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A small boxer like Floyd isn't going to hurt a guy like Jones period. If all things were equal and they were only boxing of course Floyd wins. If he only boxed and Jones only used MMA stand up? Who knows. But both at their respective sizes...no.

I don't much care about the MMA vs Boxing argument because you'll never convince people, but people don't get how much size matters when it comes to trained athletes. That fantasy of Bruce Lee size guys hurting larger fighters just isn't true. There's only so much size you can give up.

 

[Master Teacher]

A small boxer like Floyd isn't going to hurt a guy like Jones period. If all things were equal and they were only boxing of course Floyd wins. If he only boxed and Jones only used MMA stand up? Who knows. But both at their respective sizes...no.

I don't much care about the MMA vs Boxing argument because you'll never convince people, but people don't get how much size matters when it comes to trained athletes. That fantasy of Bruce Lee size guys hurting larger fighters just isn't true. There's only so much size you can give up.

Until Jon Jones faces a fighter with legit hands I don't wanna hear about this nikka doing anything in the boxing ring, he woudln't be able to do anything, because boxing is about footwork and head movement something he doesn't have.

Of course Jon Jones would beat up Floyd in a street fight, because he outweighs him by over 50 pounds and is a trained fighter. However, the wladmir has the reach and the size to KO him with one punch on the street, in the octagon, wherever.

Here's guy Mayweather size talking about the difficulty it would be to fight them standing up even with kickboxing rules




Jon Jones just learned how to fight 6 years ago, and he think he's on pace on becoming the world's greatest martial artist.
The truth is the UFC guys aren't that athletic besides GSP, Silva

Floyd is a small guy, but he is a gifted athlete as well as a skilled boxer
Floyd's father taught him everything, but he could not move like Floyd Jr in the ring or execute like him, he has raw ability he was born with.

Jon Jones is an okay athlete, I will not say he is gifted athletic in comparison to other people his size, but the UFC fighters are not gifted athletes

Imagined if Lebron James was a trained fighter, he would decimate Jon Jones pretty easily. Jones immediate is pretty would still beat him, if they fought in close space, and his pretty isn't a trained fighter at all.

Much how Heavyweight boxing has gone to the shyt, because there are no gifted athletes in those weights taking part in the sport

 

[Master Teacher]

In an MMA fight? Idiotic post.

Cain would toss him around like he was a small child, Wlad would receive the beating of his life.

That's a possibility, but already seen Cain get KO by JDS

Its also possibility that Cain would get KO's by Wladimir before he has a chance to take him down, being the Wladimir has a great reach advantage
and is a large man in general

 

[Blackking]

MMA doesn't cater to BJJ, it does a bit for wrestling though. Based on what I've heard and seen, wing chun is a bullshyt/useless martial art. MMA fighters absolutely would destroy 'kung fu' artists in a street fight.

Jon Jones would have trouble beating Floyd in street fight?

I've heard seen wing chun fighters win street fights and in the club fights. There are some types of wing chun that only practice for street fight situations. I do other things.. and have dome some grappling... but if a person is a mma guy that is strong at wrestling or something, I would probably fcuk them up on the street and I'm not even close to a master. basically from what I've seen only a good muy Thai fighter could f with a good wing chun guy... especially now that a lot of kung fu people practice take-down defenses n sh1t. I guess you can say it's not pure wing chun, but many of these guys take the Bruce lee route of learn other sh1t to complement it...

And yea, Jon Jones would have a more difficult time with Floyd outside of MMA rules....(he's big so it prolly wont matter) but MMA rules don't Just cater to wrestling.. but it also caters to some people's weak areas. It's a game. The fact that it's a sport and a game is something that people don't seem to get. I have a boy who would probably destroy me in the octagon. He been grappling forever muyT forever ... but he not as good of a boxer than me since HS.. he lost his street fights growing up, I come out less fuked up when we used to get jumped... plus my wing chun and reactions are quicker. I would do more damaging shyt to him. our wresting is about equal, he's slightly bigger. But in mma half the things I would do are illegal.

 

[Northern Son]

A small boxer like Floyd isn't going to hurt a guy like Jones period. If all things were equal and they were only boxing of course Floyd wins. If he only boxed and Jones only used MMA stand up? Who knows. But both at their respective sizes...no.

I don't much care about the MMA vs Boxing argument because you'll never convince people, but people don't get how much size matters when it comes to trained athletes. That fantasy of Bruce Lee size guys hurting larger fighters just isn't true. There's only so much size you can give up.

Roy Jones beat lesser guys at heavyweight. I don't think you guys understand how awful Jones' boxing is compared to Floyd or how awful it is in general. Middleweight MMA fighters have destroyed 300 lbs superheavyweight fighters in Japanese freak show fights because of the skill disparity. JDS was getting outclassed by that super MW boxer in that video I posted. Size matters a lot less when the skill disparity is astronomical. Jones doesn't even train in a ring and has no experience there.

