Let's keep it a buck here
Both Nadal and Djokovic have greatly benefited from the courts slowing down in speed by 2010, seeing that they are slow footed ground stroke players
Federer on the other hand when he was a in his teens and early 20s faced the GOAT era of Servers in Sampras and Ivanišević, and Roddikk and Safin in his prime.... All on faster courts
Nadal and Djokovic have had the benefit of slower courts plus an era where they were less power players. And whenever they came up against them, they usually fell short. Nadal got blown off the court by Del Potro in the 2009 US Open and lost to no name Soldering. Djokovic also lost to Del Petro and faltered to Wawrinka
Us Fed fans let y'all talk because we know y'all hate to hear the truth. We giving y'all a grace period
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Don't let this happen again
i wont say all of that now. Let’s not undermine MurrayPeak delpo USO 2009 is better than any version of Murray
i wont say all of that now. Let’s not undermine Murray
Murray was a great player, you don't win the shyt he has by just being "good"thats my opinion
murray was a good player but didnt scare anybody
peak delpo was a terror
murray had the better career
Lol Novak and Rafa were pushing Rafa from the JUMP. It was well before 2010 that they were on Fed’s head on ANY surface. They all are GOAT’s, no wrong answer

Murray was a great player, you don't win the shyt he has by just being "good"
You just aren't giving him his props period

thats my opinion
murray was a good player but didnt scare anybody
peak delpo was a terror
murray had the better career
Yea i def won't argue that. Delpo so hard to rate because he was NEVER the same after 2009. Never really got to show anything at the AO because he was always injured to start the season but he ended his career with:
AO - 2 QF's
FO - 2 SF's
W - SF
USO - W, F, SF (a lot of folks forget he made the QF in 08 too.)
His game bothered EVERY big 3 member too.
I feel you about Murray. The thing I hated about Murray is that he never developed a "get out of trouble" shot. We know Novak can always rely on his forehand and return of serve, Fed could rely on his forehand and serve, and Rafa could rely on his down the line forehand and lefty topspin....Murray?
Murray could wear down everybody with his defense but like you said against those 3, he didn't have the 1 weapon you absolutely need as a "get out of jail" card. I think that fact blinds people to how great his accomplishments really are considering the era he played in.

Word soupi dont call consistent grinders great players very often
he was a good player with great results
Word soup
He was much more than a grinder, Bautista Agut is a grinder Murray had an all round game. Federer was initially behind in the h2h against Murray until about 2014.
He was a great player with the accolades to match: 3 slams, 46 titles, 14 Masters 1000 series, 2x Olympic Golds etc you don't sound objective to me. You can even say he should have won more slams with his talent.