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If Dana wants it to happen it will happen

Mma takes a big step foward if Dana can sell out cowboys stadium

I also think this fight will happen next.

 

[Roman Brady]

Glad he flat out said he wouldn't do it. I'm not gonna hate on him like others, though. He has absolutely zero obligation to change weight classes.

He does have an obligation to himself to practice what he preaches to the media about "my legacy" & "wanting to face the best"

 

[johnnydakota]

GSP didn't exactly say no to fighting Silva.

"This fight is the cherry on the sundae," he said. "He wants to fight me so he can then retire. I would like to fight him too, but after I fight him and win the fight, what happens next? These days, yeah, there's a lot of money to be made, but I don't fight for the money. My motivation is to be the best. Like we said, to be the Wayne Gretzky of my sport. So if I fight him, what happens next? It will be over. So yes, I want the fight, but I want to take it when I decide the time is right, not when he wants the fight to happen.

"On top of that, he weighs 234 pounds; I weigh 188. So there's a big weight difference. I've fought guys who were bigger -- I'm not scared of him -- it's just that I will take this fight when it makes sense for me. I just came back from an injury, there's money to be made, there are fights in my weight class, other challenges out there, and if I fight him, I will have to gain weight, while he will have to lose weight, and then afterwards, I won't be able to come back to my weight class.

"First and foremost, I have things to do at 170 pounds. When I am ready and when I want the fight, that's when it will happen."

Georges St-Pierre: Anderson Silva fight will happen on my terms, not his - MMA Fighting

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Silva should fight Bones...It will be a more interesting fight, since both have a muay thai type of style, and Bones has the wrestling on top of that...

GSP vs Silva will be another Sonnen vs Silva...But GSP is better than Sonnen...So, he has a chance of winning if his jaw doesnt get caught lacking...

But these talks of "super fights" are an indication of how the UFC product is declining in quality...

 

[The Infamous]

I have ZERO interest in Jones VS Silva. Jones would kill Anderson. I don't know why anyone would want to see that. He can take him down and sub him at any time he'd like. Jones is the strongest LHW on the planet. He'd have no problem with Silva. The only Jones fights i'm interest in are at Heavyweight.

Silva needs to just fight Bisping/Rockhold/etc... And GSP needs to fight Diaz/Hendricks/Maia. etc..

MW is the most stacked it's ever been with SF coming in and WW is stacked as well.

Throw the superfights in the bushes. Even though it's good business since the UFC is hurting they'd help pull the brand back up.

I have Jones winning against Silva, but he definitely would not 'kill' him. In what way would he kill Silva?

I usually agree with you, but subbing Silva anytime he wants? come on breh

 

[The Infamous]

He does have an obligation to himself to practice what he preaches to the media about "my legacy" & "wanting to face the best"

He has faced the very best [in his division].

If the GSP fight falls apart, you know who Silva and his management want? Michael fukkin Bisping. Not Weidman, who is more deserving and is actually somewhat of a legitimate threat. But Michael Bisping, who's only chance is some sort of divine intervention. Bisping's odds are as close to zero as you can get in MMA.

Continue spewing your BS though.

 

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I have Jones winning against Silva, but he definitely would not 'kill' him. In what way would he kill Silva?

I usually agree with you, but subbing Silva anytime he wants? come on breh

Anderson's bottom game consists of resting with his head/back completely flat on the mat and trying to go palm to palm with a grip until it's stood up. He also doesn't try to stand up. He doesn't mind being punched on the bottom but it won't work with the elbows.

That's the absolute worst bottom game to use against Jones. It lends itself to get elbowed to a pulp.

Jones can also take down Anderson anytime he wants and overpower him to get a sub when he feels like it. His long arms also allow him to do chokes that NOBODY in the UFC can do except for him.

Bonnar said Jones was the strongest guy he ever dealt with. Nog talked about how he trained with Jones for a bit and he was one of the physically strongest guys he ever dealt with including all HW's.

I hate Jones more than any other fighter in the history of sports. Besides Chael he's actually the only fighter I don't like. Anderson is my favorite fighter and I'd love for him to win but Jones game would win out in this. They wouldn't stand that long.

