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What did fukk did those fighters do to be touted so highly, answer that

And Ward gets P4P recognition after beating a few ordinary fighters, fighters who he had the cards stacked against. Don't get dragged into the hype my friend, decent fights but underwhelming looking back when the smoke clears

the only thing that was wrong with super 6 was that it was not single elimination...it brought attention to a division that was loaded with talent but didn't have the exposure because nothing was poppin at 160 or 175 at that time...froch and kessler were the champs; abraham and taylor were middleweight champs who were names that were going up to compete, ward was the olympic gold medallist who was the known prospect..dirrell well honestly i don't know where he fit in..for all i know he was the second choice after bute's ppl didn't want to cooperate..who knows? :manny:
 

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I gotta cosign this shyt for real.

You got good fights popping off and all nikkas wanna do is have a circle jerk about Floyd. :snoop:

Now you see what kind of distraction this hype can be. Yes, there are good fights coming on, but only us true heads really care about it. Everyone is following the Floyd-Canelo drama, what the PPV buys for Guerrero were, etc....

which is why I tried to generate interest here by saying Garcia or Peterson if he beats LM were deserving. what happens? people say :dkufdup: because those guys are no match for Floyd. not saying they are but they are more deserving or just as deserving as Canelo.

the problem is....not too many casuals care about these fights if there are not potential big fights (PPV) for the winners on the horizon.

these are good fights but as far as history, if these shyts dont turn out to be a rare Corrales-Castillo or Marquez-Vasquez....they will be forgotten in a matter of days, then we will be back on to more :moneymay: talks.
 

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:russ: at this nikka saying ordinary 6.

I can't front, the tourney was good for the sport, but it took to damn long and you only got really one good fight out of it (Froch/Kessler) I'm not saying the others were bad fights cuz they were aight, but nothing blew me away. I did like how Dirrell handled Abraham before that shyt ended though.

The Bantam tournament >>>super 6.
Most of those fights were entertaining and Mares went on to do bigger things to me than Ward has. It's just that he's at a smaller weight division where nikkas don't care or overlook dudes.

bantam tournament was done right as it was single elimination and them fights were excellent :myman: but fukk mora for his pisspoor performance in mares-agbeko 1..shyt makes me :angry: to this day
 

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the only thing that was wrong with super 6 was that it was not single elimination...it brought attention to a division that was loaded with talent but didn't have the exposure because nothing was poppin at 160 or 175 at that time...froch and kessler were the champs; abraham and taylor were middleweight champs who were names that were going up to compete, ward was the olympic gold medallist who was the known prospect..dirrell well honestly i don't know where he fit in..for all i know he was the second choice after bute's ppl didn't want to cooperate..who knows? :manny:

the Super 6 was great for boxing and I loved it. the application failed a bit because it was drawn out and not single elimination as you said and that caused some to drop out, others to be added (which kinda watered it down with Green and Johnson). still it was a great concept with some really good fighters and I think something that should happen more often. it was good to see because good fights got made without a lot of posturing and pump faking by promoters and such.

it was one of the most exciting things that had happened for boxing in a while. I was hoping for a Cruiserweight or JWW tourney like that. its best served for divisions that dont get the recognition because they are lacking in star power at the present time.
 

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bantam tournament was done right as it was single elimination and them fights were excellent :myman: but fukk mora for his pisspoor performance in mares-agbeko 1..shyt makes me :angry: to this day

single elimination is good, but I like the style of the Super 6 because one fighter can lose to one then beat the guy who that guy just beat. we get fights in rapid fashion...its more than just who has a good night/bad night type deal. the problem is...with boxing...there are many injuries that interfere with an already arduous schedule.
 

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The only Ward fight I care about and matters...

Ward vs. BHOP
Ward vs Martinez
Ward vs Chavez
Ward vs Tarver

In other words Ward need to sit his vanilla boring ass down because all the fights that matter wont happen for him unless he drain or move up

Tarver :what:


Sucks that Calslappy ain't around anymore. Cause that would be the #1 fight I'd want to see Ward in. As it stands now, I wanna see him fight Hopkins.


I assume that means the fight becomes a NC now?

