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[TheGodling]

Positioned by writers, correct? Ain't that the point?

If a buncha Osborn-stans wanted to follow Bendis lead after his late '00s run and kept Osborne positioned as the center of Marvel earth, then in 2028 some young 10yr TheGodlingJr. will be talking about Osborne the same way you were talking about Doom in 2008, both citing a 20 yr run of writer decisions for your perceived normalcy lol.

i.e. That normalcy will always evolve, depending on whose behind the scenes like a writer, editorial, or now Disney and MCU. Classic example spanning 56 years is Gwen or MJ as the center of Peter's world. Depending on your DOB, one will resonate strongly and the other may feel blasphemous

Of course everything is always up to the writers, but Doom's place and legacy in the Marvel universe had been cemented for more than twenty years before Hickman got to write him, so I don't see how you can say Hickman was instrumental to that. He took something that already was and made it the focal point of an event which was a spiritual successor to the crossover event that first put the character in that position.

 

[Mr. Negative]

Count Nefaria? In my read through he's ran into the X-Men twice now and has been marked out within like 2 issues each time. I guess things switch up real fast

oh. Nah, that was before he gave himself the powers from Whirlwind, the OG Power-Man (Atlas in Thunderbolts) and The Living Laser...... and multiplied their power times 100

After that?

 

[richaveli83]

Ironically around that same time as those stories, Bendis actually had Norman Osborne as the biggest earth-based bad guy and the center of attention in the marvel universe (Dark Reign thru Siege) and had Norman get his spot through opportunistic means (Secret Invasion), basically Bendis had Hickman's role before Hickman... i.e. owning most/all the Avenger titles and dictating the big events... it's just that he did a shytty job of the journey and follow-through compared to Hickman. But it still came down to taking their preferred villain and making them the surprise center piece*, altho other writers still used their wiggle room for their preferred villains in smaller mini events.

*he straight up had Norman and his lackeys save a defeated Doom from a spiteful ex-girlfriend in the dark avenger book

This was around the time I was away from comics and I wasn't a fan of making Osborn a Lex Luthor type of villain. I couldn't take him seriously as this major threat to all the marvel heroes. Then again I'm still salty that they brought him back in 1996.

 

[Primetime]

Of course everything is always up to the writers, but Doom's place and legacy in the Marvel universe had been cemented for more than twenty years before Hickman got to write him, so I don't see how you can say Hickman was instrumental to that. He took something that already was and made it the focal point of an event which was a spiritual successor to the crossover event that first put the character in that position.

"Such writers as Hickman.." was the phrase I used. That includes Mayberry and dates back 20+ years.

20 yrs from now BP's cemented place in Marvel will be a lot different to kids in 2038 than it will for those of us who got on board in '98, and they'll ask why is BP where he's at.

And my old ass will login and say "shuddup"

Id say Hickman himself was instrumental in keeping Doom and the F4 relevant at the height of Marvel's petty party against them.

 

[Primetime]

This was around the time I was away from comics and I wasn't a fan of making Osborn a Lex Luthor type of villain. I couldn't take him seriously as this major threat to all the marvel heroes. Then again I'm still salty that they brought him back in 1996.

Yea, Bendis was trying to portray Norman as this sympathetic calculating leader in the main story.. but while some writers followed his lead, others still wrote him as a goofball/dumbass in the spin offs lol

Really it was a lot to digest between that, spidey, wolverine, and Luke cage being avengers, red hood's 'promotion', and all the other status quo fukkery Bendis was strong arming

 

[Mr. Negative]

"Such writers as Hickman.." was the phrase I used. That includes Mayberry and dates back 20+ years.

20 yrs from now BP's cemented place in Marvel will be a lot different to kids in 2038 than it will for those of us who got on board in '98, and they'll ask why is BP where he's at.

And my old ass will login and say "shuddup"

Id say Hickman himself was instrumental in keeping Doom and the F4 relevant at the height of Marvel's petty party against them.

Breh... Doom been relevant and his place cemented since 1962. The FF being or not being popular never has anything to do with Doom's popularity or status in Marvel Comics.

 

[Masenko]

I'm glad my question is sparking debate and the sharing of knowledge

 

[Primetime]

Breh... Doom been relevant and his place cemented since 1962. The FF being or not being popular never has anything to do with Doom's popularity or status in Marvel Comics.

Is it the 80s or 60s now?

How far we pushing the goal post for validation? But nah, I figured the 80s was mentioned due to secret wars '84 and to not reference stuff from the 70s like Luke Cage beating his ass over $20 bucks (not adjusted for inflation).

Magneto, Doom, Kang, Red Skull, Count Nefaria to an extent, Thanos.. they all been relevant since the 60s or 70s with each having their push as the big bad. Writers will push who they want to push however.

 

[Primetime]

I'm glad my question is sparking debate and the sharing of knowledge

It's a great question and can be applied to characters like captain America as well.

Why is he considered the best leader (or whatever) in marvel?

Well there's the in-story explanation with all the platitudes and superlatives about him.

Then there's the real industry answer
:Kaep_pls:

Think of it like asking why HHH is considered the king of kings in the WWE. Before I could answer, I'd have to ask you is wrestling still real to you

 

[BXKingPin82]

It's a great question and can be applied to characters like captain America as well.

Why is he considered the best leader (or whatever) in marvel?

Well there's the in-story explanation with all the platitudes and superlatives about him.

Then there's the real industry answer
:Kaep_pls:

Think of it like asking why HHH is considered the king of kings in the WWE. Before I could answer, I'd have to ask you is wrestling still real to you

SHEEEEEEEEEIT!
Sabertooth is proving hes a pretty good leader right now!
:meloohhh:

And Warpath doubted him.


bytchass hater.

 

[voltronblack]

It's a great question and can be applied to characters like captain America as well.

Why is he considered the best leader (or whatever) in marvel?

Well there's the in-story explanation with all the platitudes and superlatives about him.

Then there's the real industry answer
:Kaep_pls:

Think of it like asking why HHH is considered the king of kings in the WWE. Before I could answer, I'd have to ask you is wrestling still real to you

sir at this point in time I think Carol Danver is thought as being the best team leader within the marvel comics universe outside of it

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[BXKingPin82]

sir at this point in time I think Carol Danver is thought as being the best team leader within the marvel comics universe outside of it

.

shyt, America Chavez crackin that chair across Carols back put her ass back in line.


she aint want no more of that Rican smoke.

 

[parallax]

SHEEEEEEEEEIT!
Sabertooth is proving hes a pretty good leader right now!
:meloohhh:

And Warpath doubted him.


bytchass hater.

It's sabertooth. That's not hating.

 

[BXKingPin82]

It's sabertooth. That's not hating.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Magneto, Doom, Kang, Red Skull, Count Nefaria to an extent, Thanos.. they all been relevant since the 60s or 70s with each having their push as the big bad.m.

Son, stop fooling yourself.