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[The Infamous]

GSP for the past four years has been attempting TD in the tens. The only fight where he didnt spam was against Shields

vs. Kos 2 and Condit and Penn II (I think this was just less than 4 years, off the top of my head) as well. You need to do better research breh.

I wouldn't really call having a 75% takedown accuracy and averaging less than 10 TDs per fight 'spamming'. Do you know what that even means breh?

 

[The Infamous]

another thing with JDS, those short elbows were landing good. he needed more of those instead of hitting the home run shot

At that time, he was fighting almost entirely on heart and instinct, I don't think he fully knew what he was doing And you could tell, he was looking to land those elbows. Unfortunately, he would eat a few shots for his troubles.

 

[So UnThotful]

At that time, he was fighting almost entirely on heart and instinct, I don't think he fully knew what he was doing And you could tell, he was looking to land those elbows. Unfortunately, he would eat a few shots for his troubles.

very true friend, but he need to get rid of that gamplan of taking one to land one, he need to be in and out and try to pick cain apart

im still about the choke in the 5th that looked tight(why cain dropped to his guard immediately ) that could have possibly won him the fight ended up him getting ko

Cain still hasnt technically KO dude

 

[The G.O.D II]

vs. Kos 2 and Condit and Penn II (I think this was just less than 4 years, off the top of my head) as well. You need to do better research breh.

I wouldn't really call having a 75% takedown accuracy and averaging less than 10 TDs per fight 'spamming'. Do you know what that even means breh?

Add Hardy, Diaz, and Fitch to that list. When the average TD is a 3-4 for a fighter, then yes 10 attempts is spamming, especially from a guy whos background is not wrestling

 

[The G.O.D II]

very true friend, but he need to get rid of that gamplan of taking one to land one, he need to be in and out and try to pick cain apart

im still about the choke in the 5th that looked tight(why cain dropped to his guard immediately ) that could have possibly won him the fight ended up him getting ko

Cain still hasnt technically KO dude

What choke? JDS looked like he was attempting a standing D'arce but was so exhausted he face planted when cain pushed out. No way that was even closed to being tight or finishing the fight

 

[So UnThotful]

What choke? JDS looked like he was attempting a standing D'arce but was so exhausted he face planted when cain pushed out. No way that was even closed to being tight or finishing the fight

looks like he got it under the neck

 

[The G.O.D II]

looks like he got it under the neck

He needed to hook and trap Cains right arm for that to work. And a standing D'arce? Whens the last time, if ever, have you seen that? I doubt JDS BJJ is that good

 

[Screwface Exchange]

When i think of a great striker, power of his shots are not a determining factor to me. Some of the best strikers in boxing in mma i've ever seen don't have knock out power but their technique, vision and timing are just impeccable.

Take as an example Floyd Mayweather hes regarded arguably as the best in boxing right now, and since 2006 to now he only has 2 KO's, and 8 decisions. He's not know for having a huge knock out punch or power, but his technique is on point. His vision, his counter punching, the smarts in the ring when to throw the body shot to wear down the opponent and then how to throw the body shot as to not leave himself open for a counter. Those are things that makes a good striker

Kongo vs Barry, good example. Barry is known as a solid striker and kick boxer. He comes over from K1 and facing Kongo you would think he would have the advantage in the striking, but Barry was stupid. he had kongo hurt and ran in, hands down and got caught. part of being a good striker is being smart, use your timing and vision to finish the guy, not just run in chin up hands down like a fool.

 

[So UnThotful]

He needed to hook and trap Cains right arm for that to work. And a standing D'arce? Whens the last time, if ever, have you seen that? I doubt JDS BJJ is that good

weidman caught tom lawlor at 129 so it is possible for it to happen

 

[The Infamous]

Add Hardy, Diaz, and Fitch to that list. When the average TD is a 3-4 for a fighter, then yes 10 attempts is spamming, especially from a guy whos background is not wrestling

Wait a moment, Cain had 33 TD attempts in the second JDS fight, yet he doesn't spam TDs? That's very interesting.

 

[The G.O.D II]

weidman caught tom lawlor at 129 so it is possible for it to happen

Weidman has world class BJJ. He submitted world champions with 6 months of formal training and won ADCC trials. I would say hes probably top 5 in pure BJJ in the UFC. JDS is not on that level. I've never seen him seriously attempt a sub on anyone despite being a black belt

 

[The Infamous]

very true friend, but he need to get rid of that gamplan of taking one to land one, he need to be in and out and try to pick cain apart

im still about the choke in the 5th that looked tight(why cain dropped to his guard immediately ) that could have possibly won him the fight ended up him getting ko

Cain still hasnt technically KO dude

It was almost like JDS didn't really have a gameplan at all.

No way JDS finishes that choke. He was way too tired, both fighters were bloody and sweaty [Cain would've easily popped his head out] and he wasn't even applying the choke correctly.

 

[So UnThotful]

Weidman has world class BJJ. He submitted world champions with 6 months of formal training and won ADCC trials. I would say hes probably top 5 in pure BJJ in the UFC. JDS is not on that level. I've never seen him seriously attempt a sub on anyone despite being a black belt

im not comparing the two, you asked if their has ever been a standing d'arce and i just provided an example

 

[The Infamous]

If Weidman was in the exact same situation as JDS, I very highly doubt he finishes that choke.

 

[So UnThotful]

It was almost like JDS didn't really have a gameplan at all.

No way JDS finishes that choke. He was way too tired, both fighters were bloody and sweaty [Cain would've easily popped his head out] and he wasn't even applying the choke correctly.

yeah re looking at the gif, cain rolled out of the gif by the time he was gonna hit the floor