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Really these boxing/mma debates are pretty stupid, any boxer in their prime who steps in the cage will either get taken down and submitted quick or leg kicked into submission 9 times outta 10. Lol @ that klistsko comment I guarantee if you put either in against Cain he'd probably kill them
You make my case evening more
The fact that Kimbo Slice a street fighter was able to come into MMA at an old as age and beat Ray Mercer who was able to KO a former MMA champ.
An MMA fighter could never step into the ring a beat a former boxer champ.
A Boxer will win 50% of the time in MMA rules, that we can see is a fact that has already established. A boxer coming to cage with his hands, is still dangerous, still a threat, and still has a great chance of winning against anyone.
An MMA fighter has a zero chance in boxing match unless he's against some serious tomato cans.
Mayorga was getting worked by a no name white boy who was 0-1 before he landed an illegal knee to the spine. He wouldn't win in the UFC. I saw the Mercer fight ages ago and I'm glad it happened because a lot of idiots discredit boxing as a legit fighting art but that said 9/10 times in MMA (at the UFC level) the MMA guy will keep his distance shoot in then get a submission. Likewise, pretty much every top 150 boxer would just embarrass MMA fighters all over the ring. It's not rocket science.
Toney was out of shape but what would Vlad or Vitali do any differently? The rules and the Octagon itself favor wrestlers and submission grapplers to a significant degree.
Jones doesn't need to deal with any puncher of any kind in MMA because he always has the luxury of shooting in then pounding them out. He only stands with other MMA guys because they all have some degree of take down defence and ground game.
I agree that's why I pointed out what a herb move that was on Jones part earlier in the thread. Not one of these MMA guys has the guts to actually box a top fighter in the ring yet they can't stop talking shyt. I give Mayorga, Mercer and Toney a lot of credit for having the balls to do it.
I agree I said the same thing. MMA isn't "real" fighting like a lot of idiots think. Real fighting is quick, dirty and has weapons, tables, concrete, run ins etc. 80's Tyson would pull Jones' eyeball out of its socket in a street fight then bite his nose off.
This sort of proves his point though. James should have retired in 2003, he's eons past his prime. You can't possibly believe Lucas outboxed the best James Toney 
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Do you know how washed up Tim Sylvia was when he was ko'd by mercer?Honestly you're criticizing my examples when yours aren't any better
Yes I do. He wasn't anywhere near as done as Toney though. His last fight was Fedor for the Affliction title and before that he was beating up Big Nog before he got guillotine'd. It was more a matter of Sylvia being overweight and underestimating Ray (he threw a kick and stood in front of him instead of shooting in or clinching).
Comparing James who's 44, brain damaged, punch drunk, 80 + fights deep not counting amateurs and 11 years past his prime to a (at the time) 33 year old guy who was a top 10 heavyweight a fight ago is just laughable. Mercer was in his 50's when he knocked Tim on his ass.
I maintain that top MMA fighters will 9/10 times win in MMA and top boxers will 10/10 times win in boxing. It's not rocket science.
I agree but my point is they were both flabby and sick bro, neither of them were a good representation of their sports at that point. I'll make sure to alert both of you if Tyson Fury ever decides to step into the octagon against Cain, then we can have another back and forth after he gets mauled
Well you're opinion is your opinion I'd be happy to take all your coli cash if this fight ever happens
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In an MMA fight?
Idiotic post.Cain would toss him around like he was a small child, Wlad would receive the beating of his life.
Some things are better in street fights. MMA guys who have never boxed pro should stay in the octagon. A boxer should stay out of the octagon... but he can catch that n1gga on the street... if he's good. MMA caters to certain forms...like wrestling and bjj. So some Kung fu expert who's trained in wing chun or something... might fukked them up in a bar... but in the MMA ring will have a hard time. Jon Jones would have to cheat to beat Floyd. Jon has never seen in real life- someone punch as fast and powerful as a boxer of Floyd's caliber.. it's something you can't even measure from watching on TV. Jon would be shocked.
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MMA doesn't cater to BJJ, it does a bit for wrestling though. Based on what I've heard and seen, wing chun is a bullshyt/useless martial art. MMA fighters absolutely would destroy 'kung fu' artists in a street fight.
Jon Jones would have trouble beating Floyd in street fight?