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[patscorpio]

The reasons you give for why SRL gave FM Sr problems is the same reason Pac woulda gave Floydie problems especially prime 08-09 pac...great footwork, speed, and power from a south paw damn shole woulda had some effect on that defense. It woulda been like Zab vs Floyd the first 4 rounds except Pac wouldn't have been gassed or mentally unstable like Zab or Shane was the 2nd half of the fight..

Floydie and his camp seen that speed Pac displayed vs Hatton and Cotto and all they could think to do is scream roids.. even though roids don't fukking make you faster..

Floydie don't like fighting fast fighter because like you said, hes forced to come out of that shoulder roll which is more effective against much slower opponents..

yes..and thats the same reason just off styles why also punisher would have give floyd some trouble..not even mentioning the height and reach advantage lol

 

[surv2syn]

The reasons you give for why SRL gave FM Sr problems is the same reason Pac woulda gave Floydie problems especially prime 08-09 pac...great footwork, speed, and power from a south paw damn shole woulda had some effect on that defense. It woulda been like Zab vs Floyd the first 4 rounds except Pac wouldn't have been gassed or mentally unstable like Zab or Shane was the 2nd half of the fight..

Floydie and his camp seen that speed Pac displayed vs Hatton and Cotto and all they could think to do is scream roids.. even though roids don't fukking make you faster..

Floydie don't like fighting fast fighter because like you said, hes forced to come out of that shoulder roll which is more effective against much slower opponents..

yes, true, but...the issue with Pac is, he has bad balance too, even worse than Zab. Sometimes he throws punches and gets so off balance its hard to recover.

Floyd would definitely bring out the jab to the body for Pac because he isnt as adept as coming over the top like Zab. both are fast but in different ways. Pac is best when his target is right in front of him or going straight back.

Zab can counter better than Pac, Pac is a straight forward buzzsaw type. The shoulder roll definitely wouldnt work on Pac as well as it did on slower fighters. You think Augustus gave him hell. I dont see Pac beating Floyd but he could do very well against him with lots of head movement.

Floyd would look to jab up and down to keep Pac from getting into a rhythm. Pac is a rhythm fighter, if he cant establish that, he struggles. The wrong thing for Floyd to do against Pac would be go to the ropes.

another thing...Zab not a great boxer either, he falls right in line with Donaire and Dawson as guys that win off athleticism mostly. Zab couldve beaten Cotto if he wouldve done one simple thing....circle to his left. all night he circled the wrong way and he paid for it. If Pac circled around to his right, FMJ would probably stop him.

 

[surv2syn]

searched HBOGO and although not shocking, it is mildly surprising to me that all the FMJ content is gone.

the reason why I say its mildly surprising is because in the past, video content and rights were owned by the promoters mostly.

For all the stuff thats happened recently and will happen, HBO has no one but themselves to blame by signing fighters exclusively. In the long run it allows a competitor to come in and profit from the foundation that you have established.

I am a network engineer and to describe it from that perspective....thats like my company doing a 3 year/$5 million deal for an internet circuit but we provide the fiber-optics materials and labor for installation which would cost us $1 mil. Only to have the customer sign a deal with a competitor once the 3 years is up and still use our fiber infrastructure. Yeah, we made a few mil but we lost over $1 mil to do it. Doesnt sound bad but figure in the competitor saved $1 mil. Thats a $2 mil gap, not to mention they have the new deal in place and we dont!

Now, that has been done before but I have also witnessed where the initial provider of the infrastructure placed in the agreement where they would remove the infrastructure if contract was not renewed.

Basically what I am saying is, you cant be complacent and take things for granted because you are the biggest show in town. When dealing with any form of multimedia, it only takes one big deal to sway the balance. I aint mad at Showtime though because for the past decade or more they have provided the best fights IMO.

 

[surv2syn]

I really hope Rigo can stay busy with big fights. One of the best talents to me that never really made it big was Joan Guzman. His inactivity and lack of big fights cheated us out of seeing a good P4P fighter with boxing skill against some of the worlds best. Rigo is almost as old as Guzman funny thing, so I hope he is moved properly.

 

[surv2syn]

lol it would be easy if she liked boxing but she doesn't esp if it isn't between fighters she knows about...the fukked up thing is i could've done it this past weekend but i fukked up by being lazy and not doublechecking the fight schedules ..ill think of something ..may have to give her a good hour of fukking beforehand

:udontknow: if you do that and promise to give her another good one after the fight....she will let you watch it. just have your Red Bulls ready

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

Sweet Science at its finest

 

[So-Chi]

This fool Guerrero just needs to stop
Photos/Video: Guerrero Demolishes Mayweather Pinata - Boxing News

Floyd's win will be after this

 

[seemorecizzy]

yes..and thats the same reason just off styles why also punisher would have give floyd some trouble..not even mentioning the height and reach advantage lol

paul williams fought like he was 5-3
his height and reach was rarely a factor in any of his fights
he wasn't a very smart boxer
dont see him giving floyd any problems at all

 

[surv2syn]

paul williams fought like he was 5-3
his height and reach was rarely a factor in any of his fights
he wasn't a very smart boxer
dont see him giving floyd any problems at all

he did. I have to agree with you there. I felt he could bother Floyd IF he used his height and reach. thats a big if. anyway, that fight was never going to happen because of Haymon...regardless.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Sweet Science at its finest

thats the best punch i've seen since JMM KTFO shot

 

[surv2syn]

Matchroom Sport has confirmed that Kell Brook will be unable to fight Devon Alexander on May 18 due to an injury to his right foot.

