Essential The Official MMA Thread

[Mowgli]

Roy Jones beat lesser guys at heavyweight. I don't think you guys understand how awful Jones' boxing is compared to Floyd or how awful it is in general. Middleweight MMA fighters have destroyed 300 lbs superheavyweight fighters in Japanese freak show fights because of the skill disparity. JDS was getting outclassed by that super MW boxer in that video I posted. Size matters a lot less when the skill disparity is astronomical. Jones doesn't even train in a ring and has no experience there.

SPEED is something you guys seem to completely overlook as well despite the fact that it is so much more important in boxing than in MMA.




Jones is a much better athlete than GSP and Silva but I agree that MMA is generally very unathletic. Jones would be warming a bench like his brother if he played football or basketball.

There's not a particularly logical argument for Wlad beating him in a street fight (there's zero argument for him winning in the cage since Jones would immediately go for a takedown) but I agree that it's not as cut and dry as people think. MMA is not even remotely the be all end all of fighting or "real" fighting. In his prime, Tito Ortiz was KO'd in the streets by a middle of the road fighter with no wrestling named Lee Murray.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6oE3uAalY"]Tito Ortiz speaks on UFC 38 Incident involving Lee Murray, Chuck Liddell etc. - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY3IA98j_4"]Anderson Silva VS Lee Murray - Cage Rage 8: Knights of the Octagon - YouTube[/ame]


Dont talk down on Lee Murray though like he was some coli poster who dropped Tito.

 

[So UnThotful]

he gonna get Tim Sylvia'd if he comes in with that leg kick shyt

he would have to be taking down immediatedly before he has a chance to punch like James Tony did, and if notice James Tony had zero footwork and no movement.

did you really just compare cain striking to tim sylvia?

yo i shyt you not, i could honestly see Pat Barry beating wlad in a mma bout because there is no way in hell wlad would all of a sudden become an expert in checking leg or head kicks and he's a lower HW ranking fighter but his skillset becomes huge problems for a boxer

there are way too many elements in MMA for wlad to relay on a 'uppercut/to the body' for him to win

 

[Master Teacher]

did you really just compare cain striking to tim sylvia?

yo i shyt you not, i could honestly see Pat Barry beating wlad in a mma bout because there is no way in hell wlad would all of a sudden become an expert in checking leg or head kicks and he's a lower HW ranking fighter but his skillset becomes huge problems for a boxer

there are way too many elements in MMA for wlad to relay on a 'uppercut/to the body' for him to win

You can't defend in attack at the same time dumb ass, as his throwing the leg kick he will KO's but Wlad in similar fashion

Cain would have to go for the take down, he will either get it or get KO'd bottomline

by the way Cain's striking is terrible

 

[So UnThotful]

You can't defend in attack at the same time dumb ass, as his throwing the leg kick he will KO's but Wlad in similar fashion

Cain would have to go for the take down, he will either get it or get KO'd bottomline

by the way Cain's striking is terrible

breh im saying, would wlad know what to do with leg strikes? i mean cain could get caught mid leg strike and get KO but if Wlad loses his lead leg then what? he aint gonna be bouncing around like a bunny thats forsure.

thats how i see cain defeating dude, picking him apart with leg strikes

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

who the fukk said anything about Jose Aldo fighting the klitschkos

what was said that was crazy was Jon Jones who walks around at 230, fighting Mayweather who walks around at 147

Would the Klitschkos beat Jose Aldo in MMA?

That's not fair. MMA's got more tools. Boxing's more rigid so a BIG MMA fighter is safer in that world.

Jose would be favored but it would be risky for him. Jose is pretty small.

Remember it's not like a pro fighter vs. average joe. The comparisons are still trained in-shape fighters at the top of a fighting sport. Just like NFL players could make great Rugby players.

 

[The Infamous]

MMA/the UFC has former Olympians, NCAA champions/all-americans, BJJ/Judo/Kickboxing world champions. How anybody can say that the UFC has sub-par athletes is downright stupid. They might not be up to par with other major sports, but to say they are 'generally very unathletic' is completely wrong. Yes, there are a few mediocre athletes, but there are also many gifted athletes. Athleticism encompasses more than just running fast and jumping high.

