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[mr. smoke weed]

I think a FMJ-Pac fight would be much better than Nonito-Rigo. First of all, Pac would be a lot more busier. You think Rigo pot-shotted Nonito? Floyd would pot-shot Pac to death. Yes, May has lost a little speed, but his timing is impeccable, his defense is impregnable, he's ferocious...wait...lol...:roger:

FMJ would embarass this version of pacquiao. Prime pac vs prime floyd would still be a UD by floyd with probably a knockdown involved. Floyds ability to take away his opponents best weapon and make them second guess themselves would have manny at a huge disadvantadge

 

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Nonito underestimated the speed of Rigo. thats what happened. he probably didnt think he was that fast just by looking at tapes.

Donaire never was shyt, I tried to tell you people here that he's nothing more than a one dimensional hype job beating on c class little man in his division, he never showed me anything special, like HBO made him out to be by feeding him cans, but hey it's hard explaining things here to people who doesn't understand shyt about boxing

at his overrated excuse making ass

 

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oh this fool talmbout his shoulder, then he had trouble with the weight, then he didnt study, plus the dog ate his homework. come on Nonito...u r better than that.

that eye swoll up like :rock:

What made it worse was his lip was all puffed up like a faggit.........., I needed surgery for the last three years, than 3 fights, than 3 months, than he aint train, can't make weight, shyt was dispicable

 

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the best time to go to the body against May is when he is against the ropes doing the shoulder roll....but you must have tremendous speed to do it or you will be a sitting duck. Zab couldve pulled it off, but May never really went into that stance with him.

I think a FMJ-Pac fight would be much better than Nonito-Rigo. First of all, Pac would be a lot more busier. You think Rigo pot-shotted Nonito? Floyd would pot-shot Pac to death. Yes, May has lost a little speed, but his timing is impeccable, his defense is impregnable, he's ferocious...wait...lol...:roger:

No it's not, Mayweather throw laser counters when on the rope, drop your hands to go to his body is exactly what he wants when laying on the ropes, the way to touch him is pushing him to the ropes and throwing straight edjucated shots like Cotto and at times JMM did

 

[surv2syn]

No it's not, Mayweather throw laser counters when on the rope, drop your hands to go to his body is exactly what he wants when laying on the ropes, the way to touch him is pushing him to the ropes and throwing straight edjucated shots like Cotto and at times JMM did

thats my point....but he can only do that on someone who he has a speed advantage over, which up to this point has been everyone except Judah...which in that fight he didnt try that. its too dangerous against a fighter with speed. yeah, you can pick people apart like JLC or JMM, they are not fast fighters anyway, certainly not Cotto. What they are is what you said, educated. Floyd is undefeated because of his smarts. No way he fights someone like Zab the same way he fought Cotto and get away with it. IMO he was letting Cotto and JMM do that to make the fights more exciting and not look so lopsided. (you know damn well FMJ couldve pot-shotted them fools to death) You dont believe that though...like you dont believe Bradley couldve made his fight with Provodnikov much easier. At WW, Zab and PW were Floyd's biggest threats. Bigger than Pacquaio I believe.

sn: Floyd got the shoulder roll from Sr. I dont know if you have ever seen Sr. fight with SRL. Sr. couldve been a very good fighter if SRL wasnt in the division at the same time (then the subsequent gunshot injury). SRL was able to break that defense because of his speed. It can be broken, it has to be with speed or length though. FMS was probably the fastest WW at that time. He was faster than SRL and just as good a boxer, its just that SRL had power and FMS didnt.