 

[FaTaL]

Anderson's bottom game consists of resting with his head/back completely flat on the mat and trying to go palm to palm with a grip until it's stood up. He also doesn't try to stand up. He doesn't mind being punched on the bottom but it won't work with the elbows.

That's the absolute worst bottom game to use against Jones. It lends itself to get elbowed to a pulp.

Jones can also take down Anderson anytime he wants and overpower him to get a sub when he feels like it. His long arms also allow him to do chokes that NOBODY in the UFC can do except for him.

Bonnar said Jones was the strongest guy he ever dealt with. Nog talked about how he trained with Jones for a bit and he was one of the physically strongest guys he ever dealt with including all HW's.

I hate Jones more than any other fighter in the history of sports. Besides Chael he's actually the only fighter I don't like. Anderson is my favorite fighter and I'd love for him to win but Jones game would win out in this. They wouldn't stand that long.

jones also exposes himself to arm bars when he throws those elbows, it would be a fun fight to watch either way

bonnar might say jones is the strongest guy hes ever faught but anderson is the one who threw him against the cage and knocked his azz out while on roids

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Anderson's bottom game consists of resting with his head/back completely flat on the mat and trying to go palm to palm with a grip until it's stood up. He also doesn't try to stand up. He doesn't mind being punched on the bottom but it won't work with the elbows.

That's the absolute worst bottom game to use against Jones. It lends itself to get elbowed to a pulp.

Jones can also take down Anderson anytime he wants and overpower him to get a sub when he feels like it. His long arms also allow him to do chokes that NOBODY in the UFC can do except for him.

Bonnar said Jones was the strongest guy he ever dealt with. Nog talked about how he trained with Jones for a bit and he was one of the physically strongest guys he ever dealt with including all HW's.

I hate Jones more than any other fighter in the history of sports. Besides Chael he's actually the only fighter I don't like. Anderson is my favorite fighter and I'd love for him to win but Jones game would win out in this. They wouldn't stand that long.

Serious question though... why do so many people hate Jon Jones so much?

 

[Roman Brady]

He has faced the very best [in his division].

what like matt sera? bj penn? x2 bloated lws thiago alves?dan hardy x2 strikers we know for their worldclass TDD/groundgame (who he still couldnt finish) ahh u must've meant shields who hasnt proved anything accept he can hold down an old hendo

Continue spewing your BS though.

took the words outta my mouth

If the GSP fight falls apart, you know who Silva and his management want? Michael fukkin Bisping. Not Weidman, who is more deserving and is actually somewhat of a legitimate threat. But Michael Bisping, who's only chance is some sort of divine intervention. Bisping's odds are as close to zero as you can get in MMA.

But I bet you are in the crowd that had no problem with the twisted logic used to justify sonnen's titleshot right? How hard is it to understand the method behind AS tactics.He already put it out there that he wants to go another 5 but the ufc arent clamoring to extend.If he indeed has only 2 fights left surely its up to him who that should be.Bisbing is obviously the bigger name and has a comparable ufc record to weidman (who is gettin gassed to the gills just cuz he hasnt lost


Weidman still needs to get his feet wet he aint ready to box with the king

 

[mr_metoo]

GSP will give the same reason he has always. He doesn;t wanna be Silvas cash cow. Silva already said he is willing to fight GSP then Jones. GSP makes enough money to where he doesn't need the fight but he needs to stop talking about his legacy if that's the case. GSP is closer is size to Silva than Silva is to Jones so right?

 

[The Infamous]

Anderson's bottom game consists of resting with his head/back completely flat on the mat and trying to go palm to palm with a grip until it's stood up. He also doesn't try to stand up. He doesn't mind being punched on the bottom but it won't work with the elbows.

That's the absolute worst bottom game to use against Jones. It lends itself to get elbowed to a pulp.

Jones can also take down Anderson anytime he wants and overpower him to get a sub when he feels like it. His long arms also allow him to do chokes that NOBODY in the UFC can do except for him.

Bonnar said Jones was the strongest guy he ever dealt with. Nog talked about how he trained with Jones for a bit and he was one of the physically strongest guys he ever dealt with including all HW's.