SPEED is something you guys seem to completely overlook as well despite the fact that it is so much more important in boxing than in MMA.

Until Jon Jones faces a fighter with legit hands I don't wanna hear about this nikka doing anything in the boxing ring, he woudln't be able to do anything, because boxing is about footwork and head movement something he doesn't have.

Of course Jon Jones would beat up Floyd in a street fight, because he outweighs him by over 50 pounds and is a trained fighter. However, the wladmir has the reach and the size to KO him with one punch on the street, in the octagon, wherever.

Here's guy Mayweather size talking about the difficulty it would be to fight them standing up even with kickboxing rules


Jose Aldo talks Edgar, Pacquiao and Mayweather - YouTube

Jon Jones just learned how to fight 6 years ago, and he think he's on pace on becoming the world's greatest martial artist.
The truth is the UFC guys aren't that athletic besides GSP, Silva

Floyd is a small guy, but he is a gifted athlete as well as a skilled boxer
Floyd's father taught him everything, but he could not move like Floyd Jr in the ring or execute like him, he has raw ability he was born with.

Jon Jones is an okay athlete, I will not say he is gifted athletic in comparison to other people his size, but the UFC fighters are not gifted athletes

Imagined if Lebron James was a trained fighter, he would decimate Jon Jones pretty easily. Jones immediate is pretty would still beat him, if they fought in close space, and his pretty isn't a trained fighter at all.

Much how Heavyweight boxing has gone to the shyt, because there are no gifted athletes in those weights taking part in the sport

Jones is a much better athlete than GSP and Silva but I agree that MMA is generally very unathletic. Jones would be warming a bench like his brother if he played football or basketball.

There's not a particularly logical argument for Wlad beating him in a street fight (there's zero argument for him winning in the cage since Jones would immediately go for a takedown) but I agree that it's not as cut and dry as people think. MMA is not even remotely the be all end all of fighting or "real" fighting. In his prime, Tito Ortiz was KO'd in the streets by a middle of the road fighter with no wrestling named Lee Murray.

 

[Northern Son]

That's a possibility, but already seen Cain get KO by JDS

Its also possibility that Cain would get KO's by Wladimir before he has a chance to take him down, being the Wladimir has a great reach advantage
and is a large man in general

Cain kickboxed with JDS for nearly an entire minute because he was wary of Junior's impressive take down defense. Wlad has no grappling to speak of and Cain's not stupid. He would shoot a double from a distance then immediately submit him or pound him out. You're making the same mistake the MMA apologists in this thread are in that you forget that these guys have to accommodate for the defensive abilities of their opponents. Wlad can't wrestle for shyt unlike Junior so Cain would have the luxury of immediately taking his down then doing whatever he pleases (it would look exactly like the Toney fight, I'm bringing it up because it's true) and likewise Jones cannot box for shyt so Floyd could probably go for the finish within the first three minutes and get it.

What would stop Cain from doing this?

Wlad cannot defend a takedown unlike Junior and cannot to shyt off his back.

 

[Master Teacher]

Cain kickboxed with JDS for nearly an entire minute because he was wary of Junior's impressive take down defense. Wlad has no grappling to speak of and Cain's not stupid. He would shoot a double from a distance then immediately submit him or pound him out. You're making the same mistake the MMA apologists in this thread are in that you forget that these guys have to accommodate for the defensive abilities of their opponents. Wlad can't wrestle for shyt unlike Junior so Cain would have the luxury of immediately taking his down then doing whatever he pleases (it would look exactly like the Toney fight, I'm bringing it up because it's true) and likewise Jones cannot box for shyt so Floyd could probably go for the finish within the first three minutes and get it.

What would stop Cain from doing this?

Wlad cannot defend a takedown unlike Junior and cannot to shyt off his back.

He has to take him down first

an uppercut or hook to the body, would have dropped Cain if he came in like that against Wlad

 

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Roy Jones beat lesser guys at heavyweight. I don't think you guys understand how awful Jones' boxing is compared to Floyd or how awful it is in general. Middleweight MMA fighters have destroyed 300 lbs superheavyweight fighters in Japanese freak show fights because of the skill disparity. JDS was getting outclassed by that super MW boxer in that video I posted. Size matters a lot less when the skill disparity is astronomical. Jones doesn't even train in a ring and has no experience there.

SPEED is something you guys seem to completely overlook as well despite the fact that it is so much more important in boxing than in MMA.

I'm talking about in a real fight not boxing. Floyd isn't knocking Jones (talking skilled fighters, not normal gusy) out in any real fight. In any street fight it would end up on the ground and that's usually when a big dude will beat the dog shyt out of a little guy. Unless it's some real fat dude that can't move except to roll around on the ground.