 

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thats my point....but he can only do that on someone who he has a speed advantage over, which up to this point has been everyone except Judah...which in that fight he didnt try that. its too dangerous against a fighter with speed. yeah, you can pick people apart like JLC or JMM, they are not fast fighters anyway, certainly not Cotto. What they are is what you said, educated. Floyd is undefeated because of his smarts. IMO he was letting Cotto and JMM do that to make the fights more exciting and not look so lopsided. You dont believe that though...like you dont believe Bradley couldve made his fight with Provodnikov much easier.

sn: Floyd got the shoulder roll from Sr. I dont know if you have ever seen Sr. fight with SRL. Sr. couldve been a very good fighter if SRL wasnt in the division at the same time (then the subsequent gunshot injury). SRL was able to break that defense because of his speed. It can be broken, it has to be with speed or length though. FMS was probably the fastest WW at that time. He was faster than SRL, its just that SRL had power and FMS didnt.

Mayweather is faster than 99% of every fighter in his divisions 147 or 154, so it is what it is.




at SR being faster than SRL, and you can't use the blueprint that SRL did to Sr because although Sr troubled SRL, Jr is 5 times the fighter his father was, and has HOF D to mix with with his HOF chin, not to mention unlike Sr he could use alternate defense if needed. Jr only loses to a big a fighter that could cut off the ring and maul him with size

 

[patscorpio]

dammit i didn't know the fury-cunningham card was in the afternoon...i thought it was like at 8 or something not at 4..sheeiiittt i promised to spend the afternoon with my gf to do some quality time shyt..she's not going to let me watch that card at her house ..fukk!!!!

 

[SuikodenII]

thats my point....but he can only do that on someone who he has a speed advantage over, which up to this point has been everyone except Judah...which in that fight he didnt try that. its too dangerous against a fighter with speed. yeah, you can pick people apart like JLC or JMM, they are not fast fighters anyway, certainly not Cotto. What they are is what you said, educated. Floyd is undefeated because of his smarts. No way he fights someone like Zab the same way he fought Cotto and get away with it. IMO he was letting Cotto and JMM do that to make the fights more exciting and not look so lopsided. (you know damn well FMJ couldve pot-shotted them fools to death) You dont believe that though...like you dont believe Bradley couldve made his fight with Provodnikov much easier. At WW, Zab and PW were Floyd's biggest threats. Bigger than Pacquaio I believe.

sn: Floyd got the shoulder roll from Sr. I dont know if you have ever seen Sr. fight with SRL. Sr. couldve been a very good fighter if SRL wasnt in the division at the same time (then the subsequent gunshot injury). SRL was able to break that defense because of his speed. It can be broken, it has to be with speed or length though. FMS was probably the fastest WW at that time. He was faster than SRL and just as good a boxer, its just that SRL had power and FMS didnt.

 

[patscorpio]

yo that final finishing flurry sugar ray landed on floyd sr was ..nikka got his whole world rocked off that shyt lol

 

[surv2syn]

Mayweather is faster than 99% of every fighter in his divisions 147 or 154, so it is what it is.

I did say that everyone he faced he was faster than except Judah.

at SR being faster than SRL, and you can't use the blueprint that SRL did to Sr because although Sr troubled SRL, Jr is 5 times the fighter his father was, and has HOF D to mix with with his HOF chin, not to mention unlike Sr he could use alternate defense if needed. Jr only loses to a big a fighter that could cut off the ring and maul him with size

Sr was faster than SRL. SRL could throw those shoeshines and maybe thats where you are confused. Jr is a better fighter than his dad, I dont know about 5 times though...lol. had Sr beaten SRL couldve been a lot different, especially if he didnt get shot. as far as using the blueprint, FMJ has never fought a fighter the caliber of PRIME SRL, not even close!

as far as a fighter with size, I did say PW was his biggest threat besides Zab. PW could overtax his defense with activity. Mayweather fought Zab in the early rounds totally different than he fought anyone else I remembered. I was actually shocked....and who knows how strategy couldve changed had Zab been credited with that KD? Not saying PW or Zab would win but really, they were his only true threats at WW. You had a journeyman in Baldomir, over the hill Mitchell and Mosely, jww Hatton, lw JMM, a gutless Ortiz and now the overrated Guerrero.

