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[Roman Brady]

I don't know what to make of this.... I was going to say this Canadian is scared of the goat... but when you listen to him, he makes some Very good points.

Y! SPORTS
The knee injury sidelined the champion for 19 months, and new contenders emerged in his absence.

“I need to do stuff in my division before I take (a superfight) because it has moved now,” said St-Pierre.

If that were true then wouldnt he have immediately faced the number 1 contender as soon as he came off his "injury".No instead he faced a dude coming off a loss who had been suspended a year why u ask? for the munay

If he were to accept a fight with Silva at middleweight, he’d be at a considerable size disadvantage.

“Anderson Silva is very big. He’s 230 pounds. He’s a very big guy, walking around very big and I’m 190 pounds. It’s a lot of weight difference. If this fight happens one day, we’re going to have to decide what weight class and everything,” he said.

same old shyt same old shyt

“I don’t do a lot of cutting. It would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting at 185. I would be more at my weight naturally. There’s guys at 155 that walk around 190 like me,” said St-Pierre. “They think I’m big because I have a large frame, but I’m not a big guy. I’m not thick.”

so this guy has made a career of outwrestling WWs and thinks the next challenge would be to outwrestle lightweights who are 15lbs smaller? i thought the saying was "upwards and onwards" not "downwards and backwards"

@houston911 So the title of this thread is going to remain mma in 2012, for infinity?

its not that serious

 

[Master Teacher]

that double hand movement before he would strike veered on bafoonery to me.I always thought "showboating" is to make your opponent look foolish as u clown them.It is not the "showboater" that should look the clown, which he did
how good would he be in the wrestling laden welterweight division tho? if u dont know what his wrestling is like sl ur roll

Your the only person who think he looks foolish, I bet you wouldn't say he looked like a monkey to his face with your bytch ass. He finished him with a fukking TORNADO KICK and then posed, thats showsmanship if I ever seen any.

Name a wrestler who is dominate in MMA now, them days over dawg, motherfukkers stuff taking downs, and if goes to the ground wrestlers stay getting submitted

GSP is the only one, and dude hasn't looked good in years

 

[Blackking]

Dana gives a lot of respect for Anderson Silva but not so much if hes in the ring being paid to fight and is doing silly showboating thats degrading to his opponent and has nothing to do with the fight. I think you're new to this whole thing, friend. There is no fighter in the UFC that is one discipline. They train to defend themselves against other styles so in turn they are more than whatever their strength discipline is. Its called martial Arts for a reason, friend. You start with a foundation and then you add new branches to your skillset to express your skillset.

If you know guys that do kung fu that would not get beat in the UFC please give Dana White a call. Its easy to romanticize the skillset of people who adhere to tradition but its a fault to disregard the skillset of people who showcase their skills to the world on a regular basis in a more controlled environment. If you're that good of a fighter that you cant fight unless there are no rules, how good are you really? I mean, you dont think these guys train for street fighting? Many of them have been security guards and have many publicized street fights with other fighters, strangers, multiple bouncers, etc. Imagine these fighters with no rules, friend. Just because they have to adapt to the competition doesnt mean they are programmed to fight that way in the street.

These are the best fighters in the world. In the early days of the UFC you saw more varied martial artists. These guys got weeded out because they could no longer compete, friend. Respect mixed martial arts. As someone whos put thousands of hours into the mat i believe it deserves respect. MMA is kung fu.

There are muy thai fights on this planet, friend, that could beat up many fighters in the UFC. I'm not saying they could beat up someone as trained in that same skill as Anderson Silva.. I'm not a muythai fighter. and i'm not romanticizing it, but it takes more than just being a good fighter to enter into the UFC.

I didn't say UFC fighters weren't good fighters, or couldn't fight in street fights... I'm not new to this. Plus it's not a diss to UFC. But as far as MMA goes some of the competition rules aren't good for fighters who have only been trained to fight in certain ways.
Why are you explaining about learning different Martial Arts n all that stuff?.. my favorite fighters know multiple skill sets. I'm in the process of learning multiple styles and I've been very dedicated to what I'm currently doing. R u upset because I said if you only know BJJ and wrestling-Ur mediocre. That's just true. It's true when people have stand up and ground game combinations.

Anderson Silva is not a god or something... so y r you dikkriding Dana White and those guys? Because anderson is not a god, there has to be multiple people in the world at his level, yet they put him in the ring with people that he can just have fun with - how is that his fault? how is he disrespectful? Y would he take one punch from an unworthy opponent? I wouldn't.. I would get my money, go home to my kids, like he did.

lol, so ur the only one who spends hours on the mat? well then friend..... everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I feel that rolling around on a mat makes you one dimensional if you know nothing else. Especially if the opponent knows that's basically all u know. For example if I met you, I would know that that's u... so I would translate hours of take down defense practice- to protect against that... you will def need more than bjj because most people these days, even traditional people train in the ground sh1t and wrestling..

Your the only person who think he looks foolish, I bet you wouldn't say he looked like a monkey to his face with your bytch ass. He finished him with a fukking TORNADO KICK and then posed, thats showsmanship if I ever seen any.

