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nikka hope you aint serious

Cotto ran to 154 to feast on bums for a few years after the Berto rumors started after he took a ass whipping from Manny


I'm not link searching yall lucky I have a audit today but this is simply one one link and the latter part of their saga

Cotto vs Berto To Be Discussed For a Fall HBO Showdown - Boxing News

Berto team went to Cotto team many times like the article state to make the fight,, like I said after his ass whipping form Manny he ran to 154 to duck a Berto match then used the weight to hide behind, while them two still never squared off

 

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Baldomir and Margarito are the same to me. Marg just has a better work rate

The Marg fight wasnt going to get made. bob would have had options in the contract.

Not true, Bob didnt want options, it was Floyd who wanted Bob to guarantee that his next two fights would be against Hatton and Cotto at Welterweight. Bob declined. So Bob just wanted Floyd to sign the fight, he never tried to force options on Floyd.

 

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p-will is the only fighter i feel that was ducked by both pac and floyd

PLease believe Floyd nor the Great Manny Pacquiao fears anybody that lost and lost a UD at that to bum ass Quitana

 

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Not true, Bob didnt want options, it was Floyd who wanted Bob to guarantee that his next two fights would be against Hatton and Cotto at Welterweight. Bob declined. So Bob just wanted Floyd to sign the fight, he never tried to force options on Floyd.

 

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I dont subscribe to the theory of "ducking" because it implies one man is afraid of another. That is not the case. However, management and tv networks will avoid fights that are high risk/low reward. Its not the fighters....because Cotto, Berto, Khan, etc...most young hyped fighters go through the same process of being carefully matched and built up.

I remember when Vernon Forrest (RIP) beat Mosley twice. Mosley at the time was considered P4P best. HBO gave Forrest a contract. Forrest said he wouldnt babysit his contract. He immediately took on Margarito and lost twice. HBO yanked his contract. Forrest had no regrets, but the point is...this is what consequences are waiting for you if you decide to take risks. Some fighters dont have enough marketability, so in order to make a lot of money they have to take hard fights. Others have the luxury of picking and choosing.

With Floyd's new deal on Showtime, do you really think he will fight 6 times in 30 months? If so, that would force him to fight someone decent in at least 2 or 3 of those fights. I'll bet you he only fights 3 times max under that deal.

 

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Cotto ran to 154 to feast on bums for a few years after the Berto rumors started after he took a ass whipping from Manny


I'm not link searching yall lucky I have a audit today but this is simply one one link and the latter part of their saga

Cotto vs Berto To Be Discussed For a Fall HBO Showdown - Boxing News

Berto team went to Cotto team many times like the article state to make the fight,, like I said after his ass whipping form Manny he ran to 154 to duck a Berto match then used the weight to hide behind, while them two still never squared off

you still on the short bus. Cotto has no reason to fight Berto. He made $19 million fighting Floyd and Trout in 2012. Why the fukk would he fight Berto?? You a funny dude.

 

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p-will is the only fighter i feel that was ducked by both pac and floyd

Of course Floyd ducked him but


Pac and P.Williams were never at WW at the same time

 

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Not true, Bob didnt want options, it was Floyd who wanted Bob to guarantee that his next two fights would be against Hatton and Cotto at Welterweight. Bob declined. So Bob just wanted Floyd to sign the fight, he never tried to force options on Floyd.

Not going to go back and forth over some old shyt but if bBob was going to offer floyd 8 million best believe there was going to be a dam option in there.

Also here is the Article on the whole situation

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - boxing - ESPN

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Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum's $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out and become a promotional free agent, Arum told ESPN.com on Monday.

According to Arum, Mayweather turned down the career-best purse to meet Margarito on Aug. 12 on HBO Pay-Per-View, instead opting for free agency by buying Arum out of their deal for $750,000.

"I did hear from him," Arum said of Mayweather. "He decided not to fight this summer. I made him a tremendous offer. I think Margarito is the riskiest fight for him of anyone out there."

Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com that Mayweather passed on the fight not because he is ducking Margarito, but because he couldn't be ready to fight by Aug. 12. Mayweather injured his right hand during a dominating April 8 victory against Zab Judah.

"Floyd is not 100 percent healthy," Ellerbe said. "He has a bruised right hand. His hand is not broken. It's bruised, but it's a bad bruise. He wants to go into any fight 100 percent healthy. If Antonio Margarito happens to be the best available option when he is healthy, so be it.

"We are not turning down Margarito. I want to make that crystal clear. When and if he is the best available option for Floyd's next fight, that's the direction he will move in."

With Aug. 12 no longer set aside for a Mayweather fight, Arum said he will use the date to feature one of his other stars, heavyweight titlist Hasim Rahman, in a mandatory title defense against Oleg Maskaev on HBO PPV.

That bout, a rematch of Maskaev's 1999 knockout victory, took on greater significance last weekend in the wake of Wladimir Klitschko's title-winning knockout of Chris Byrd in Germany.

The reason: Among the four recognized heavyweight title holders, Klitschko became the third from a former Soviet republic to beat an American to win a belt, leaving Rahman as the lone American heavyweight champion and Maskaev poised to give Eastern Europe a sweep of the titles in boxing's marquee division.

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."

Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

Instead, Arum is turning his attention to the Rahman-Maskaev fight.

Arum said that he and Maskaev representative Dennis Rappaport are about $300,000 apart on making a deal. If they don't finalize terms, the WBC will hold a purse bid May 1 in Mexico City.

But Arum is confident they will make the deal.

"We're very close," he said. "It will take another day to work it out."

Arum said he is already making arrangements to announce the fight at a news conference in New York on May 10. He added that the fight would take place at either Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., or at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.

Arum said Margarito could wind up on the Rahman-Maskaev card in the co-feature.

"But it's tentative," Arum said. "If Mayweather decides to fight in September or October, and Margarito could still be a candidate, I want him to be flexible."

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.

 

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you still on the short bus. Cotto has no reason to fight Berto. He made $19 million fighting Floyd and Trout in 2012. Why the fukk would he fight Berto?? You a funny dude.

That shyt was after the manny ass whipping he took in 09, what does his 2012 earnings have to do with anything







And if you try to troll and say he had no reason to fight Berto in 09 Berto was the fukking undefeated champ, a win over him and he was in the Mayweather, Manny, Margarito, Mosley fold, all huge big money fights, to win a paper strap off of Yuri Foreman.







Cotto never gets criticism though for sore losing, ducking fights, unnecessary catchweights and all, he's one slippery fukk I must admit.....................

 

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Leonard Ellerbe, shytting on Ward and Prince



First of all, nobody is going to go back and forth about one's religious beliefs because there's only one that can judge us all. As far as Floyd not selling in Grand Rapids, let me set the record straight.

After Floyd won the title from Genaro Hernandez 15 years ago, when he first went to Grand Rapids to defend the title against Carlos Rios, the fight was a complete sellout in 90 minutes with over 12,700 in attendance, and there were all kinds of fire marshal issues because there were so many people standing in the aisles. I know because I was there. And for the record, Floyd wasn't responsible for promoting or marketing any of his fights in those days. He was under someone else's banner. But one thing's for sure, once he gained control and became his own boss, the enormous record-breaking pay-per-view and box office numbers speak for themselves, making him the highest paid athlete in sports today.

As far as Broner is concerned, it's simple: it's a big brother/little brother mutual admiration and nothing anybody says is going to interfere with that. I think Andre Ward is an excellent fighter and I wish him the best. He can root for Guerreo all he wants, but the outcome will be the same with Floyd whooping that ass anD Floyd taking a Brinks truck home full of money that night. We won't be talking about this anymore because we gotta stay focused and take care of our business at hand, which is this huge pay-per-view event on May Day

 

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Where your memory fails you is...Floyd was still under Top Rank's banner when Arum offered him the $8 mil to fight Margarito! What options??? He was still promoted by Arum! Floyd turned it down and used clause in his contract and bought out Arum for $750k. THEN he fought Baldomir. And dont go telling me Baldomir was the same as Margarito....helllll no. Margarito had only lost one fight at welterweight and that was in like his 10th fight. The fight didnt get made because Margarito was a big strong welterweight who also fought at 154 occasionally. He was a relentless pressure fighter. Baldomir was the much easier fight because he didnt bring much in the way of offense and he was a walking target.

