The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[Outlaw]

I never said it’s all about material benefits. I said people are hungry for change and there’s only one party offering them anything transformative.

The New Deal wasn’t just about material benefits, it was radically changing the ways the public thought about their government and their lives. The vision of Universal Healthcare does the same. It’s not just “oh, I’m saving $150 a month” like Neoliberal Democrats like to reduce everything to, it’s “the Democrats saved my wife’s life.” or “the Democrats made sure I didn’t have to spend the last days of my father’s life arguing with people trying to deny his insurance claims.” Those are not just material benefits, those are spiritual experiences that led to a whole demographic of people literally worshipping FDR.

Rural cacs don’t vote for that because the Democrats don’t even give them the option to. So it’s either the transformative vision of the right-wing MAGA fascists or the status quo vision of the Democratic Neoliberals. If you’re a rural cac who (correctly) feels like they’re on the wrong side of the prosperity see-saw, why would you ever vote for the Democrats? Saying “oh well they’re too racist and sexist to even try offering them an alternative vision” is just complete loser behavior.

Yes some number of them are too far gone down the path of bigotry to vote for a radically transformative progressive vision like the New Deal. So what? We don’t need to win them all.

Serious question, what economic plan could Ayanna Pressley run on that would win rural cacs over to voting for her in a 2028 general presidential election?


If it’s not about race or misogyny, what would be her platform in your eyes that could win her a national general election against JD Vance in 2028?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Israel’s last living hostages describe trauma of Hamas captivity — The Washington Post

Israeli hospitals are treating the former captives, freed this week as part of the ceasefire deal, according to protocols honed over two years of hostage releases.

apple.news

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Palestine 36 director Annemarie Jacir: ‘We don’t want a state, we just want to live’

Fresh from a 20-minute ovation at Toronto, the film-maker’s historical drama reveals how Britain’s 1936 crackdown created the blueprint for the ongoing genocide in Gaza

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pressure]

They’ve been priotizing hate of minorities over their own economic interests for decades. If they didn’t smooth mind would have had his proliteriat revolution years ago. Mobilizing hate is the only way republicans have been keeping power. They just have recently been getting some dummies to go along with the “candidate of change” angle for Trump. Obama Bernie (they stole it from him!) and Trump are all change agents. That’s the true mechanism of their popularity. That’s why we need the rock @Outlaw

Serious question, what economic plan could Ayanna Pressley run on that would win rural cacs over to voting for her in a 2028 general presidential election?


If it’s not about race or misogyny, what would be her platform in your eyes that could win her a national general election against JD Vance in 2028?

People keep thinking it’s not about maintaining a certain order.

I get it, it’s hard for us as black people to understand the allure of maintaining white supremacy because we don’t get to experience it in America.

But propping up white male hegemony is the name of the game.

 

[Loose]

I never said it’s all about material benefits. I said people are hungry for change and there’s only one party offering them anything transformative.

The New Deal wasn’t just about material benefits, it was radically changing the ways the public thought about their government and their lives. The vision of Universal Healthcare does the same. It’s not just “oh, I’m saving $150 a month” like Neoliberal Democrats like to reduce everything to, it’s “the Democrats saved my wife’s life.” or “the Democrats made sure I didn’t have to spend the last days of my father’s life arguing with people trying to deny his insurance claims.” Those are not just material benefits, those are spiritual experiences that led to a whole demographic of people literally worshipping FDR.

Rural cacs don’t vote for that because the Democrats don’t even give them the option to. So it’s either the transformative vision of the right-wing MAGA fascists or the status quo vision of the Democratic Neoliberals. If you’re a rural cac who (correctly) feels like they’re on the wrong side of the prosperity see-saw, why would you ever vote for the Democrats? Saying “oh well they’re too racist and sexist to even try offering them an alternative vision” is just complete loser behavior.

Yes some number of them are too far gone down the path of bigotry to vote for a radically transformative progressive vision like the New Deal. So what? We don’t need to win them all.

Democrats like to tell people what they think they're feeling instead of listening to what voters actually are feeling. It’s like, after the pandemic, I was banging on the table in here telling everyone the economy was garbage—and Biden forcing people back to work with no subsidies and restarting student loan payments was absolutely insane proposition.I was told I didn’t know what I was talking about, that inflation was slowing, and that economic anxiety voters was irrational because the stock market was up. Some people in here said voters would understand it was a different time period and that this was the “new normal.” Meanwhile, even hardcore liberals around me started going quiet on supporting Biden by early 2023. Biden would go out and chastise people on how all inflation metrics is showing people are doing fine similar to what trump is doing now.