I hate Jones more than any other fighter in the history of sports. Besides Chael he's actually the only fighter I don't like. Anderson is my favorite fighter and I'd love for him to win but Jones game would win out in this. They wouldn't stand that long.

I pretty much agree with your assessment, aside from the subbing Anderson part. A submission win is possible for Jones, but it's NOT going to be done with ease and it's not going to happen anytime he feels like it.

I think Jones would win as well. I just believe that in the time the fight remains standing, Anderson's odds of getting a stoppage are pretty good.

what like matt sera? bj penn? x2 bloated lws thiago alves?dan hardy x2 strikers we know for their worldclass TDD/groundgame (who he still couldnt finish) ahh u must've meant shields who hasnt proved anything accept he can hold down an old hendo

But I bet you are in the crowd that had no problem with the twisted logic used to justify sonnen's titleshot right? How hard is it to understand the method behind AS tactics.He already put it out there that he wants to go another 5 but the ufc arent clamoring to extend.If he indeed has only 2 fights left surely its up to him who that should be.Bisbing is obviously the bigger name and has a comparable ufc record to weidman (who is gettin gassed to the gills just cuz he hasnt lost


Weidman still needs to get his feet wet he aint ready to box with the king

@ Bolded. When GSP fought BJ Penn the first time he [BJ] was ranked as either the 1st or 2nd best WW in the world. He was also in the top 5 pound for pound rankings. YOU'RE A fukkIN IDIOT for this one. When he fought BJ Penn the second time, he [BJ] was the consensus #1 LW and again, top 5 pound for pound fighter in the world. Also, BJ went up in weight and CHALLENGED GSP for the title.

When GSP fought Thiago Alves, Thiago was the consensus #2 WW in the world. Alves was known for his excellent TDD to go along with his world-class striking. GSP still took him down, beat him up, and out-striked him with absolute EASE. The number 2 WW in the world is not a good win? I don't know what to say to an idiot like you.

Dan Hardy was a top 4-6 WW when GSP beat him.

Shields was a top 3 WW when GSP beat him, he was also ranked in the top 10 pound for pound. Also, his wins over Okami, Daley, Condit, Kampmann and Miller didn't happen all of sudden? That's good to know.

The reason Serra got a chance at GSP was because both TUF 4 winners got title shots [Cote with the MW title and Serra]. Also, when GSP faced him the second time, Serra was ranked as a top 2 WW.

So you're discrediting wins over: - BJ Penn x 1 (top 2 WW and top 5 pound for pound]

- BJ Penn x 2 [#1 LW and top 5 pound for pound]

- Dan Hardy [top 4-6 WW]

- Thiago Alves [# 2 WW in the world, second to only GSP]

- Jake Shields [top 2 WW and top 10 pound for pound]

WOW, you're a lot fukkin dumber than I thought.

@ Second paragraph. If you're talking about a title shot against Bones, Chael shouldn't be anywhere near a LHW title shot. If you're talking about Chael's first shot against the MW title, he was the most deserving at the time and he was coming off 3 wins, 2 of which were top 10 wins (over Okami and Marquardt). I don't really have a problem with his second title shot as well. He was coming off 2 good wins (Bisping and Stann) and he was the #2 MW in the world (behind only Andy). I would've liked one more good win, but what actually happened definitely wasn't ridiculous in any sense.

The main reason why AS wants Bisping is because the fight will very likely be the easiest title defence he's ever had (or at least up there as one of the easiest).

Weidman is much more deserving than Bisping. It's not even close.

This is all coming from someone who is a bigger fan of Andy than GSP.

 

[The Infamous]

Even though Dan Hardy was a top 10 win, I know that we can all agree that he was overrated as fukk.

 

[The Infamous]

My rankings for above were based on:

Fighters with the most top 10 wins - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums

Rankings in above thread are from reputable MMA sites.

 

[The Infamous]

Serious question though... why do so many people hate Jon Jones so much?

For me and a lot of other people:

1) He's steamrolled fan favorites and 'old school' legends. Shogun, Rampage (recently, not as much) and Machida all have a very strong fan base. Memories of Bones/Shogun still get to me

2) He's not what he portrays himself to be.

3) He's THAT good. When you're at the top, there are always going to be people that dislike you.