 

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Where your memory fails you is...Floyd was still under Top Rank's banner when Arum offered him the $8 mil to fight Margarito! What options??? He was still promoted by Arum! Floyd turned it down and used clause in his contract and bought out Arum for $750k. THEN he fought Baldomir. And dont go telling me Baldomir was the same as Margarito....helllll no. Margarito had only lost one fight at welterweight and that was in like his 10th fight. The fight didnt get made because Margarito was a big strong welterweight who also fought at 154 occasionally. He was a relentless pressure fighter. Baldomir was the much easier fight because he didnt bring much in the way of offense and he was a walking target.

Baldomir was the Undisputed Champ, he beat the man, who the fukk did Margarito beat up to that point

 

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p-will is the only fighter i feel that was ducked by both pac and floyd

What about Kostya Tszyu and Joel Casamayor?

 

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Where your memory fails you is...Floyd was still under Top Rank's banner when Arum offered him the $8 mil to fight Margarito! What options??? He was still promoted by Arum! Floyd turned it down and used clause in his contract and bought out Arum for $750k. THEN he fought Baldomir. And dont go telling me Baldomir was the same as Margarito....helllll no. Margarito had only lost one fight at welterweight and that was in like his 10th fight. The fight didnt get made because Margarito was a big strong welterweight who also fought at 154 occasionally. He was a relentless pressure fighter. Baldomir was the much easier fight because he didnt bring much in the way of offense and he was a walking target.

nikka did you just skip the bolded loool.

In the end Floyd wanted Oscar and bob wasnt going to make it.

as far as Baldomir and Marg. both those nikkas were ass. Baldomir was the champ with all th belts. should he have face a champ with 1 belt or the lineal title holder?

 

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168- and 175 aint tough you have a 50 year old still the second best fighters in those divisions, never before have I seen a guy gets so much unwarranted praise for fighting a bunch of B class at best fighters, in his hometown with every advantage possible, and a drug cheat Conte in his corner..............................



As far as the Mayweather Ward thing goes, its a couple things that goes into this eqaution, Mayweather is using Ward to completely cast a shadow over the Canelo Trout pressers thats taking place, and he used a non issue over Guerrero to make Ward and crew angry. On top of that Richard Schaeffer buddy Bhop already told Ward he wouldnt fight him for any amount of money, even though Ward said yesterday he would fight BHOP at 175, Ward and HBO(what they were trying to setup saturday) knowing thats Ward only sellable fight and his only big money fight available, they are playing chess 'in Ward. And then FLoyd tried to send the signal that you are not getting big money fights cause of your management, and that he needs to be where he's at, the only way he gets the Money and fights he want is coming to GB/Haymon, thats the only way he get the BHOP fight. Now their is talks of Bhop dropping to 168 and fight Froch Wards only other money fight.........GB and crew is trying to court Ward who has no fights and career is in shambles and they are already ten steps ahead of his ass, poking him from every single direction(even Bhop trying to court showtime after his fight, when HBO wants the Ward match obviousky), and they even let FLoyd get some in on Ward

I had to cosign this. I swear I thought I was the only nikka who felt that way.

To keep it real, I feel Abner Mares has beaten better quality fighters than Ward has, but since he campaigns at a much lower weight class the fans and media don't hold it in higher regards. Most of the cats Ward gets credit for beating have already gotten there ass kicked. Look at Froch, Froch done went life and death with Pascal, was getting his shyt pushed back by Taylor, got outboxed by Dirrell, and lost clearly to Kessler by being out worked. Allan Green and Miranda been thrashed before in more entertaining fights. Abraham got dominated and busted up by Dirrell. Kessler was a good win though.

Vic, Agbeko, Moreno > Froch, Kessler, and weight drained Dawson at 168.