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Not true, Bob didnt want options, it was Floyd who wanted Bob to guarantee that his next two fights would be against Hatton and Cotto at Welterweight. Bob declined. So Bob just wanted Floyd to sign the fight, he never tried to force options on Floyd.

That shyt was after the manny ass whipping he took in 09, what does his 2012 earnings have to do with anything






And if you try to troll and say he had no reason to fight Berto in 09 Berto was the fukking undefeated champ, a win over him and he was in the Mayweather, Manny, Margarito, Mosley fold, all huge big money fights, to win a paper strap off of Yuri Foreman.







Cotto never gets criticism though for sore losing, ducking fights, unnecessary catchweights and all, he's one slippery fukk I must admit.....................

in 2009 Berto was getting his ass handed to him by Luis Collazo, who incidentally he never gave a rematch to. Instead of a rematch he called up Urango from 140. Meanwhile Cotto made millions fighting Michael Jennings and Josh Clottey (who had just beat Zab for the title). Clottey was a tougher fight and much more profitable than Berto at that stage.

 

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nikka did you just skip the bolded loool.

In the end Floyd wanted Oscar and bob wasnt going to make it.

as far as Baldomir and Marg. both those nikkas were ass. Baldomir was the champ with all th belts. should he have face a champ with 1 belt or the lineal title holder?

Lineal could of been undisputed had he paid the fee, and nikkas gonna act like facing him is some kind of duck

 

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I had to cosign this. I swear I thought I was the only nikka who felt that way.

To keep it real, I feel Abner Mares has beaten better quality fighters than Ward has, but since he campaigns at a much lower weight class the fans and media don't hold it in higher regards. Most of the cats Ward gets credit for beating have already gotten there ass kicked. Look at Froch, Froch done went life and death with Pascal, was getting his shyt pushed back by Taylor, got outboxed by Dirrell, and lost clearly to Kessler by being out worked. Allan Green and Miranda been thrashed before in more entertaining fights. Abraham got dominated and busted up by Dirrell. Kessler was a good win though.

Vic, Agbeko, Moreno > Froch, Kessler, and weight drained Dawson at 168.

yall two probably are the only ones that feel that way. while Vic, Agbeko, and Moreno or good, they are not better fighters than Froch, Kessler, or Dawson. The weight wasnt the problem with Dawson, he was fine. You forget, Dawson makes that weight easy and only went to 175 for bigger paydays. Dawson was technically exposed by Ward. Had nothing to do with weight. I am more of a Dawson fan than Ward but Ward is just plain better right now. and Froch??? Froch is no damn joke.

 

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in 2009 Berto was getting his ass handed to him by Luis Collazo, who incidentally he never gave a rematch to. Instead of a rematch he called up Urango from 140. Meanwhile Cotto made millions fighting Michael Jennings and Josh Clottey (who had just beat Zab for the title). Clottey was a tougher fight and much more profitable than Berto at that stage.

Just like Clottley was more profitable than Mayweather right


You talking out your ass, and what dont you get AFTER THE MANNY FIGHT AND NOT BEFORE

 

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Vic Agbeko Moreno Vs Froch Kessler Dawson at 168

shyt is equal to me. Some faults i all the fighters.


Froch isnt that good to me. JT was putting hands on his ass before he (you know). Dirrell Beat Froch. shyt wasnt even close.

Thats why I say you can break down everybody resume if you wanted to. You will always find something.

In the end we all want good fights thats all that matters really.

 

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nikka did you just skip the bolded loool.

In the end Floyd wanted Oscar and bob wasnt going to make it.

as far as Baldomir and Marg. both those nikkas were ass. Baldomir was the champ with all th belts. should he have face a champ with 1 belt or the lineal title holder?

yeah...where did it say Arum wanted options? It said clearly Floyd bought out his contract from Bob. The Margarito fight mattered a damn because Floyd became a free agent, made $1 more for fighting Baldomir, still got DLH next, still got Hatton next!

After Floyd bought out Arum he made $110 million in purses and didnt have to split a damn penny with Arum. Thats why the fight with Margarito didnt get made, it just didnt make no damn sense to do when he got the same thing for fighting Baldomir WITHOUT Arum.

 

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yall two probably are the only ones that feel that way. while Vic, Agbeko, and Moreno or good, they are not better fighters than Froch, Kessler, or Dawson. The weight wasnt the problem with Dawson, he was fine. You forget, Dawson makes that weight easy and only went to 175 for bigger paydays. Dawson was technically exposed by Ward. Had nothing to do with weight. I am more of a Dawson fan than Ward but Ward is just plain better right now. and Froch??? Froch is no damn joke.

I'm sorry but there's no way I'll ever be convinced that Dawson wasn't drained for that fight. He showed all the signs. Dawson ain't make 168 in like 6 years so there's no way he made that shyt easy and being able to fight effectively once down there is a whole different story. If Ward really wanted to make a statement he would have went up to 175. I mean he already cleared out 168. It wasn't like some money fight was going to emerge there anyway. Dawson was at fault for suggesting that 168 shyt, but Ward was no better in accepting that. Fans got cheated out of a big fight on a level playing field.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about Ward's comp being better than Mares cuz I don't see it. If you wanna say Ward's is better it would be by the slightest of margins. It's nothing to get all excited about like 70% of the boxing world has.