Anyways, I hardly know what the hell we're talking about anymore. Too many different scenarios for me to keep up. lol I just know I need Saturday to come quick. I need my fix.

 

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Jon Jones just learned how to fight 6 years ago, and he think he's on pace on becoming the world's greatest martial artist.

Jon Jones is an okay athlete, I will not say he is gifted athletic in comparison to other people his size, but the UFC fighters are not gifted athletes

I don't really care about this floyd vs jones argument as we'll never see a real definitive answer to this. Floyd wldnt even fight Manny b4, so no chance he switchin to MMA.

But really, how can you say 1st that jon jones jus learned how to fight 6 yrs ago, and then say that he isn't a gifted atheletic? Are all these former champs he beatin jus tapping out as soon as the fight starts? how is he da champ, and hes only been fightin for 6 yrs, does every1 else suck that bad ur sayin?

i think its pretty obvious that Jones is a naturally gifted athlete and its flowing through that Jones blood. The fact that both his brothers are NFL players and both playing at a high level, 1 started da superbowl and jus won wit da Ravens, da other on the Pats has had an amazing start to his career. I feel Jon Jones couldve picked up any sport, started training and be good at it. A lot of athletes are like that. Deion Sanders cldve been an Olympic level track star, could've been an amazing baseball player if stuck wit it, and obviously was great at football.

I may not like watchin bones jones fights all dat much, or how he wins, but he wins, period. Dudes a natural.

 

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Jones is a much better athlete than GSP and Silva but I agree that MMA is generally very unathletic. Jones would be warming a bench like his brother if he played football or basketball.

What are you talkin about bro, who's sittin on da bench? Arthur Jones started for the Ravens in da superbowl and won,

Spoiler

Super Bowl XLVII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chandler jones is da starting outside lb on da Pats last season, and was 2nd in sacks on da team.

 

[So UnThotful]

He has to take him down first

an uppercut or hook to the body, would have dropped Cain if he came in like that against Wlad

lets say he cant take him down in a perfect world, how is wlad gonna defend against leg kicks that will chop him down?

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

I thought the sugar ray robinson vs floyd mayweather(s) talk was crazy, now we got jose aldo and cain vs the klitschkos?

 

[Master Teacher]

lets say he cant take him down in a perfect world, how is wlad gonna defend against leg kicks that will chop him down?

he gonna get Tim Sylvia'd if he comes in with that leg kick shyt, that's how he got KO'd by Ray Mercer, he came in with a leg Ray Mercer let one loose
and that was it. Its only gonna take one punch

he would have to be taking down immediatedly before he has a chance to punch like James Tony did, and if notice James Tony had zero footwork and no movement.

 

[Master Teacher]

I don't really care about this floyd vs jones argument as we'll never see a real definitive answer to this. Floyd wldnt even fight Manny b4, so no chance he switchin to MMA.

But really, how can you say 1st that jon jones jus learned how to fight 6 yrs ago, and then say that he isn't a gifted atheletic? Are all these former champs he beatin jus tapping out as soon as the fight starts? how is he da champ, and hes only been fightin for 6 yrs, does every1 else suck that bad ur sayin?

i think its pretty obvious that Jones is a naturally gifted athlete and its flowing through that Jones blood. The fact that both his brothers are NFL players and both playing at a high level, 1 started da superbowl and jus won wit da Ravens, da other on the Pats has had an amazing start to his career. I feel Jon Jones couldve picked up any sport, started training and be good at it. A lot of athletes are like that. Deion Sanders cldve been an Olympic level track star, could've been an amazing baseball player if stuck wit it, and obviously was great at football.

I may not like watchin bones jones fights all dat much, or how he wins, but he wins, period. Dudes a natural.

I'm not gonna even address the manny shyt because you have no idea what your talking about.

Jones is a gifted athlete because the UFC is filled with subpar athletes, he's bigger and stronger than everyone in his division, and overpowers his opponents I haven't really been too impressed with his athletism.

Anybody can come off the street and dominate the UFC

Brett Rogers went from working at Sam's Club, in less than 3 years he fighting Fedor who was being the CALLED THE GOAT, and damn near beat him.

If Brett Rogers would've went into pro boxing at the same time period and wouldn't even made it to a heavyweight title fight, he would have been KO'd.

you are severely underestimating the destructive power that are in the hands of pro boxers, because your use to them fighting with boxing gloves.

 

[Master Teacher]

I thought the sugar ray robinson vs floyd mayweather(s) talk was crazy, now we got jose aldo and cain vs the klitschkos?

who the fukk said anything about Jose Aldo fighting the klitschkos

what was said that was crazy was Jon Jones who walks around at 230, fighting Mayweather who walks around at 147