Eddie Hearn said: “Kell has recently developed right foot pain. Following specialist review and investigations over the last ten days he has been diagnosed with a stress fracture of his right fourth metatarsal and a further injury of his right navicular, both of which require on-going treatment including withdrawal from full training. As a result of these injuries and the time required to recover he has been advised that he will not be medically fit to fight on May 18. Obviously this is a huge blow and Kell is devastated but we have had to make the right decision for Kell Brook the fighter. We will speak with Golden Boy and hope to re-schedule the bout in the near future.”

Kell Brook out of Devon Alexander fight

 

[SuikodenII]

Matchroom Sport has confirmed that Kell Brook will be unable to fight Devon Alexander on May 18 due to an injury to his right foot.

Eddie Hearn said: “Kell has recently developed right foot pain. Following specialist review and investigations over the last ten days he has been diagnosed with a stress fracture of his right fourth metatarsal and a further injury of his right navicular, both of which require on-going treatment including withdrawal from full training. As a result of these injuries and the time required to recover he has been advised that he will not be medically fit to fight on May 18. Obviously this is a huge blow and Kell is devastated but we have had to make the right decision for Kell Brook the fighter. We will speak with Golden Boy and hope to re-schedule the bout in the near future.”

Kell Brook out of Devon Alexander fight

fukkery will not end in 2012

 

[TheLukieBaby]

I am writing a Monday morning boxing column on a site that Fansided just purchased not the biggest deal , but it would be cool if you guys gave it a look

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Cat Stevens wrote that the first cut is the deepest. To that effect, maybe a dull loss harms the psyche more than a knock out. Saturday in Radio City Music Hall, in front of a HBO broadcast crew, Nonito Donaire knew what the mission was. Donaire sold the tickets. Donaire was the headliner. If the fight were to have action it would be on Donaire’s terms. Guilermo Rigondeaux’s plan was to simply out-box Donaire with greater patience. On top of this, both fighters are known for being counter punchers, which stylistically tends to be rough, since no one in that sort of fight wants to swing. Sure enough, the fight turned out to be mostly boring—but not for the reasons you may think.

Rigondeaux was the teacher. Donaire was the student. Donaire started with a flurry and quickly was countered by Rigondeaux who had answers all night. By the third round, a frustrated Donaire was left punching air. Rigondeaux fought the same round over and over again and there was nothing Donaire could do.

Rigondeaux used faints and footwork that had Donaire off balance and then he proceeded to hit him when he was in the worst position possible. It was a fight of pitter pat punches where you could keep track of how many actually landed with both hands. Rigondeaux would land eight punches in one round, as opposed to Donaire’s five.

The New York fans sat on the edge of their seats half-expecting Nonito to knockout Rigondeaux in heroic fashion. Yet the rounds melted away with nothing, just Rigondeaux putting up a Joey Maxim-esque effort. 1 It seemed that with the growing advantage for Rigondeaux came mounting pressure on Donaire to win. He had no Plan B. Donaire thought that his hand speed and power would hurt, finish, and change the fight dramatically in an instant. When it didn’t, he focused on his power shot with little use of the jab, and paid for it when he overcommitted to his lead foot.

In the 10th round, the crowd came to its feet when Donaire knocked Rigondeaux to the floor. Better late than never, many thought. However, it turned out to be nothing more than a brief hiccup. The fight’s last two rounds were rinse and repeat as Donaire just flat out struggled against the much slicker Cuban who had an answer for anything that Donaire presented. It showed the power of an amateur career in the sport of boxing; Rigondeaux was just on another level. 2

The crowd knew as soon as “. . . and new champion” was announced. Rigondeaux solidified himself as the best fighter in the 122 lbs division. But this creates a problem.

Rigondeaux has no ability to draw a title fight. Pitting Rigondeaux against then-champion Rico Ramos sold little more than 400 tickets and was only bought by Showtime as a ShoBox fight, which is the lowest rung of boxing on their boxing programming. On top of this, Donaire complained of a shoulder injury (perhaps lessening the victory for Riggy) and stated that he will be moving up to the 126 lbs division. This means that Rigondeaux will no longer be able to fight the fighter who helped him draw in one of the most historic venues in New York as well as net him a payday of $750,000. Even as the new champ, he won’t be seeing such a purse anytime soon. Rigondeaux may be dominant in his division, but now the question will be if anyone cares.

