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Showtime, HBO Still in Running to Air Joshua-Klitschko in U.S. - Boxing News
HBO would probably do more views but Showtime's team is better...
Showtime, HBO Still in Running to Air Joshua-Klitschko in U.S.
By Keith Idec
NEW YORK – Stephen Espinoza would’ve loved to have been able to tell reporters Thursday that Showtime has secured the U.S. television rights to air the Anthony Joshua-Wladimir Klitschko heavyweight championship showdown.
The Showtime executive still hasn’t been told by promoters of that April 29 fight, though, if Showtime or HBO has been chosen as the American television partner for that huge event.
Showtime has a multi-fight contract to air Joshua’s fights in the United States, but that agreement doesn’t include automatic rights to televise a bout between England’s Joshua (18-0, 18 KOs) and Ukraine’s Klitschko (64-4, 53 KOs). HBO has worked with the 41-year-old Klitschko during much of his Hall of Fame career, but the former heavyweight champion doesn’t have an exclusive contract with HBO.
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That left the premium-cable rivals to bid against one another for the U.S. rights to broadcast the biggest heavyweight title fight since Lennox Lewis-Mike Tyson in June 2002.
“I wish I had it,” Espinoza said regarding an answer about whether Showtime will televise Joshua-Klitschko. “We’re in the thick of it, but there’s no real substantive update yet.”
Espinoza, executive vice president and general manager for Showtime Sports, added that the delay hasn’t made him pessimistic about being able to adequately promote the huge heavyweight fight if his network secures the U.S. rights to do so.
“The reality is on a non-pay-per-view [show], our marketing is usually only three-to-four weeks [in advance],” Espinoza said. “So this Saturday will be four weeks out. And that fight is such a big fight, it’s gonna make a lot of noise when we finally get closer to it anyway.”
Espinoza acknowledged that the negotiations are complicated because Showtime is invested in the 27-year-old Joshua, who’s already a superstar in Great Britain, and HBO is invested in Klitschko, who’s well-known to audiences in Europe, former Soviet Union nations and the United States.
“It’s one of those situations where no one’s really gonna be happy,” Espinoza said, referring to the network that doesn’t get the fight. “They’ve got a relationship with their guy, we’ve got a relationship with our guy. It’s hard to come up with ways to split this. I’m confident that we’re gonna be able to work out it, so that there is U.S. TV for it. From the network’s [standpoint], it’s a little [like] Mayweather-Pacquiao – not at that scale, but each side has interests and investments to protect, and you’ve gotta come to some sort of resolution. It’s just not something we’re used to doing, so it takes a long time.”
Sky Sports Box Office will televise Joshua-Klitschko on pay-per-view in the United Kingdom.
Roughly 90,000 tickets have been sold for their April 29 fight at Wembley Stadium in London. It will air early in the evening on the East Coast in the United States and in the middle of the afternoon on the West Coast.
- See more at: Showtime, HBO Still in Running to Air Joshua-Klitschko in U.S. - Boxing News
HBO would probably do more views but Showtime's team is better...
King P
Legends Never Die
Lomachenko Fires Back, SHREDS Mikey Garcia and His Wins
By Edward Chaykovsky
WBO super featherweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko (7-1, 5 KOs) was more than ready to fire when he was informed of the recent comments that were made by WBC lightweight champion Mikey Garcia (36-0, 30 KOs).
Last week, Garcia spoke with Brian Campbell of CBS Sports and explained why he wasn't impressed with Lomachenko's accomplishments and felt the two-time Olympic gold medal winner was getting way too much hype.
Garcia explained that he beat Orlando Salido, who gave Lomachenko his only career defeat. And he discussed how he knocked out Roman Martinez in 2014, and Lomachenko was getting a lot of praise for knocking out Martinez two years later.
“He got beat by an experienced, rugged fighter [Orlando Salido] and after that, he has improved a lot,” Garcia said. “He has a lot of credibility. But even at that, he’s only doing stuff that I already did three, four years ago.
“He couldn’t beat Salido, who I completely dominated. He wins his second world title, a title I had vacated that ends up going back to Rocky Martinez, the guy who I had previously knocked out. Then Vasyl Lomachenko knocks him out and all of a sudden he’s this greatest star because of victories that I already accomplished? Well, I don’t give him credit for that.”
Both Lomachenko and Garcia are recognized as being two of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the sport.
Lomachenko also spoke with Brian Campbell and not only explained why he wasn't impressed with Garcia's wins, but he also challenged Garcia to stay put at 135-pounds so they can get in the ring and settle their war of words the old fashioned way.
“Let’s talk about that. I read that interview when he was talking about that he destroyed Salido,” Lomachenko told Campbell. “I especially looked at that bout and he got lucky because he broke his nose. After the fourth or fifth round, Salido had already gotten to him and was ready to destroy.”
