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I'm on record that the Floyd/Ginger fight should be at 154 not WW N not no damn catchweight

If you wanna rehydration clause to 165 that's ok

Beat ginger @154 drop the belt N finish out the career at 147

Floyd made i known he didnt want 154 after the Cotto fight, where he showed he could be pinned to the ropes and held by bigger men, he dont even weigh in at the full 147, he still a small WW. Canelo who was campaigning at WW less than 2 years ago should have no problems draining down, if he cant because he weigh too much, should be the reason why the fight shouldn't go down in the first place. It shouldn't be shyt for a 23 year old to lose 7 pounds in the biggest and highest paying fight of his career, why does Floyd have to be handicapped for it to be a competitive good match, while other fighters come at their absolute best


ODH would be rolling over in his Grave if he someone told him he would have to move up to fight a fighter with one legit win(in a fight 2/3 of the media/boxing experts felt he lost)

 

[surv2syn]

I'm on record that the Floyd/Ginger fight should be at 154 not WW N not no damn catchweight

If you wanna rehydration clause to 165 that's ok

Beat ginger @154 drop the belt N finish out the career at 147

and I wouldnt mind FMJ fighting at 154 either, but I think that should be on the backend of his career if that should happen. he obviously feels best weighing in under 147. Bernard is a genius in this regard and I think Floyd learned a lesson with Cotto and is taking a page out of Bernard's book. Bernard knows better than to go up in weight then come down at an advanced age. Alton Merkerson was against Roy going back down to 175 but Roy's mind was made up. If you are young, like PW you can float between weights. As your body ages, its hard to do and maintain the same reflexes. Either you are going to be putting on additional fat to go up and lose it to come down, which is not good...or you put on additional muscle to go up and lose it to come down, which is even worse.

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

Personally I think if Floyd is so against fighting at 154, then he shouldn't be champion in that division.

 

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and I wouldnt mind FMJ fighting at 154 either, but I think that should be on the backend of his career if that should happen. he obviously feels best weighing in under 147. Bernard is a genius in this regard and I think Floyd learned a lesson with Cotto and is taking a page out of Bernard's book. Bernard knows better than to go up in weight then come down at an advanced age. Alton Merkerson was against Roy going back down to 175 but Roy's mind was made up. If you are young, like PW you can float between weights. As your body ages, its hard to do and maintain the same reflexes. Either you are going to be putting on additional fat to go up and lose it to come down, which is not good...or you put on additional muscle to go up and lose it to come down, which is even worse.

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Canelo should have no issues draining since he's young enough and used to it, Mayweather gaining to make 154 could take off the last year he has left on his career

 

[surv2syn]

why does Floyd have to be handicapped for it to be a competitive good match, while other fighters come at their absolute best

well, the first thing people are hollering when u say that is, "why does he have a belt and not defend it"

I dont think Floyd was belt hunting when he fought Cotto. I think it was a profitable fight that people wanted to see for years.

As always, its better to promote a fight as a championship fight, particularly when it champions from two divisions fighting.

also, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Dawson had no problem coming down for Ward. whether it was the right thing to do or not is debatable. I give credit to Dawson though, he aint scared. I am sorry, I cant give Canelo credit if Dawson will come down 7 to fight Ward for $1 mil and this guy wont come down 7 to fight the best fighter in the world for 10 x that amount. A lot of fighters would die to be in his shoes.

 

[surv2syn]

Personally I think if Floyd is so against fighting at 154, then he shouldn't be champion in that division.

here is the thing. would you give up a title if you werent forced to do so?
Floyd thought the WBA had stripped him. He said he wanted to defend the belt. thing is, he does have WW obligations too. He just fulfilled his mando with Guerrero now the WBA has to enforce its mando. Super title mandatories only due every 18 months. The champion can defend against anyone in the rankings. The WBA can also order a box-off to determine the mandatory. Also the WBA can order Canelo to face HIS mandatory as regular champion...which is definitely due before May being that he won the belt in April. Of course you can ask for special exceptions and blah blah, but this is how convoluted shyt can get. Its easier said than done to say drop a belt because its a bargaining chip used as leverage. its the sanctioning body's job to make their champions shyt or get off the pot.

 

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I see both sides on this Floyd has every right to want the fight at 147 just like Canelo has every right to rtefuse to come down ion weight. Boxing is aboout making money and insuring the most advantages for yourself when you step in the ring. It is an advantage for Floyd to have Canelo at 147 and it is an advantage for Canelo to face Floyd at 154.
ANd coming down to 147 wouldn't be the breezsethat many want to make it out to be for canelo, he struggled to make 147 when he fought at that weight and by all reports he continues to struggle to make 154 now. He is a naturally bigger guy than the weight he fights at.
Its moot anyway because I never saw this fight happening this year anyway and figured this was just hype from both sides that was never going to materialize. So I am expecting Canelo to fight Cotto in Sept.

 

[surv2syn]

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Canelo should have no issues draining since he's young enough and used to it, Mayweather gaining to make 154 could take off the last year he has left on his career

if he were to do that, he need not come back to 147...wouldnt make sense for a fighter who's best attributes are his reflexes and footwork. he has realized that 147 is the perfect weight for him. he wants to fight at WW plain and simple, he just doesnt have any opponents at WW that are as viable as Canelo.

 

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if he were to do that, he need not come back to 147...but that doesnt make the most sense because he has realized that 147 is the perfect weight for him. he wants to fight at WW plain and simple, he just doesnt have any opponents at WW that are as viable as Canelo.

