I watched the fight... can u elaborate?
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I watched the fight... can u elaborate?
This man was afraid....... THis man?
Grappling credentials
ADCC World Submission Wrestling Championships
ADCC 2007 77–87 kg: 1st place
ADCC 2005 77–87 kg: 2nd place
CBJJ World Championships
2001 Brown Belt Medio-Pesado: 2nd Place
2000 Purple Belt Medio-Pesado: 1st Place
1999 Blue Belt Medio: 2nd Place
CBJJ Brazilian Championships
2006 Black Belt Absolute: 2nd Place & Black Belt Medium Heavy: =3rd Place
2002 Brown Belt Medio-Pesado: 3rd Place
2001 Brown Belt Medio-Pesado: 1st Place & Brown Belt Medio-Pesado: =3rd Place
CBJJ Brazilian Team Championships
2003 Brown/Black Pesada: Master, 1st Place
2002 Brown/Black Pesada: Alliance, 2nd Place
2001 Brown/Black Pesada: Alliance, 1st Place
2000 Purple Belt Pesada: Alliance, 1st Place
CBJJO Copa Del Mundo
2005 −85 kg Black Belt: 1st Place
2003 Black Belt Meio Pesado: 3rd Place & Black Belt Absolute: 1st Place
2002 Black Belt Meio Pesado: 1st Place & Black Belt Absolute: 2nd Place
Mixed martial arts
Ultimate Fighting Championship
Submission of the Night (Four times)
Super Challenge
Super Challenge Tournament 182.6 lbs/83 kg (Winner)
FIGHT! Magazine
Newcomer of the Year (2008) [41]
Awards
ADCC World Submission Wrestling Championships
2007 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Champion
2005 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Runner-Up
Super Challenge
2007 Super Challenge under-83 kg Champion
Pan American Championships
2006 Pan American Champion
World Cup
3x World Cup champion
CBJJ World Championships
2x World Champion
CBJJ Brazilian Championships
Brazilian champion
7x State champion
CBJJ Brazilian Team Championships
4x Brazilian team champion
I guess that striking is what makes the difference.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Yes, in that fight he didnt expend any energy trying to take Anderson down. He was hoping it would just fall in his lap and it never did so anderson poked at him to avoid being caught in a takedown and Maia stood in front of him waiting for him to make a mistake. This is why the fight ended in a decision. Neither fighter wanted to commit.
yo, I hope and pray for the day when fighters are soo good at defense and strikes, and defenses against getting ur brains kicked out - that Silva has to show the world hs true BJJ skills. I don't feel like we've even seen it yet. I was hoping dude with all his Maia accolades would try Silva, and have Silva counter and submit him faster than Maia did the dude in his first mma fight.
I know wrestling has submission but when in recent history as someone been finished by a wrestling move, Im talking about notable matches skilled elite fighters
Only one I can recall is Brock Lesnar with the head crank
Stand up is becoming more and more dominate in MMA, because guys can get back up to their feet
A guy who is all wrestler and little bit of everything else is not going to compete.
Jon Jones is not a great wrestler, he's good enough to negate that shyt when facing somebody who's main arsenal is wrestling. When Jon Jones fights he doesn't go into the fight trying to wrestle his opponent, so you can't use him has an example.
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
and herein lies the problem, what the hell does this have to do with page being susceptible to wrestlers who will beat him easily just by clock watching
its like you suffer from autism or something its actually quite disquietingand herein lies the problem, what the hell does this have to do with page being susceptible to wrestlers who will beat him easily just by clock watching
How can you say that? How do you know they will be able to take him down, and why does that have to do with him needing to be in the UFC to add some more excitement.
And even if they take him down, how do you know he won't be able to get back up, or submit them, dude is a real martial artist,
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Silva has to win fights, his way. Thats all he has to do. He isnt a BJJ fighter, Maia is. Andersons base is striking and he has solidified that by having a black belt in BJJ in preparation for the ground. Hes getting old now though so i doubt we're going to see that, just for the heck of it, friend.
Screwface Exchange
All Star
I use to think that Stann's takedown defense was horrid, but then I rewatched some of his loses, and came away he has good take down defense. He got taken down by Sonnen and Phil Davis, Davis fight was at 205 and both he and Sonnen are world class wrestlers. Sonnen has taken down some of the best, ahem Anderson Silva at will. If GSP went up, Stann would be a great warm up match for him, GSP could test if strong enough to get Stann down, and if can handle the striking of Mr. Stann. Anybody who can finish mr leben's and his hard head I gotta give sum sorta credit too.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
No one wants to be on the ground, friend. You eat too much punishment to end the fight, which is why submissions are used when one of the opponents is weakened. Its for *finishing* moves not so much a primary offensive weapon. The days of taking abuse like Royce Gracie are over. The ground game is great for offense during emergencies, or quick surprises but as a primary offensive weapon, its not as common anymore. Damien Maia is respresenting right now though. Taking little damage and keeping control on the ground. Most guys just want to bang it out and avoid the takedown or just use it to score points and ground n pound.
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
If u truly watched it i shouldnt have to elaborate on anything.It was another in a long line of travesties where the unified rules favored the wrestler for doing nothing but repeatedly attempting TDs. Successfully completing 1 then stalling.All the significant strikes, TDDs and sub defense came from lhis opponent but it didnt score as highly.
The point of using this to anchor my argument about page is just being a great striker with jitz isnt enough in the ufc surely not enough if u are thinking of being a welterweight because we know that division has a slew of wrestlers
I think his philosophy on fighting and life and family are his biggest strengths. I also, feel that's why he doesn't vibe well with the culture of the league and owners- at times.
Anyway, back to one of my original points... you point out the strength of wresting n all that but Silva has submitted some World class Top of the line bjj and wrestlers.. and he is a stand up person who just learn some ground. Stand up Martial arts is what gets you knocking out 17 of the best fighters on the planet and submitting the wrestlers. At almost 40 years old... who can you say would give him a good match in the UFC???
and u say he has to win fights his way, he used to get sh1t from people saying that his ground game is weak - but I feel it's one of the strongest and he just doesn't have to use it. Also, if a person gets in the ring with him who is BJJ... all he has to do is switch back and forth between southpaw and not go for the take-down. Walk away without a scratch.
I agree with you.. I was just saying how the rules favor some.. just saying it to mr movement.
You missing the point like the other guy. Damien Maia is a one trick pony, he's great a BJJ nothing else. Silva is great a striking and has a black belt in BJJ, so he can avoid being sucked in Maia's game, which is why Maia had no chance to win, and got clowned.
Chael with all his wrestling could not finish Silva after controlling him on the ground for five rounds, he got finished by Silva twice so it's pretty much a giving if the fight again Silva would win,.
An elite level striker can learn to stuff take downs a lot faster than a wrestler can become slick on his feet. If the striker can get back to his feet repeatedly, what other options does the wrestler have, the fight is over.
An Elite level striker doesn't have to master wrestling in order to negate it
There's a reason why Anderson has dominated as long as he has
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
didnt bisbing also take down stann too? and the leben that got KOd by stann was over the limit on painkillers no?
because hes based in london and has always been based in london.Which isnt known for wrestling? non to speak of on the school curriculum or college level = you arent likely to have competent coaches = or fighters with such skill its just common sense