Name a wrestler who is dominate in MMA now, them days over dawg, motherfukkers stuff taking downs, and if goes to the ground wrestlers stay getting submitted

GSP is the only one, and dude hasn't looked good in years

basically.

 

[Roman Brady]

Your the only person who think he looks foolish, I bet you wouldn't say he looked like a monkey to his face with your bytch ass. He finished him with a fukking TORNADO KICK and then posed, thats showsmanship if I ever seen any.

if you dont know how to read maybe you should just shut your trap before you embarrass yourself.

Name a wrestler who is dominate in MMA now, them days over dawg, motherfukkers stuff taking downs, and if goes to the ground wrestlers stay getting submitted

GSP is the only one, and dude hasn't looked good in years

its not about looking good or dominating mma, its about usin that discipline under the unified rules to get the W without engaging in a fight.U seem a bit wet behind the ears, so just see the carmont/larkin fight to find out what i mean

 

[FaTaL]

why does gsp keep talking about the weight difference, if he did fight silva on fight night he'll be heavier anyways

this is a guy who outweighed by penn bj at least 25 pounds on their fight nights and hes talking about weight

 

[Master Teacher]

if you dont know how to read maybe you should just shut your trap before you embarrass yourself.
its not about looking good or dominating mma, its about usin the unified rules to get the W without engaging in a fight.U seem a bit wet behind the ears, just see the carmont/larkin fight to find out what i mean

Your not making any sense.

Answer this name one wrestler on top of his division, one MMA fighter who's primary style is wrestling.

The only one is GSP, and he's looked very unimpressive, and gets busted up a lot.

Then you have Chael Sonnen, the man with no notable victories in the UFC
couldn't bust a grape, and he finished with a silver medal, he was a loser even in his own sport

Also what can a wrestler do if he can't get the take down, oh yeah, get beat up.

BJJ> over wrestling

the gracies might not be shyt anymore, but BJJ is a must learn just so you can be able to defend against it

You can out strike wrestlers and you can submit wrestlers off your back

which is why in modern mma a Randy Conture type fighter wouldn't amount to shyt

 

[Mr. Somebody]

There are muy thai fights on this planet, friend, that could beat up many fighters in the UFC. I'm not saying they could beat up someone as trained in that same skill as Anderson Silva.. I'm not a muythai fighter. and i'm not romanticizing it, but it takes more than just being a good fighter to enter into the UFC.

I didn't say UFC fighters weren't good fighters, or couldn't fight in street fights... I'm not new to this. Plus it's not a diss to UFC. But as far as MMA goes some of the competition rules aren't good for fighters who have only been trained to fight in certain ways.
Why are you explaining about learning different Martial Arts n all that stuff?.. my favorite fighters know multiple skill sets. I'm in the process of learning multiple styles and I've been very dedicated to what I'm currently doing. R u upset because I said if you only know BJJ and wrestling-Ur mediocre. That's just true. It's true when people have stand up and ground game combinations.

Anderson Silva is not a god or something... so y r you dikkriding Dana White and those guys? Because he's not a god, there has to be multiple people in the world at his level, yet they put him in the ring with people that he can just have fun with - how is that his fault. Y would he take one punch from an unworthy opponent?

lol, so ur the only one who spends hours on the mat? well then friend..... everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I feel that rolling around on a mat makes you one dimensional if you know nothing else. Especially if the opponent knows that's basically all u know. For example if I met you, I would know that that's u... so I would translate hours of take down defense practice- to protect against that... you will def need more than bjj because most people these days, even traditional people train in the ground sh1t and wrestling..

Just because i disagree with some of your points doesnt mean im upset. Im having a conversation. Im not d-riding anyone. Im giving you information that counters some of the points you're making which that arent in alignment with the truth. You're saying Damien Maia does kung fu, which makes no sense. Please dont turn the conversation, into something else.

Im sure there are some fighters in the world who are not in the UFC who can beat UFC fighters but until they step up to do so theres really no point in speculating about what they can and cannot do. Everyone, knows a guy, friend. The point im making here is that everyone in the UFC has a strong foundation on the ground that transcends a few hours of training to defend takedowns, friend. There are no non accredited wrestlers or bjj guys in the ufc that are making noise.

I said that to say that traditional martial artists like kung fu guys get annihilated and cant compete because their ground work is weak. There are some guys who have studied kung fu and are in the ufc. Dan hardy, Cung le, Roy Nelson are guys who have studied Kung fu and all of these guys have have also put in the work on the ground beyond a few hours to prepare adequately for their fights.

BJJ and muay thai are my disciplines, which is what i mean by mat friend. My strength is my jiujitsu and my striking is good too. You should see your friend Mr. Somebody hit the speedbag. Its like bllllddddldldldlldldldldldl, friend.

 

[Roman Brady]

Your not making any sense.

How do you work that out? when even a halfwit knows american mma is heavily geared towards wrestlers. The truth is you have no idea what his TDD is like and for some reason are trying to change the topic at hand.

