Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
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((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
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@krackdagawd been an honorary #CaneloCartel member for yearsYou might as well officially join #CaneloCartel
@krackdagawd been an honorary #CaneloCartel member for years
So why doesn't he put a ring on it?
Once Canelo vs GGG happens, he's gonna be aligned with #TheCartel anyways......so he's either taking the W or L
They gonna run Vargas out there to kill off what's left of him
nah im thinking even oscar is not that stupid/coked out to put him back in the ring so soon...the cuts he got in that fight assured me he should be out until the earliest fall...hell cuts or not..he needs a layoff period and then a soft touch...miura-berchelt is either going to be the end of miura or berchelt beaten out of his prime or both...i have a feeling salido might be paired on this card..i hope
krackdagawd
Inspire.
So why doesn't he put a ring on it?
Once Canelo vs GGG happens, he's gonna be aligned with #TheCartel anyways......so he's either taking the W or L
I've always said Canelo beats ggg I ain't hop on this bandwagon when he looked like trash against Brook and Jacbos. Do I think he is a good fighter? Yes BUT 160 is beyond trash so he looks a lot better than he is. Plus he has power/hbo push/cac so he's been sold as a lot better than he is. Lets see how much of a good fighter he is once he fights Canelo and these goons that are coming up from 154 bet he aint gonna look like a killer no more
hell he ain't look like a killer Sat.Also I've stated many times that kkkov is a better boxer and does everything ggg does better including cutting off the ring. Which many argued in here....aint' really an argument anymore is there.
@krackdagawd been an honorary #CaneloCartel member for years
Pretty much I've always liked him as a fighter what is there not to like. While these nikkas were beating up jobbers and running from big fights Canelo was out here draining himself to 152 to try and become the best in the world at 24 yrs old.
His development as a fighter has been dope to watch. We've literally seen him pick up what works and what doesn't for him along the way.
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The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
MoroccanBoy
Madness
Wrong thread
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reservoirdogs
Superstar
Firstly breh, we weren't talking about any division....your initial response was to someone else who said Canelo was like AB. I picked out your sentence calling Canelo elite and asked you to explain how he's elite.
But, just to be on the same page, you can be elite in 1 division and not elite in another. Just because you're an elite Junior Middleweight doesn't mean you will be an elite Middleweight and vice versa.
Right, controversial Ws over 2 prime B fighters....the only prime, B class opponents he faced at JMW & neither were a dominant performance worthy of an elite tier status if we being honest.
What's the name of the elite fighter that Floyd shut out breh?
Then you go to Pacquiao and go "" about Pac's performance, which you admit was better, but then immediately electic slide over to using Canelo's age as a crutch, but not using the same "age excuse" for Pacquiao who was 36 and out of his prime when he faced Floyd?
Why...
that's not consistent at all breh:khanhuh:
#ConsistencyCops
Again:
"As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do."
Canelo didn't beat Lara or Trout clearly and Cotto was washed up.
The last 3 opponents that Canelo beat "clearly" in his class were Liam Smith, James Kirkland, and Alfredo Angulo....that's the same as Golovkin KOing Lemiuex, Stevens, Murray, Rubio, Macklin, Geale to you?
Not to me.
Canelo's wins were equal to GGG KOing Wade, Adama, and Simon.....C level comp.
Lara has draws with Vanes Martirosyan and Carlos Molina on his ledger.....and his best win is over Austin Trout. How's he even on Jacobs level when Jacobs only loss came to Pirog (who's also better than anyone Lara beat) and HIS best win is a 1st rd domination of an undefeated Peter Quillin
Jacobs doesn't have any draws with fighters like Molina and Martirosyan, then a struggle W in a rematch with Martirosyan.
And by the way........Dominic Wade was a mandatory defense while Canelo choose Kirkland to fight on 2 different occasions. Also, yall believe Kell Brook > Amir Khan and that Brook KOs Khan if they ever face off, so again....it seems GGG has the better opps. And what did he do with these respective opponents? He stopped Brook in 5 (Khan went longer vs Canelo) and he stopped Wade in 2 rounds (Kirkland went longer vs Canelo).
Just facts breh
So...
I wanna close this quick cause I don't want to find myself arguing about Dominic Wade's resume a week later but the point is you can separate the level of opponents Golovkin had and Canelo had aside of their bigger fights (Jacobs, Trout, Lara, May) but I don't really. In my eyes a Liam Smith win isn't really that worse than a Lemieux win for example.
Golovkin's most solid opponents out of Jacobs were Murray and Lemieux. Until Murray Geale was considered his best opponent. Geale who was blasted out by Cotto easily...
Golovkin's best win Jacobs = Canelo's best wins Lara and Trout
Canelo's Cotto win
GGG's wins over Murray
GGG's wins over Lemieux, Canelo's win over Liam Smith
the rest
that's my order mostly based on resume but not only since it's getting harder and harder to separate them once you get to the B- level fighters...
and anyway... as I broke it down in the post you already quoted for me the fact of a win comes first and only then how someone looked in those wins if I think the opponents of the two fighters were on the same level. So for me Golovkin's dominant performances against Lemieux or Monroe won't catapult him ahead of Canelo who beat Lara and Trout but closely/disputably especially that Canelo won those fights on my cards.
Now this was the first time Golovkin fought someone I can compare to that level and I'm even lighthearted now, I mean to gain eve more leverage I could even say that Golovkin did a same type of disputable fight against a 8-1 underdog, but I doN't cause I think Daniel Jacobs also raise his profile and proved to be better than I thought not only Golovkin got the "not invincible at all" price tag.
So if I view Jacobs as a same/similar level of win as Lara or Trout, what I do, I think their performances were comparable, and dare I say I even found Canelo more impressive cause
1: Unlike Golovkin against Jacobs he won against Lara on MY cards
but even if we go by the general opinion which accepts both fights as close, somewhat disputable fights
2: Canelo progressed throughout the fight, he adapted and overcame a very bad style matchup for him. Adaptability is a very important additional intangible to me and Canelo proved more from it than Golovkin so far.
I think as great as a pressure fighter Golovkin is, he has the same kind of problem what Kovalev has, which is the lack of adaptability.
In short: I absolutely can't see Golovkin's resume being better than Canelo's and I think either both of them should be considered as elite or none of them.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
i know you got the wrong thread but fam go home to your moms and stack your paper until you can do your own thing. Being homeless is not the wave, nothing wrong w being home at 22.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
Fam don't even give that shyt a reply in no world are 25 yr old Canelo and 35 yr old ggg resume's comparable let alone equal.
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Anything on the latest p4p changes?
MoroccanBoy
Madness
My bad. Trust me there's absolutely nothing here where my mom lives. It's outside the city and there's no work here plus my car just broke down so I need to be back in the city. I'll get 3 months free housing so I literally just work and save everything for 3 months. Get me my camera and laptop that I need for my photography shyt. This is a good move. I could move back in after my 3 months is up but I'll be back with some bread and prospects. I think this is one of the smarter things I've done.