AT O.P.P.’S ‘BIKE & BASH SHOW II’
Saturday’s Bike & Bash show was set in the middle of an aircraft hangar in what looked like a scene from an “Unsolved Mysteries” reenactment of the Roswell crash. It was a good place to store a UFO. The venue was McClellan Air Force Base in the outstretched region that divides Sacramento proper from West Sacramento. It was a backdrop unlike any I had seen for a fight. The ring sat beautifully in the middle of the hangar with lights dangling, and the colors changed along with the tone, mood, and stakes as the night progressed.

In the headlining bout, John Abella (4-0-1, 2 KOs) defeated Salvador Cifuentes (1-5-1) in what was a rematch of a fight that occurred at O.P.P.’s first show last fall. Previously, the young Abella seemed to have problems with Cifuentes’ timing. It caught him during inopportune moments. Cifuentes, on the other hand, has fought tough competition his whole career and is a man with an upside down record. As the fight began, Cifuentes wasted no time in getting to the ring—strutting in before the singer could begin the National Anthem. Cifuentes, who slept in his car the night before weigh ins because his hotel room was not ready, looked grumpy but honed in.

Abella came out with a line of family members, all wearing “Team Abella” t-shirts, and donning “A Team” jackets. As the fight began there was a sense that history would repeat itself. Cifuentes was the aggressor and controlled the first round. A lot of pressure was placed on Abella–he is a young 3 man who can draw a crowd and has boyish good looks. It’s a promoter’s dream. Winning is the hard part. Abella felt the pressure and had the opening round taken from him. In the second, Abella tried to keep Cifuentes on the ropes, moving backward the whole round. With every punch thrown the partisan crowd yelled, “C’mon John!”

The third round was unhinged. Abella appeared to have landed more hits, but his grunts and punches allowed Cifuentes to time his shots and telegraph heavy blows. Toward the latter half of the round Cifuentes was able to land a shot that threw Abella back. I felt that he stole the round, and wondered if Abella was really as good as advertised. Then I realized that he is a 3-0-1 fighter. In other words, a young guy with the pressure of being the top dog on a promoter’s card who was being judged as the most dominant fighter on the bill.

The fourth round was all Abella. I saw something very good from the young fighter: When the going gets tough, so does he. It appeared that the fourth, fifth, and sixth round were Abella’s best and that if the fight had gone on much longer, Abella would have been up for a long, punishing night of body blows. Cifuentes looked battered and beaten by the sixth. Abella won cleanly. His hometown fans had something to cheer about.

BIZARRE FINISH TO WOMEN’S HEAVYWEIGHT BOUT
It was a homecoming five years in the making, as Martha Salazar (11-4-1 3KOs) put on a boxing clinic that should of taken place on a stage larger than a Bike & Bash undercard, as she dominated Sonya Lamonakis (7-0-3 1KO).

Salazar controlled most of the rounds with a jab and the ability to create angles. Lamonakis appeared to focus on charging forward and creating pressure. Salazar’s elusiveness and defense–when stuck on the rope–had her winning all six of the rounds in the judge’s eyes and five out of the six on my card.

But during the main event, Lamonakis was seen talking with a commission representative–never a good sign. As Abella began his dominance in the final frames of the headlining match, Lamonakis came over to press row and explained that her fight had been contested over three-minute rounds. Significant, because women’s bouts take place over two-minute rounds. Lamonakis felt that she absorbed more damage than needed; and moreover could have won the fight because she was winning good portions of certain rounds, having Salazar on the ropes for long periods of time, with Salazar ultimately getting the better of her in the final minutes.

It was a black eye for a fight that had generated online Pay-Per-View buzz. A fight that featured two women who fight for the love of the sport (Lamonakis is an elementary school teacher in Harlem, and Salazar, who was unable to attend the weigh in the day before because she couldn’t get off work). It had all the makings of something that could steal the show on its merits inside the ring, but this huge gaffe is what we’ll remember.

Lamonakis, a Broadway Boxing-featured fighter, is doubtful to fly across the country again for a do over. But would Salazar be willing to fly to New York for a rematch? The fight most notably had no clinches and featured lots of phone booth scrums. Salazar proved to have a little bit more raw boxing craft than Lamonakis who thought that applying pressure would cause Salazar to fade. Nonetheless, the lights were dim and the place was rocking as these two warriors went to war. I looked around and not a seat was empty and people were standing in every section of the arena just to get a look at their emerging heroine, screaming, “Martha! Martha! Martha!” It’s a shame that this fight will not be remembered for the good, but rather the bad and ugly.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

This fool Guerrero just needs to stop
Photos/Video: Guerrero Demolishes Mayweather Pinata - Boxing News

Floyd's win will be after this

Robert is going to die breh

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Robert is going to die breh

Guerrero is gonna go through some serious pain. Seems like floyd is getting stronger as he gets older. First time floyd lands that left hook to the body its going to be the start of the end. Floyd gonna knock him down atleast once