 

[FaTaL]

MMA/the UFC has former Olympians, NCAA champions/all-americans, BJJ/Judo/Kickboxing world champions. How anybody can say that the UFC has sub-par athletes is downright stupid. They might not be up to par with a few other major sports, but to say they are 'generally very unathletic' is completely wrong. Yes, there are a few mediocre athletes, but there are also many gifted athletes. Athleticism encompasses more than just running fast and jumping high.

i think the athleticism has defiantly improved the past 3 years. i think were going to see a rash of ex football players entering mma

 

[The Infamous]

i think the athleticism has defiantly improved the past 3 years. i think were going to see a rash of ex football players entering mma

In the past few years, it has improved drastically. It's still a very, very young sport. To compare to other major sports [that have been around for a long time] is unfair.

We will also see a lot of athletes that would've gone to the Olympics for wrestling transition over to MMA (especially since wrestling was removed from the Olympics). Also, with the way kickboxing is heading, I wouldn't be surprised if some world-class kickboxers transition over to MMA as well.

 

[The Infamous]

In Master Teacher's mind, the Klitschko brothers would beat Cain in a wrestling match as well

 

[Screwface Exchange]

I'm not gonna even address the manny shyt because you have no idea what your talking about.

Jones is a gifted athlete because the UFC is filled with subpar athletes, he's bigger and stronger than everyone in his division, and overpowers his opponents I haven't really been too impressed with his athletism.

Anybody can come off the street and dominate the UFC

Brett Rogers went from working at Sam's Club, in less than 3 years he fighting Fedor who was being the CALLED THE GOAT, and damn near beat him.

If Brett Rogers would've went into pro boxing at the same time period and wouldn't even made it to a heavyweight title fight, he would have been KO'd.

you are severely underestimating the destructive power that are in the hands of pro boxers, because your use to them fighting with boxing gloves.

man you jus shyt on training and hard work huh? like that means nuthin 2 you. Floyd mayweather has been training in boxing since he was a lil kid by his dad. dude eat sleeps n breaths boxing for yrs, dats the reason why dudes can't jus come off the street and beat em. not because he jus happens to have power in his hands.

n where is brett rogers now? he wasn't in the ufc, and wasn't on the top of nuthin. also ur math is wrong, Rogers 1st mma fight was in july 2005, he then fought fedor and lost in Nov 2009 and no he didnt damn near win, he got ko'd. jus like ne1 else would against a trained athlete in their sport.

Also, if your gonna talk about Brett rogers, know ur fukkkin history. dude jus didnt walk into a ring and start fightin mma right away. In jr college Rogers was an amateur boxer, and training in mma. dude was either at work or constantly in training. give da man n da sport some credit, dude worked hard, trained hard n fought. Jus like Jones, jus like mayweather. none of these sports you can't jus walk off the street and be a champ, u need to train work hard n b dedicated.

Brett Rogers: I Am a Fighter | Showtime Sports

 

[FaTaL]

In the past few years, it has improved drastically. It's still a very, very young sport. To compare to other major sports [that have been around for a long time] is unfair.

We will also see a lot of athletes that would've gone to the Olympics for wrestling transition over to MMA (especially since wrestling was removed from the Olympics). Also, with the way kickboxing is heading, I wouldn't be surprised if some world-class kickboxers transition over to MMA as well.

does k1 even exist anymore?

 

[phillycavsfan]

Mayorga's win was changed to a no contest.

 

[The ADD]

Cormier doing the cut to 205 'correctly' - Mixed Martial Arts Blog - ESPN

 

[Blackking]

I agree I said the same thing. MMA isn't "real" fighting like a lot of idiots think. Real fighting is quick, dirty and has weapons, tables, concrete, run ins etc. 80's Tyson would pull Jones' eyeball out of its socket in a street fight then bite his nose off.

basically. We can't always think that MMA guys can't win against trained fighters in the street..... this is a sport

 

[The Infamous]

I agree I said the same thing. MMA isn't "real" fighting like a lot of idiots think. Real fighting is quick, dirty and has weapons, tables, concrete, run ins etc. 80's Tyson would pull Jones' eyeball out of its socket in a street fight then bite his nose off.

I know MMA is different than street fighting, but it's a lot closer to street fighting than boxing is.