The Official Toronto Discussion Thread

[trick]

What's the alternative though? Indefinite lockdowns? People have started to discount every trade-off associated with them. Lost education, lost revenue, mental health impacts etc.

Goverments thankfully stepped in for people who've lost jobs, but I think many people who've adjusted easily because they can work from home (I am as well), discount the impact on people's lives who cannot. Same for impact of no school on kids, or delayed surgeries and appointments on overall health outcomes etc.

If most cases can still be traced, and are focused on younger people, rising cases isn't the end of the world. The key metric is hospitalizations rather than cases IMO.

Obviously, people's lives have been impacted. But I'm not asking for an indefinite lockdown. I'm asking for things not to be done half-assed. That's it. Other countries have shown that it's fine to reopen if things are done with an abundance of caution and opening when numbers are low. Having 100 cases daily is NOT low. Australia temporarily went back to stage 2 when they had 100 cases.

We've had outbreaks because the messaging made it seem this was over once they lifted certain restrictions.

Just because people aren't being hospitalized doesn't mean having covid won't impact their long term health. See: Myocarditis, decreased lung capacity, damage to cognitive functions.

I admit there is an obvious impact that people's lives, but I just want them to be as cautious as possible. My opinion, I don't think they're being cautious when they're allowing weddings, strip club openings, gym openings and these have all resulted in new cases and outbreaks

 

[MikelArteta]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-black-entrepreneurs-1.5717297


The program will include:

• up to $53 million to develop and implement a new National Ecosystem Fund to support Black-led business organizations across the country. It will help Black business owners and entrepreneurs access funding and capital, mentorship, financial planning services, and business training.
• up to $33.3 million in support through the new Black Entrepreneurship Loan Fund that will provide loans of between $25,000 and $250,000 for Black business owners and entrepreneurs. The Government of Canada is also partnering with financial institutions, including RBC, BMO Financial Group, Scotiabank, CIBC, National Bank, TD, Vancity, and Alterna Savings, to make up to $128 million available in additional lending support.
• up to $6.5 million to create and sustain a new Black Entrepreneurship Knowledge Hub that will collect data on the state of Black entrepreneurship in Canada and help identify Black entrepreneurs’ barriers to success as well as opportunities for growth. The Hub will be run by Black-led community and business organizations, in partnership with educational institutions.

@Lord Scarf how you spinning this one?

its only a loan breh

 

[MikelArteta]

Obviously, people's lives have been impacted. But I'm not asking for an indefinite lockdown. I'm asking for things not to be done half-assed. That's it. Other countries have shown that it's fine to reopen if things are done with an abundance of caution and opening when numbers are low. Having 100 cases daily is NOT low. Australia temporarily went back to stage 2 when they had 100 cases.

We've had outbreaks because the messaging made it seem this was over once they lifted certain restrictions.

Just because people aren't being hospitalized doesn't mean having covid won't impact their long term health. See: Myocarditis, decreased lung capacity, damage to cognitive functions.

I admit there is an obvious impact that people's lives, but I just want them to be as cautious as possible. My opinion, I don't think they're being cautious when they're allowing weddings, strip club openings, gym openings and these have all resulted in new cases and outbreaks

yeah its like war
iraq war only like 4,000 americans died but like 50,000 were injured, just because you didn't die doesn't ean you didn't lose an arm or a leg or 30% of your skin was burned

nyc doesnt evne have indoor dining but we do just saying

 

[MikelArteta]

What's the alternative though? Indefinite lockdowns? People have started to discount every trade-off associated with them. Lost education, lost revenue, mental health impacts etc.

Goverments thankfully stepped in for people who've lost jobs, but I think many people who've adjusted easily because they can work from home (I am as well), discount the impact on people's lives who cannot. Same for impact of no school on kids, or delayed surgeries and appointments on overall health outcomes etc.

