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first time I see odds for the fight

Adrien Broner -1525
Paulie Malignaggi +850


That's not even "mismatch" levels, that's "pro boxer vs a one-armed midget" levels

I saw similar to that the other day. I saw Paulie at +800. I think its too much disrespect. I would say +400 is fair. Paulie is a good fighter who has faced and beaten better opposition than Broner, so that counts for something. He could also give Broner a tougher than anticipated time. I just dont see Paulie winning though....so I guess it doesnt really matter on how competitive the fight will be. It only matters on the opinion on who is gonna win. I dont know anyone picking Paulie.

 

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Antonio Margarito planning a comeback, interesting

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Antonio Margarito planning a comeback, interesting

where'd you read this? most likely its going to be some setup with a bum in mexico but margo is finished

 

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The perfect match for him, Id buy at Mayweather Guerrero prices




They talking about, Canelo, or Chavez Jr




IMO he still mops the floor with Martinez, I would support this comeback had he stayed retired for the Cotto match, shame at Arum for making him come back early then buying out the commission's when they tried to step in, talking about his eye is better that ever. Hopefully he fully recovered so he could give the fans a few good matches to help with his money woes

 

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It's all subjective, I feel like people's personal feelings towards a fighter effects how they see the outcome of fights, positive or negative. Ajose to me was just a rough Nigerian fighter with a good chin, great stamina, fast hands, decent defense and workhorse attitude. He would give guys a tough night regardless if he was ever elite status. The fact that Matthysse punished dude for 9-10 rounds before finally stopping him was eye-opening, at least for me. I thought he had the chin to last, but dude kept catching too many CLEAN shots like

I could be wrong but he had never been knocked down either (I know that was the case with Devon Alexander)

I like to put fighters in Tiers by weightclass, like HBO does. A, B, C, D and everyone else. Ajose is in that B tier at 140. He has a fight with Mercito Gesta (power punching Filipino former lightweight title challenger) that I think, if he comes in focused, will open the door for another big fight.

Sorry for the drawn out answer

this is true which is why I warn not to get sentimental over LM. he is a fun fighter to watch. I just made the same mistake with guys like him before, getting hyped up because of their dominance at a certain level only to find out they were completely different fighters at the end of the day.

I try to be as subjective as possible. I am a Chad Dawson fan. I was hoping he would beat Ward. Weight aside, I think his boxing ability was exposed. Although I am a Dawson fan, I have to come to the realization that he is not as good a fighter as I thought he was. Now I still think he can improve but what I saw was a guy who really beats guys off athleticism. He really couldnt do that with Ward.

Yes, I am a Tyson and Judah nuthugger. When you have sentimental favorites, it clouds your judgement sometimes because you are always looking for one little excuse to give someone a chance of winning.

I try to look at boxing a little different now and more analytical because you have to look at the opponent and the style, not just the skill of the guy that you like.

 

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The perfect match for him, Id buy at Mayweather Guerrero prices




They talking about, Canelo, or Chavez Jr




IMO he still mops the floor with Martinez, I would support this comeback had he stayed retired for the Cotto match, shame at Arum for making him come back early then buying out the commission's when they tried to step in, talking about his eye is better that ever. Hopefully he fully recovered so he could give the fans a few good matches to help with his money woes

Canelo or JCCjr would be great matches for him and good paydays.
As far as mopping the floor up with Martinez....would that be Sergio Martinez?

 

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Canelo or JCCjr would be great matches for him and good paydays.
As far as mopping the floor up with Martinez....would that be Sergio Martinez?

Like I said fighters dont change their spots, they are who they are, they tweak and get a little better with age, and being that he already brutally ko'ed him he has that mental edge, Martinez in his prime he was out speeding bigger slower guys, and Chavez beat the prime out of him. The things that Murray and Chavez did, Margarito can do once again...............Is people still gonna place Serg on a pedestal by looking like absolute shyt, and getting put on his ass by another eurobum

 

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Khan lack of D dont have shyt to do with Roach, I dont see people crediting Roach for Toney's shoulder roll, your leopards spots are his spots, fighters are who they are from their ametuer days and the greats show them flashes then, in the amateurs Khan was getting slept with headgear. If anything Khan problem was sparring and getting the better of pacquaio, with the Pacquaio hype and Khans proud ways he started to say to himself that hey im whipping the best fighter in the world, and he regressed started overlooking opponents, stop boxing starting throwing them wild flurries lunging in with his chin in the air, like his bytch ass could take a punch or recover like the iron chinned manny, one decent shot and he on jelly legs the whole fight.Khan is a weird case, I had enough talking about this clown

Thank god, somebody else sees this.