“If we want to talk about Rocky Martinez, let me ask you: Who was on the floor from Rocky Martinez? Yes, [Garcia] got a lucky punch and knocked him out in the eighth round, which I did in the fifth round. So we can talk about that as much as we can but if he wants to get my attention and he’s going to be staying at the 135, I’m going to come up at 135 too.
“If, right now, people are talking more about me, with me being the foreigner in this country, and not talking about him, that’s not a problem. We can meet in a few fights to find out who is better.”
- See more at: Lomachenko Fires Back, SHREDS Mikey Garcia and His Wins - Boxing News
By Edward Chaykovsky
WBO super featherweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko (7-1, 5 KOs) was more than ready to fire when he was informed of the recent comments that were made by WBC lightweight champion Mikey Garcia (36-0, 30 KOs).
Last week, Garcia spoke with Brian Campbell of CBS Sports and explained why he wasn't impressed with Lomachenko's accomplishments and felt the two-time Olympic gold medal winner was getting way too much hype.
Garcia explained that he beat Orlando Salido, who gave Lomachenko his only career defeat. And he discussed how he knocked out Roman Martinez in 2014, and Lomachenko was getting a lot of praise for knocking out Martinez two years later.
“He got beat by an experienced, rugged fighter [Orlando Salido] and after that, he has improved a lot,” Garcia said. “He has a lot of credibility. But even at that, he’s only doing stuff that I already did three, four years ago.
“He couldn’t beat Salido, who I completely dominated. He wins his second world title, a title I had vacated that ends up going back to Rocky Martinez, the guy who I had previously knocked out. Then Vasyl Lomachenko knocks him out and all of a sudden he’s this greatest star because of victories that I already accomplished? Well, I don’t give him credit for that.”
Both Lomachenko and Garcia are recognized as being two of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the sport.
Lomachenko also spoke with Brian Campbell and not only explained why he wasn't impressed with Garcia's wins, but he also challenged Garcia to stay put at 135-pounds so they can get in the ring and settle their war of words the old fashioned way.
“Let’s talk about that. I read that interview when he was talking about that he destroyed Salido,” Lomachenko told Campbell. “I especially looked at that bout and he got lucky because he broke his nose. After the fourth or fifth round, Salido had already gotten to him and was ready to destroy.”
“If we want to talk about Rocky Martinez, let me ask you: Who was on the floor from Rocky Martinez? Yes, [Garcia] got a lucky punch and knocked him out in the eighth round, which I did in the fifth round. So we can talk about that as much as we can but if he wants to get my attention and he’s going to be staying at the 135, I’m going to come up at 135 too.
“If, right now, people are talking more about me, with me being the foreigner in this country, and not talking about him, that’s not a problem. We can meet in a few fights to find out who is better.”
- See more at: Lomachenko Fires Back, SHREDS Mikey Garcia and His Wins - Boxing News
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Superstar
Lomachenko Fires Back, SHREDS Mikey Garcia and His Wins
By Edward Chaykovsky
WBO super featherweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko (7-1, 5 KOs) was more than ready to fire when he was informed of the recent comments that were made by WBC lightweight champion Mikey Garcia (36-0, 30 KOs).
Last week, Garcia spoke with Brian Campbell of CBS Sports and explained why he wasn't impressed with Lomachenko's accomplishments and felt the two-time Olympic gold medal winner was getting way too much hype.
Garcia explained that he beat Orlando Salido, who gave Lomachenko his only career defeat. And he discussed how he knocked out Roman Martinez in 2014, and Lomachenko was getting a lot of praise for knocking out Martinez two years later.
“He got beat by an experienced, rugged fighter [Orlando Salido] and after that, he has improved a lot,” Garcia said. “He has a lot of credibility. But even at that, he’s only doing stuff that I already did three, four years ago.
“He couldn’t beat Salido, who I completely dominated. He wins his second world title, a title I had vacated that ends up going back to Rocky Martinez, the guy who I had previously knocked out. Then Vasyl Lomachenko knocks him out and all of a sudden he’s this greatest star because of victories that I already accomplished? Well, I don’t give him credit for that.”
Both Lomachenko and Garcia are recognized as being two of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the sport.
Lomachenko also spoke with Brian Campbell and not only explained why he wasn't impressed with Garcia's wins, but he also challenged Garcia to stay put at 135-pounds so they can get in the ring and settle their war of words the old fashioned way.
“Let’s talk about that. I read that interview when he was talking about that he destroyed Salido,” Lomachenko told Campbell. “I especially looked at that bout and he got lucky because he broke his nose. After the fourth or fifth round, Salido had already gotten to him and was ready to destroy.”