Being based in London its not a stretch to assume his wrestling is putrid & not UFC ready.So hed just be another athletic/explosive/flashy striker that to his credit has jitz but would fail miserably once pitted against more well rounded fighters who would opt for a risk adverse style. Its just the way it is

 

[Master Teacher]

How do you work that out? when even a halfwit knows american mma is heavily geared towards wrestlers. The truth is you have no idea what his TDD is like and for some reason are trying to change the topic at hand.

Being based in London its not a stretch to assume his wrestling is putrid & not UFC ready.So hed just be another athletic/explosive/flashy striker that to his credit has jitz but would fail miserably once pitted against more well rounded fighters who would opt for a risk adverse style. Its just the way it is

You still haven't answered the fukking question

 

[Roman Brady]

You still haven't answered the fukking question

And you clearly havent watched larkin/carmont cuz if u had you would have a better overview of this topic & realize u went off tangent.Harping about something thats well irrelevant to this discussion

 

[Blackking]

Just because i disagree with some of your points doesnt mean im upset. Im having a conversation. Im not d-riding anyone. Im giving you information that counters some of the points you're making which that arent in alignment with the truth. You're saying Damien Maia does kung fu, which makes no sense. Please dont turn the conversation, into something else.

Im sure there are some fighters in the world who are not in the UFC who can beat UFC fighters but until they step up to do so theres really no point in speculating about what they can and cannot do. Everyone, knows a guy, friend. The point im making here is that everyone in the UFC has a strong foundation on the ground that transcends a few hours of training to defend takedowns, friend. There are no non accredited wrestlers or bjj guys in the ufc that are making noise.

I said that to say that traditional martial artists like kung fu guys get annihilated and cant compete because their ground work is weak. There are some guys who have studied kung fu and are in the ufc. Dan hardy, Cung le, Roy Nelson are guys who have studied Kung fu and all of these guys have have also put in the work on the ground beyond a few hours to prepare adequately for their fights.

BJJ and muay thai are my disciplines, which is what i mean by mat friend. My strength is my jiujitsu and my striking is good too. You should see your friend Mr. Somebody hit the speedbag. Its like bllllddddldldldlldldldldldl, friend.

lol, ok friend... I was starting to get worried, because you basically only used to speak ground.

And I was saying Maia uses all his techniques.. I but yea he's known for his grappling. But I never thought about the part in ur post that I bolded about the ufc fighters. It makes sense tho.. which is y I'm so focused on the bjj right now, which is y I'm going switch soon to this beast ass place that I visited a few times.

However, I still disagree with what you about dana and the UFC - they don't hype of Silva the way they should, they should have defended him - because they r the ones that aren't scouting and developing people enuf in order to provide good matches for him. RT, chanel sonnen shouldn't even have any upcoming fights. That's the stuff right there that makes them very low in my eyes.

What was up with Maia?.. it doesn't matter who it is.. if someone is clowning around why can't you take them down?? what happened with silva?
anyway... this sh1t is always funny to me

 

[Master Teacher]

And you clearly havent watched larkin/carmont cuz if u had you would have a better overview of this topic & realize u went off tangent.Harping about something thats well irrelevant to this discussion

I rest my case, you can't real fighters fight they don't wrestle

how often is an mma finished by a straight up wrestling technique, it's either striking or BJJ

 

[Mr. Somebody]

lol, ok friend... I was starting to get worried, because you basically only used to speak ground.

And I was saying Maia uses all his techniques.. I but yea he's known for his grappling. But I never thought about the part in ur post that I bolded about the ufc fighters. It makes sense tho.. which is y I'm so focused on the bjj right now, which is y I'm going switch soon to this beast ass place that I visited a few times.

However, I still disagree with what you about dana and the UFC - they don't hype of Silva the way they should, they should have defended him - because they r the ones that aren't scouting and developing people enuf in order to provide good matches for him. RT, chanel sonnen shouldn't even have any upcoming fights. That's the stuff right there that makes them very low in my eyes.

What was up with Maia?.. it doesn't matter who it is.. if someone is clowning around why can't you take them down?? what happened with silva?
anyway... this sh1t is always funny to me Demian Maia - First professional MMA fight - YouTube

Maia was afraid of Anderson, thats what happened.

 

[baltimore]

You still haven't answered the fukking question

cool out homie you reaching with this whole no dominant wrestlers in ufc and sonnen hasnt beat anyone notable..

cain and jon jones both got and keep their belts with takedowns and ground and pound.. shyt the number one contenders in the lower weight classes are wrestlers..

shyt there are a couple wrestlers who have never been submitted and plenty more with maybe one or two in decade long careers..

 

[Mr. Somebody]

I rest my case, you can't real fighters fight they don't wrestle

how often is an mma finished by a straight up wrestling technique, it's either striking or BJJ

Wrestling is used for takedowns and control for ground and pound. You're right though. Wrestling should be used to set up striking. Wrestling does have many submissions though. The arm triangle is a wrestling submission.