damn fight.

Arum hated doing business with GBP because he felt they were unorganized and their processes were problematic. He assumed pay them a licensing fee for their fighters rather than co-promote with them. If I am GBP.... why help Arum make anything if you want rid of him anyway?

Remember back in 09 when Schafer Arum and Jerry Jones, were supposed to have a sit down at the brand new Cowboys stadium to discuss the fight being in that huge arena and for absolutely no reason Schafer stood them up.. never really explained why either...

 

[HARLEM AL]

Are you high??

I'm not surprised it went over your head.


*reminds self not to reply to dude anymore:

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

not agreeing unlimited blood tests in 09(something that was never demanded before 09) has nothing to do with the discussion..try and stay on topic bytch nikka


You're trying to be "realistic" but you're making it seem like somebody is because the fight wouldn't happen until 2015 or later... who will give a fukk about this fight almost 10 years later than it shouldve happened

So if builds his rep back up N dips from top rank N then fights Floyd on showtime... TR N HBO aint goin be salty af??

The fight would still do numbers N be the biggest ppv in a long time