 

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I'm sorry but there's no way I'll ever be convinced that Dawson wasn't drained for that fight. He showed all the signs. Dawson ain't make 168 in like 6 years so there's no way he made that shyt easy and being able to fight effectively once down there is a whole different story. If Ward really wanted to make a statement he would have went up to 175. I mean he already cleared out 168. It wasn't like some money fight was going to emerge there anyway. Dawson was at fault for suggesting that 168 shyt, but Ward was no better in accepting that. Fans got cheated out of a big fight on a level playing field.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about Ward's comp being better than Mares cuz I don't see it. If you wanna say Ward's is better it would be by the slightest of margins. It's nothing to get all excited about like 70% of the boxing world has.

Although Dawson is a week ass nikka, which has been confirmed by te likes of Floyd Sr, he was definitely drained, he got koed in sparring by edison Miranda leading up to the fight, he was a shell of himself


SN: I also convinced that BHOP couldnt pull the trigger in the 2nd Dawson fight cause of his injury also

 

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yeah...where did it say Arum wanted options? It said clearly Floyd bought out his contract from Bob. The Margarito fight mattered a damn because Floyd became a free agent, made $1 more for fighting Baldomir, still got DLH next, still got Hatton next!

After Floyd bought out Arum he made $110 million in purses and didnt have to split a damn penny with Arum. Thats why the fight with Margarito didnt get made, it just didnt make no damn sense to do when he got the same thing for fighting Baldomir WITHOUT Arum.

You think he would guarantee floyd 8million without options on his next fight. Bob aint puting out that money for no reason. its business.

 

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Just like Clottley was more profitable than Mayweather right


You talking out your ass, and what dont you get AFTER THE MANNY FIGHT AND NOT BEFORE

you said 2009. after Cotto vs Pac, Cotto didnt fight again until 2010. He won the WBA title and made more money fighting Foreman, Mayorga, and Margarito than he ever would have fighting Berto....who was the more dangerous fighter. It gave him a title in his 3rd weight division. You just dont get it. Why fight Berto and make the same money when he can fight Foreman and get the same plus a new title and more lucrative fights? Yes Cotto wasnt fighting anybody either, thats the whole point.

 

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You think he would guarantee floyd 8million without options on his next fight. Bob aint puting out that money for no reason. its business.

ok, hear me out dude. even if he did, which he could have, that aint why the fight aint get made. Floyd wouldve taken the options if he wouldve got the money he asked for. it says it in the article you posted. Bob wasnt trying to give up that much money so Floyd went free agent and made the same amount. He didnt need the $8million from Bob, options or not because he still made the same thing fighting Baldomir without Bob....do you understand?

 

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Berto and Shane were in talks to fight way back around July of 09 (ended up getting cancelled due to the Haiti earthquake jan 2010) .... Cotto's WW run was on point judging by the comp he faced..

But @Skip b you confused me just now.. One instance you talk about when Manny fought Cotto, Manny only won by a couple rounds and got a gift stoppage from the ref... next you talkin bout The Great Manny asswhoopin of 09... You aint consistent b

 

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Although Dawson is a week ass nikka, which has been confirmed by te likes of Floyd Sr, he was definitely drained, he got koed in sparring by edison Miranda leading up to the fight, he was a shell of himself


SN: I also convinced that BHOP couldnt pull the trigger in the 2nd Dawson fight cause of his injury also

bull fukkin shyt. Hopkins cannot beat Dawson. Thats all there is to it. There is a reason why Hopkins ducked him for 2 years then jumped on the dudes back and faked a fukkin injury. dude, you one dikkridin hatin ass sumbytch. Bernard conned the network and public out of millions. Did the same shyt against Robert Allen and Antwun Echols. I respect Hopkins gansta. He is a man in the ring, an con artist and a genius. He knows who to pick his fights with though...which is part of his brilliance. the thing I dont like about Bernard is, he championed the cause for fighters being exploited by the system and the public being cheated out of good fights, then once he got his money he started doing the same thing. charge it to the game though.

 

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Berto and Shane were in talks to fight way back around July of 09 (ended up getting cancelled due to the Haiti earthquake jan 2010) .... Cotto's WW run was on point judging by the comp he faced..

But @Skip b you confused me just now.. One instance you talk about when Manny fought Cotto, Manny only won by a couple rounds and got a gift stoppage from the ref... next you talkin bout The Great Manny asswhoopin of 09... You aint consistent b

After Berto cancelled his Mosley fight, his team went after Cotto



It was a ass whipping, with 2 knockdowns blood and all, but it was a gift stoppage, and Cotto won about 4 rounds. Is it my fault the 10 point must system is implemented in boxing, Manny had some brutally dominating rounds, but you dont get extra points in those rounds in no knockdown is scored, it's the same principal with the Bradley fight

 

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I'm sorry but there's no way I'll ever be convinced that Dawson wasn't drained for that fight. He showed all the signs. Dawson ain't make 168 in like 6 years so there's no way he made that shyt easy and being able to fight effectively once down there is a whole different story. If Ward really wanted to make a statement he would have went up to 175. I mean he already cleared out 168. It wasn't like some money fight was going to emerge there anyway. Dawson was at fault for suggesting that 168 shyt, but Ward was no better in accepting that. Fans got cheated out of a big fight on a level playing field.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about Ward's comp being better than Mares cuz I don't see it. If you wanna say Ward's is better it would be by the slightest of margins. It's nothing to get all excited about like 70% of the boxing world has.

you are right about Dawson suggesting it but why would Ward reject it? now you are sounding like Skip. Ward said himself, when Chad suggested it, he felt it was a dumb move but he wasnt gonna turn that down. Anyway...you may see Ward go up to 175. I am a big Dawson fan, but at 175 the fight plays out the same way. Dawson is an elite athlete with a jab, Ward is a technical fighter with deadly accuracy who can adapt to any style. At any weight Ward is better than Dawson.