I am as big a FMJ fan as anyone, but you take it too far. SRL was well balanced, had a great body attack and power. thats why he beat not only FMS, but that saved him against Hearns (along with tremendous heart). In a 15 round fight, Hearns would beat FMJ. SRL would likely beat FMJ too.

sn: FMJ's career somewhat mirrors SRL but even though SRL did some sidestepping, his opposition was better. Hearns was much more skilled than Diego. Benitez was retarded with the boxing skills. Casamayor couldve been FMJ's Benitez but that fight never happened...and there was a reason why.

sn #2: if one of you guys has link to video with FMS hitting heavy bag in camp with Guzman or his padwork with Oscar, post that shyt. this dude is over 50 and has more handspeed than most fighters today...he just dont have the reflexes of course.

I can watch shyt like this all day....

 

[surv2syn]

dammit i didn't know the fury-cunningham card was in the afternoon...i thought it was like at 8 or something not at 4..sheeiiittt i promised to spend the afternoon with my gf to do some quality time shyt..she's not going to let me watch that card at her house ..fukk!!!!

whats more quality time than watching the fight and having her serve you food and drink?

just tell her, she may even be interested in watching it. I mean what else were you gonna do that you couldnt do before or after the fight? if you butter her up right, I'll bet u she let u watch it.

on another note...I am considering dropping some doe on Cunningham, last time I checked he was +600

 

[patscorpio]

whats more quality time than watching the fight and having her serve you food and drink?

just tell her, she may even be interested in watching it. I mean what else were you gonna do that you couldnt do before or after the fight? if you butter her up right, I'll bet u she let u watch it.

on another note...I am considering dropping some doe on Cunningham, last time I checked he was +600

lol it would be easy if she liked boxing but she doesn't esp if it isn't between fighters she knows about...the fukked up thing is i could've done it this past weekend but i fukked up by being lazy and not doublechecking the fight schedules ..ill think of something ..may have to give her a good hour of fukking beforehand

 

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yo that final finishing flurry sugar ray landed on floyd sr was ..nikka got his whole world rocked off that shyt lol

that shyt was nice..i thought the ref was about to get kod too right at the end

 

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[Black_Jesus]

thats my point....but he can only do that on someone who he has a speed advantage over, which up to this point has been everyone except Judah...which in that fight he didnt try that. its too dangerous against a fighter with speed. yeah, you can pick people apart like JLC or JMM, they are not fast fighters anyway, certainly not Cotto. What they are is what you said, educated. Floyd is undefeated because of his smarts. No way he fights someone like Zab the same way he fought Cotto and get away with it. IMO he was letting Cotto and JMM do that to make the fights more exciting and not look so lopsided. (you know damn well FMJ couldve pot-shotted them fools to death) You dont believe that though...like you dont believe Bradley couldve made his fight with Provodnikov much easier. At WW, Zab and PW were Floyd's biggest threats. Bigger than Pacquaio I believe.

sn: Floyd got the shoulder roll from Sr. I dont know if you have ever seen Sr. fight with SRL. Sr. couldve been a very good fighter if SRL wasnt in the division at the same time (then the subsequent gunshot injury). SRL was able to break that defense because of his speed. It can be broken, it has to be with speed or length though. FMS was probably the fastest WW at that time. He was faster than SRL and just as good a boxer, its just that SRL had power and FMS didnt.

The reasons you give for why SRL gave FM Sr problems is the same reason Pac woulda gave Floydie problems especially prime 08-09 pac...great footwork, speed, and power from a south paw damn shole woulda had some effect on that defense. It woulda been like Zab vs Floyd the first 4 rounds except Pac wouldn't have been gassed or mentally unstable like Zab or Shane was the 2nd half of the fight..

Floydie and his camp seen that speed Pac displayed vs Hatton and Cotto and all they could think to do is scream roids.. even though roids don't fukking make you faster..

Floydie don't like fighting fast fighter because like you said, hes forced to come out of that shoulder roll which is more effective against much slower opponents..