Whatever, I didn't think he won that fight anyway :manny:
 

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the Super 6 was great for boxing and I loved it. the application failed a bit because it was drawn out and not single elimination as you said and that caused some to drop out, others to be added (which kinda watered it down with Green and Johnson). still it was a great concept with some really good fighters and I think something that should happen more often. it was good to see because good fights got made without a lot of posturing and pump faking by promoters and such.

it was one of the most exciting things that had happened for boxing in a while. I was hoping for a Cruiserweight or JWW tourney like that. its best served for divisions that dont get the recognition because they are lacking in star power at the present time.

A cruiserweight one could work if there was a known US prospect or 2 in that division and Steve is out of that division. currently only Tarver, Lateef Kayode, and BJ Flores are the only known US based cruisers although who knows if Tarver is retired or semi retired at this point under his suspension. JWW however would be perfect for one but then Golden Boy and Top Rank would have to work together. They did it for Vanes vs Lara at 154. They should be able to do something in that division.
 

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single elimination is good, but I like the style of the Super 6 because one fighter can lose to one then beat the guy who that guy just beat. we get fights in rapid fashion...its more than just who has a good night/bad night type deal. the problem is...with boxing...there are many injuries that interfere with an already arduous schedule.

i felt it should have been single elimination first round then for the 3 fighters who won they do a round robin. But yeah injuries and fake injuries with half the original fighters pulling out hurt it. It can be done it again with the right division and right tweak.
 

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i felt it should have been single elimination first round then for the 3 fighters who won they do a round robin. But yeah injuries and fake injuries with half the original fighters pulling out hurt it. It can be done it again with the right division and right tweak.




the Super 6 was great for boxing and I loved it. the application failed a bit because it was drawn out and not single elimination as you said and that caused some to drop out, others to be added (which kinda watered it down with Green and Johnson). still it was a great concept with some really good fighters and I think something that should happen more often. it was good to see because good fights got made without a lot of posturing and pump faking by promoters and such.

it was one of the most exciting things that had happened for boxing in a while. I was hoping for a Cruiserweight or JWW tourney like that. its best served for divisions that dont get the recognition because they are lacking in star power at the present time.

Losers don't fight each other in real tournaments:pacspit:


THe idea of the Tournament was to boost a certain fighter which was Ward, who fought in his hometown every fight, unfortunately it didnt work. Like I say dont fall into the hype, stand back analyze things for what they truly were, the whole tournament was BS, bums beating on bums to face Ward and pad his resume.Is we supposed to act like that division was stacked without the idea of the bullshyt tournament????
 

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Losers don't fight each other in real tournaments:pacspit:


THe idea of the Tournament was to boost a certain fighter which was Ward, who fought in his hometown every fight, unfortunately it didnt work. Like I say dont fall into the hype, stand back analyze things for what they truly were, the whole tournament was BS, bums beating on bums to face Ward and pad his resume.Is we supposed to act like that division was stacked without the bullshyt tournament????

I dont believe or see how that was the object of the tourney. There was nothing going on in division as far as big fights, so instead of people picking and choosing they made the tourney. It was to showcase 3 Americans against 3 from outside of the U.S.

Furthermore, Ward and Dirrell were the top two underdogs. (I thought Ward had the best chance to win it all but he was underrated at the time) Kessler and Abraham were the top two favorites. 168 isnt stacked with great guys, but they are all good and the tourney was a great idea that hopefully other divisions/networks could pick up on. Just that 168 was the easiest to make the matches at the time.

Basically, it was to determine Calzaghe's successor and shine light on a division that has really only had 2 great champions and has been sandwiched in between two of boxing's most glamorous and storied divisions.

edit: also I want to add that as I always point out, Showtime had no vested interest in any one particular fighter because at the time they werent signing fighters, only buying fights. if HBO was doing a tourney, I would be really suspicious of that...not to mention surprised that it would even be going on. most of what we call cherry-picks are by-products of HBO.
 

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Middleweight prospect J'Leon Love failed a drug test following his controversial 10-round unanimous decision win against Gabriel Rosado on May 4, Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer said Wednesday.