He too small for JMW where nikkas these days is rehydrating to above LHW, in their lies the problem, not to mention every Floyd fight at 147 post Canelo would be called a cherry pick cause he picking on smaller fighters, Floyd just cant win

 

[HamAndEgger]

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Canelo should have no issues draining since he's young enough and used to it, Mayweather gaining to make 154 could take off the last year he has left on his career

Canelo would be totally drained at 147. Floyd isn't a natural 154lb fighter but took fights with Oscar and Cotto at 154 because they weren't necessarily major threats either at the weight and or in their careers at that particular time. For Floyd not to take the Canelo fight at 154 simply tells me that he sees too much risk in that fight, and rightfully so. I'd be ok with a 151-152 catchweight, but a total drop for Canelo to 147 is a complete cop out of what could be a brilliant fight next year.

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

here is the thing. would you give up a title if you werent forced to do so?
Floyd thought the WBA had stripped him. He said he wanted to defend the belt. thing is, he does have WW obligations too. He just fulfilled his mando with Guerrero now the WBA has to enforce its mando. Super title mandatories only due every 18 months. The champion can defend against anyone in the rankings. The WBA can also order a box-off to determine the mandatory. Also the WBA can order Canelo to face HIS mandatory as regular champion...which is definitely due before May being that he won the belt in April. Of course you can ask for special exceptions and blah blah, but this is how convoluted shyt can get. Its easier said than done to say drop a belt because its a bargaining chip used as leverage. its the sanctioning body's job to make their champions shyt or get off the pot.

That's what I'm saying. We all know, Floyd doesn't have to fight mandotories if he doesn't want too.


Clearly the best solution to solve this shared Super Title mess is to make this a mandotory fight

Floyd will never allow that, becuase in the eyes of the fans that would make Canelo his equal.

Floyd aint gonna allow that.

Honestly I think this fight will never happen.

 

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well, at least his toe is fine.
whats that I smell?

not surprised..all the talent in the world..just not enough of a fighting heart

 

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Canelo would be totally drained at 147. Floyd isn't a natural 154lb fighter but took fights with Oscar and Cotto at 154 because they weren't necessarily major threats either at the weight and or in their careers at that particular time. For Floyd not to take the Canelo fight at 154 simply tells me that he sees too much risk in that fight, and rightfully so. I'd be ok with a 151-152 catchweight, but a total drop for Canelo to 147 is a complete cop out of what could be a brilliant fight next year.

The issue is Strictly weight, ODH and Cotto were didnt ballon damn near 20 pounds they put on 10-15 at most, had Canelo's fat ass been a respectable weight for the Trout match it would be a non issue, nikka rehydrates to lhw, what the fukk does fatboy walk around at 190

It just boils down when is enough, enough for Floyd, when he knows damn well the victory will get discredited if the fight happens in Sept.

 

[surv2syn]

I see both sides on this Floyd has every right to want the fight at 147 just like Canelo has every right to rtefuse to come down ion weight. Boxing is aboout making money and insuring the most advantages for yourself when you step in the ring. It is an advantage for Floyd to have Canelo at 147 and it is an advantage for Canelo to face Floyd at 154.
ANd coming down to 147 wouldn't be the breezsethat many want to make it out to be for canelo, he struggled to make 147 when he fought at that weight and by all reports he continues to struggle to make 154 now. He is a naturally bigger guy than the weight he fights at.
Its moot anyway because I never saw this fight happening this year anyway and figured this was just hype from both sides that was never going to materialize. So I am expecting Canelo to fight Cotto in Sept.

I agree with you but the thing about making 147 is, I dont want to hear any so called knowledgeable fan call Roy Jones a coward. he came down from 193 to 175 and lost muscle at 34 years old. Dawson came down and he is 30. Paul Williams wanted to fight Floyd at 147 at the same time his fight fell through with Pavlik at 160.

I dont want to draw this out too far but everyone always says a fighter is bigger than the weight they fight at. The question is....why are they fighting at that weight? Marketability. Pick up multiple titles in different weight classes.

Mosley was a JWW in the amatuers and went down to lightweight as a pro. Ward won gold medal as LHW, yet he is a super middleweight pro. Oscar, he damn near invented it.

The rule of thumb is...you fight at the lowest possible weight you are comfortable at. For Floyd, its 147. He didnt realize it perhaps until he fought Cotto.

Fighters always change their tune when its money or opportunity on the line. Mosley, DLH, Judah, and countless others have said they would or could not make weight to return to their former divisions only to renege when opportunities presented themselves. then they made all types of excuses to save face about hiring nutritionists and eating right when the fact is, they got lazy or were getting overpowered by stronger opponents.

If 147 isnt comfortable for Canelo, then he shouldnt come down, no matter how much he is getting paid.

 

[HamAndEgger]

The issue is Strictly weight, ODH and Cotto were didnt ballon damn near 20 pounds they put on 10-15 at most, had Canelo's fat ass been a respectable weight for the Trout match it would be a non issue, nikka rehydrates to lhw, what the fukk does fatboy walk around at 190

It just boils down when is enough, enough for Floyd, when he knows damn well the victory will get discredited if the fight happens in Sept.

Cotto I believe was 167-168 the night of the fight and Oscar was quoted as saying he was around the same. It's pretty normal to hydrate 15 sometimes 20lbs. Cotto as a Welterweight would come in at 146 at weigh in, then fight night he'd be 164-165 (Mosley fight unofficial weight was 164). Canelo IS bigger than Floyd, but nothing in resemblance to Margarito vs Pacquiao which in itself was a 20lb difference with Marg having 4" height advantage too. The issue I see is Canelo is not only bigger, but he's fast for a Jr Middleweight and has very legit power as well as having youth on his side, intangibles neither Cotto or Oscar had going into fights with Floyd. This isn't a diss to Floyd, but if Canelo was slow, plodding fighter but still had a huge fanbase, I think the fight would be made at 154 in September.