Roach prolly had the best style for Khan, because he made Khan box aggressively behind the jab while throwing combo's and pretty much keeping nikkas away from that cabinet upstairs where all the glass is at. It's Khan temperament as a fighter that always fukked that up because he'd want to mix it up more than he should (Garcia fight is an example of this) Then you add the whole Manny aspect in training and how he even tried to fight like him sometimes or do that shyt where he covers up and takes hits, it was just a recipe for disaster.

Hunter is all wrong for Khan because his style makes him box at a more measured pace so dudes aren't getting blown away by the offense no more. They'll start taking more chances coming forward winging hooks and haymakers. Dude going life and death with Julio Diaz. The same Diaz that got schooled in his prime by Juan Diaz and Castillo.

Khan don't even want to avenge that Prescott loss, but then you'll have a guy like Stevenson take short money and the risk of fukking up a Dawson fight just to correct his blemish on his record.

 

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where'd you read this? most likely its going to be some setup with a bum in mexico but margo is finished

nah...I think Skip is right. he obviously would be a name Mexican guy for someone to beat up on. TR can make a lil piece of change off it too, so he dont care about throwin his ass to a GBP fighter. thats all I can see really. its pointless for him to come back and fight a bum....unless he is really broke and trying to get his own promotional firm off the ground.

 

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where'd you read this? most likely its going to be some setup with a bum in mexico but margo is finished

The Return of Antonio Margarito

Shaky source, but

 

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The Return of Antonio Margarito

Shaky source, but

margarito divorced? wife got knocked up by a family friend? has child with a new bytch? ..if this is true i never expected a boxer's life to fall apart so quickly after his career is done christ

the one thing margo did have that alot of these fighters dont was a wife/SO that was with him back when he wasn't shyt and was loyal to him. im just curious at what led to this shyt

 

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Antonio Margarito vs. Sergio Martinez (part 5 of 5) - YouTube


Like I said fighters dont change their spots, they are who they are, they tweak and get a little better with age, and being that he already brutally ko'ed him he has that mental edge, Martinez in his prime he was out speeding bigger slower guys, and Chavez beat the prime out of him. The things that Murray and Chavez did, Margarito can do once again...............Is people still gonna place Serg on a pedestal by looking like absolute shyt, and getting put on his ass by another eurobum

no. but the thing with me is, I dont always judge fighters by their last performances. everybody here was saying Zab was not going the distance with Danny, but I said he would give it a damn good go. He didnt look bad at all skillwise against Khan....he just checked out. that led to reports of his demise. this is also the reason why based on their last performances, people are expecting LM to blast through Garcia. I dont buy that either.

As much as Serge has lost...how much does Margs have left? Also, Margs aint never did nothing over 147lbs. he lost to a 144lber and I will never forget with Santos. Santos hurt him a few times. Margs was a big WW but avg to below avg size JMW.

 

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Thank god, somebody else sees this.

Roach prolly had the best style for Khan, because he made Khan box aggressively behind the jab while throwing combo's and pretty much keeping nikkas away from that cabinet upstairs where all the glass is at. It's Khan temperament as a fighter that always fukked that up because he'd want to mix it up more than he should (Garcia fight is an example of this) Then you add the whole Manny aspect in training and how he even tried to fight like him sometimes or do that shyt where he covers up and takes hits, it was just a recipe for disaster.

Hunter is all wrong for Khan because his style makes him box at a more measured pace so dudes aren't getting blown away by the offense no more. They'll start taking more chances coming forward winging hooks and haymakers. Dude going life and death with Julio Diaz. The same Diaz that got schooled in his prime by Juan Diaz and Castillo.

Khan don't even want to avenge that Prescott loss, but then you'll have a guy like Stevenson take short money and the risk of fukking up a Dawson fight just to correct his blemish on his record.

not Khan...his camp. the difference in the situation is, Khan's marketability was off the charts and would only grow once he got a title. a return KO loss to Prescott wouldve been the end of Khan. lol. Also, Prescott was undefeated so they didnt know how good he was so its best not to take a chance. Prescott made his name (literally....Khanqueror) from that fight. Stevenson shouldve never lost to Boone the first time and although a return loss wouldve been bad....odds of him losing again were much smaller than Khan losing to Prescott.

I would rematch a guy who is 19-20 anyday before I rematch a guy who is 19-0.

 

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I guess Mayweather vs. Amir Khan is next....

 

[firemanBk]

How can Margarito come back? People made it seem like he was half blind now