Love was one of two boxers on the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Robert Guerrero undercard at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas to flunk drug tests. Super middleweight Matthew Garretson (2-1, 1 KO), 26, of Charleston, W.Va., who was knocked out in the final round of a four-round preliminary fight against Mayweather-promoted Lanell Bellows, also failed a test.

Love, 25, of Detroit, who is promoted by Mayweather, drew the pound-for-pound king's ire for the failed test. Mayweather, after all, has been vocal for the past few years in his calls for strict random drug testing in boxing.

"Floyd Mayweather nor myself condone this behavior and whatever the Nevada commission sees necessary as punishment we fully support it," Mayweather Promotions chief executive Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "In addition, there will be repercussions behind this as it relates to Mayweather Promotions and our fighter. This news is disgusting."

Rosado tweeted, "I just got news that J'Leon Love tested positive for (an) illegal substance. So not only did the judges cheat me but so did Love."

Love (16-0, 8 KOs), according to Kizer, tested positive for the banned diuretic Hydrochlorothiazide while Garretson tested positive for Furosemide, another kind of diuretic.

Diuretics are typically used to help cut weight or used as a masking agent for steroids. In Love's case, he struggled severely to make the 160-pound weight limit for the fight with Rosado.

Love was two hours late for the weigh-in and then was 161½ pounds on his first attempt to make weight. He returned to the scale nearly an hour later – almost maxing out the time allotted to make weight – and was 160 pounds.

"My guess is that's when he took it, allegedly. He may have taken it then or right before the weigh-in, because he was two hours late," Kizer said.

Kizer said both fighters will be temporarily suspended and eventually face a hearing before the commission, perhaps as soon as the mid-June commission meeting.

Kizer said he would seek a suspension and fine against both fighters. If Love's positive test is upheld, the result of the fight will be changed to a no decision. The result of the Garretson fight will stand because he lost.

"The usual suspension for a diuretic is seven to eight months, but he commission can go up to a year, depending on the circumstances," Kizer said.

The commission can also fine a boxer up to 100 percent of his purse but in the case of a positive diuretic test, Kizer said the commission typically hands out a fine of 30 percent. Love made $100,000 while Garretson earned $3,000.

:bryan:..HILARIOUS!!!! rosado didn't deserve that L..change it to a no-contest :yes::thumbsup:
 

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[ame=http://youtu.be/pnE9c4W7AaQ]Sugar Ray Leonard vs Oscar De La Hoya in a SKIP-OFF! - YouTube[/ame]

:snoop: :lawd::leon:
 

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Now you see what kind of distraction this hype can be. Yes, there are good fights coming on, but only us true heads really care about it. Everyone is following the Floyd-Canelo drama, what the PPV buys for Guerrero were, etc....

which is why I tried to generate interest here by saying Garcia or Peterson if he beats LM were deserving. what happens? people say :dkufdup: because those guys are no match for Floyd. not saying they are but they are more deserving or just as deserving as Canelo.

the problem is....not too many casuals care about these fights if there are not potential big fights (PPV) for the winners on the horizon.

these are good fights but as far as history, if these shyts dont turn out to be a rare Corrales-Castillo or Marquez-Vasquez....they will be forgotten in a matter of days, then we will be back on to more :moneymay: talks.

This is the thing though. The part that Canelo brings to a Floyd fight is his huge following and his KO power. Yeah he's not as seasoned as LM, LP, Garcia, etc...but he makes up for it with his big ass fan base thus making it a big fight.

Its hard to make a big fight when only one fighter is bringing all the fans.

I know I'm in the minority, but I rather see Floyd/Canelo fight in Sept. Depending on how competitive it is, both guys can take on different fighters later and build up a rematch down the road. This gives more time for 140 to get sorted out and if dudes move up they can get at least 1 fight at 147 before they get put in the Money sweepstakes. :manny:
 

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:why: 2 of my favorite fighters have to be flaming homosexuals, dont know whether to commend them for the rope work or look at them sides being happy as fukk jumping ropes giddy like females

One that Dresses in women's clothes, the other let a man suck on his dikk when he was damn near grown these were 2 of my favorite fighters man:snoop:

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