 

[Outlaw]

Democrats like to tell people what they think they're feeling instead of listening to what voters actually are feeling. It’s like, after the pandemic, I was banging on the table in here telling everyone the economy was garbage—and Biden forcing people back to work with no subsidies and restarting student loan payments was absolutely insane proposition.I was told I didn’t know what I was talking about, that inflation was slowing, and that economic anxiety voters was irrational because the stock market was up. Some people in here said voters would understand it was a different time period and that this was the “new normal.” Meanwhile, even hardcore liberals around me started going quiet on supporting Biden by early 2023. Biden would go out and chastise people on how all inflation metrics is showing people are doing fine similar to what trump is doing now.

I’ll ask you as well. What economic plan could Ayanna Pressley run on in 2028 which would win her the rural cac vote against JD Vance?

 

[Loose]

I’ll ask you as well. What economic plan could Ayanna Pressley run on in 2028 which would win her the rural cac vote against JD Vance?

She could run on Medicare for All, besides that this is why we have primaries to figure out these things and push the Overton window of ideas to the left.


Whoever runs needs to run on expanding the government

 

[Outlaw]

She could run on Medicare for All, besides that this is why we have primaries to figure out these things and push the Overton window of ideas to the left.


Whoever runs needs to run on expanding the government

So you think if Ayanna Pressley ran on Medicare for all, she would win the rural vote?

 

[Loose]

So you think if Ayanna Pressley ran on Medicare for all, she would win the rural vote?

What's your fascination with Ayanna presley im legit confused what your point is here.

 

[Outlaw]

What's your fascination with Ayanna presley im legit confused what your point is here.

Because rural cacs aren’t voting for Ayanna Presley even if she promised them your perfect economic platform

 

[Loose]

Because rural cacs aren’t voting for Ayanna Presley even if she promised them your perfect economic platform

Honestly expect this level of posting out of TLR, I assumed you had a legitimate point.

 

[Outlaw]

Honestly expect this level of posting out of TLR, I assumed you had a legitimate point.

That is the point. Vast majority of this country is blinded by racism and misogyny. No amount of wish-casting will change that fact

 

[King Kreole]

Serious question, what economic plan could Ayanna Pressley run on that would win rural cacs over to voting for her in a 2028 general presidential election?


If it’s not about race or misogyny, what would be her platform in your eyes that could win her a national general election against JD Vance in 2028?

Again, it's not just about economics, it's about a comprehensive vision for what the government can do for you. Never having to pay another healthcare bill or fear going broke because of greedy healthcare insurance companies, redirecting the money spent on foreign military misadventures (like Israeli funding) toward fixing our (rural) communities, higher quality government services by reigning in freak oligarchs like Elon Musk and Sam Altman, these are all issues that align with the narrative of a fundamentally broken system. Instead of denying these people their feelings, we should be seeking to channel them from the villains the MAGA fascists have given them (immigrants and marginalized people) towards the actual villains (oligarchs and bad institutions).

Or we can just keep giving up by relying on comfortable narratives about the irredeemability of the public that coincidentally allow our Democratic leadership to keep grifting on McKinsey-sponsored book tours and consulting fees when they leave office having done nothing to help the average person.

 

[Loose]

That is the point. Vast majority of this country is blinded by racism and misogyny. No amount of wish-casting will change that fact

Your point is flat out stupid. If in your hypothetical world a reimagined ayanna presley was one of the better public speakers in that primary with the best policies and ideas she would win the election. Unfortunately for her in the real world she's not a top tier public speaker , she's OK at best so selling her own ideas wouldn't be easy. The entire democrat party should be running on how we can improve upon fdr not just one person. From the bottom mayoral/ district races to the top presidency

 

[King Kreole]

Democrats like to tell people what they think they're feeling instead of listening to what voters actually are feeling. It’s like, after the pandemic, I was banging on the table in here telling everyone the economy was garbage—and Biden forcing people back to work with no subsidies and restarting student loan payments was absolutely insane proposition.I was told I didn’t know what I was talking about, that inflation was slowing, and that economic anxiety voters was irrational because the stock market was up. Some people in here said voters would understand it was a different time period and that this was the “new normal.” Meanwhile, even hardcore liberals around me started going quiet on supporting Biden by early 2023. Biden would go out and chastise people on how all inflation metrics is showing people are doing fine similar to what trump is doing now.

They have a fundamental disdain for the public and democracy. It's an elitism that has completely infected the party and its stans.