If most cases can still be traced, and are focused on younger people, rising cases isn't the end of the world. The key metric is hospitalizations rather than cases IMO.

you don't see hospitilizations like 18-19 days later
second not to be all boogeyman but we've never had covid in the winter, hospitals are already thin in flu season with just the common flu

 

[trick]

yeah its like war
iraq war only like 4,000 americans died but like 50,000 were injured, just because you didn't die doesn't ean you didn't lose an arm or a leg or 30% of your skin was burned

nyc doesnt evne have indoor dining but we do just saying

It just doesn't make sense to open all these things up and loosen restrictions when it's not time.

We're doing better than the States, but our population is also a 1/10th of the States and just because people aren't dying from it doesn't mean we don't have a problem.

We're willing to have thousands of kids and adults with heart disease, breathing problems and severe brain fog just because we didn't want to wait a month or two to reopen restaurants, schools, gym and wedding halls? What if a large percentage have these side effects? Can our rehab clinics handle all these people? Will these people be able to work or will they be on disability full time?

It's fukking insane how our government thinks about keeping the status quo over the health and safety of its people

 

[Tom Foolery]

Anyone else think The Breakfast Club is wack?

 

[thatrapsfan]

Obviously, people's lives have been impacted. But I'm not asking for an indefinite lockdown. I'm asking for things not to be done half-assed. That's it. Other countries have shown that it's fine to reopen if things are done with an abundance of caution and opening when numbers are low. Having 100 cases daily is NOT low. Australia temporarily went back to stage 2 when they had 100 cases.

We've had outbreaks because the messaging made it seem this was over once they lifted certain restrictions.

Just because people aren't being hospitalized doesn't mean having covid won't impact their long term health. See: Myocarditis, decreased lung capacity, damage to cognitive functions.

I admit there is an obvious impact that people's lives, but I just want them to be as cautious as possible. My opinion, I don't think they're being cautious when they're allowing weddings, strip club openings, gym openings and these have all resulted in new cases and outbreaks

Fair enough, I see your point on halfway stuff. But a lot of the long term impact journalism so far isn’t based on any serious sample size or studies. I’ve seen cardiologists call BS on the widespread myocarditis stories ( so far). All respiratory viruses cause long term impacts in some people, and there isn’t any clear evidence (yet) that COVID specifically impacts young, healthy people adversely in a different manner.

you don't see hospitilizations like 18-19 days later
second not to be all boogeyman but we've never had covid in the winter, hospitals are already thin in flu season with just the common flu

Google France COVID cases and deaths. If we follow a similar trend, and it’s mainly younger people, deaths will stay low.

 

[MikelArteta]

Fai

Google France COVID cases and deaths. If we follow a similar trend, and it’s mainly younger people, deaths will stay low.

France's COVID hospitalisations at 1-month high as cases surge | National Post

just did breh

 

[thatrapsfan]

France's COVID hospitalisations at 1-month high as cases surge | National Post

just did breh

Keep reading beyond the headline :

Hospitalisations for the disease are still more than six times below the April 14 peak of 32,292 and the number of patients in ICUs is far below the April 8 record of 7,148.

Google will show you the graphics of the cases and deaths curves. Look how flat it is now, compared to how high it was in April when cases were last at this level.

 

[MikelArteta]

Keep reading beyond the headline :

Hospitalisations for the disease are still more than six times below the April 14 peak of 32,292 and the number of patients in ICUs is far below the April 8 record of 7,148.

Google will show you the graphics of the cases and deaths curves. Look how flat it is now, compared to how high it was in April when cases were last at this level.

 

[MikelArteta]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/racism-sign-queens-county-woods-cottage-1.5719280

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/racism-sign-queens-county-woods-cottage-1.5719280

trash sign but did she go out there with a BLM tee ready to pose or is that from another time.

I'm getting critical of some of these performers who latch onto protest.

 

[trick]

213 cases in Ontario, 71 in Toronto today.

Not good

 

[NoMorePie]

Cases are back in the 200s and here I am at yorkdale mall

 

[Kwabena]

Can we start fining people for not wearing masks? Coward azz politicians