“If we want to talk about Rocky Martinez, let me ask you: Who was on the floor from Rocky Martinez? Yes, [Garcia] got a lucky punch and knocked him out in the eighth round, which I did in the fifth round. So we can talk about that as much as we can but if he wants to get my attention and he’s going to be staying at the 135, I’m going to come up at 135 too.
“If, right now, people are talking more about me, with me being the foreigner in this country, and not talking about him, that’s not a problem. We can meet in a few fights to find out who is better.”
- See more at: Lomachenko Fires Back, SHREDS Mikey Garcia and His Wins - Boxing News
that's a reach though...
Mikey actually won against Salido and that's the point, that's what is important. He also won against a better version of Salido
And what lucky punch... smh... Loma should know better than that
dude sometimes seems a little off, he can't really process well criticism or if he doesn't get his way, last time he claimed every champion running from him in 130 while 2 out of the other 3 only became champions like a month before he said that (Gervonta, Berchelt)
Not a total reach to me
He did win, but he was also in his 31st career fight, in his 7th year as a professional, facing a Salido who made weight while Loma was only in his 2nd career fight vs a Salido who had an extreme weight advantage over him. While Mikey gets credit for his win, Loma still only lost a close SD vs Salido in only his 2nd fight.
Also, Salido wasn't a better version against Mikey Garcia. He faced Lomachenko only 1 year after he faced Garcia.....only 1 fight removed from the Garcia bout. It was the same Salido, just much bigger vs a less experienced opponent.
The lucky punch was a jab at Garcia, but Lomachenko performed better vs Martinez at the end of the day.
He did not get knocked down and he finished him 3 rounds earlier........so Mikey should know better than to criticize Loma's W when he didn't look as good vs Martinez as Loma did
They don't want to fight Lomachenko....he was calling them out before he had even moved up, specifically Nicholas Walters who got the beating I long knew he would get, by no one is knocking down the door to get in the ring with him.
“I would like to thank Jason Sosa, who unlike the other champions, agreed to take this fight to determine the best in this weight division, even though everyone knows I am the division’s Papi,” said Lomachenko. “I moved up to 130 pounds hoping champions in this division were not cowards like those at 126 pounds. It looks like I was wrong. To all the other ‘champions’ in the 126 pound and 130 pound divisions, I say this to you, ‘You are not champions, you are businessmen. Bad businessmen. By avoiding risks, you cheat the boxing fans and that is bad business.’ I came to this sport to prove to myself and others that I am this big and loud champion. So, while all of you continue to hide from me, I am going forward to achieve my goals. My next step is on April 8. See you there!” - Vasyl Lomachenko: 'I moved up to 130 pounds hoping champions in this division were not cowards' - Boxing News
^^^ Facts which were confirmed by Jason Sosa's promoter as well:
"Jason Sosa is a real fighter and real fighters fight. One of the problems in boxing today is that most of the fighters are not real fighters; they are businessmen. That's why guys ask for outrageous money to fight Lomachenko. Jason is cut from a different breed. He wants to find out how great he really is. What kind of fighter wouldn't want this kind of a challenge?" - Lomachenko to face Sosa after 'cowards' balk
Lomachenko wanted Fernando Vargas.....he went in another direction and then lost to Berchelt.
Lomachenko wanted Jezreel Corrales.......but he went the Salido route and wanted more money
Lomachenko wanted Jose Pedraza, who also claimed he wanted Loma, but then he lost to Tank......and Tank is already on record copping pleas about a potential matchup vs Loma:
So yes, Loma is correct in calling them out.
while mikey did beat a better version of salido..the broken nose and the way him and robert handled that never rubbed me the right way ..they were too eager to get out of that fight
..they were too eager to get out of that fight
while mikey did beat a better version of salido..the broken nose and the way him and robert handled that never rubbed me the right way
How was Salido better....he only faced Orlando Cruz between facing Garcia & Loma. And the Garcia vs Salido/Loma vs Salido fights were only 1 year apart.
He destroyed Cruz, so it's not like he took any punishment between the Garcia/Loma fights imo
Im not gonna take away from Mikey's Salido W ........I thought his nose was really broken
How was Salido better....he only faced Orlando Cruz between facing Garcia & Loma. And the Garcia vs Salido/Loma vs Salido fights were only 1 year apart.
He destroyed Cruz, so it's not like he took any punishment between the Garcia/Loma fights imo
Im not gonna take away from Mikey's Salido W ........I thought his nose was really broken
sound argument..for me more of an eye test thing and situational thing why i think that salido was better
for me that stoppage..if it was more influenced by the ref and doctor than i would be like cool..but i want to see some fight in that scenario gotdammit lol..like chico after the first fight with casa where he had the ridiculous cut from his mouth and was bleeding but he wanted to continue
Francisco breh
