The old schoolers hating on new cats really is lame

[Pazzy]

First off....I been a fan of rap since 1988, "Mary Mary" was the first rap joint I ever heard, shyt changed my life

But this whole thing where old schoolers hate on all this new rap is straight up corny.

I still listen to Kane, Rakim, G Rap, EPMD and all that 90s rap

But I also like Flocka, Gucci, Jeezy, Drake and a lot of other newer rappers.

Is there anything wrong with that? Naw. It's called progressing with the times.

Rap was a baby in the 80s and 90s, not a lot of options and still discovering itself. Now it's emerged as a global art form and there are countless rappers trying to come up in a genre of music that's no longer just a means of expressing ones self but also a very good means of making money.

And honestly....how are the youngin's supposed to respect our opinions when we say "That Flocka shyt sucks, listen to EPMD for real rap"....they just gonna say "fukk you old man you don't know shyt".....besides, what did the elders say to us regarding Rakim? "That shyt is wack, listen to Donny Hathaway for real music"

Plus....rap has changed, a lot. "Paid in Full" had joints that were like 8 minutes long with 4 minutes of just instrumental, you can't get away with shyt like that today. Plus that production was a lot more simplistic. How a kid who grew up on "I Really Mean It" gonna think the Eric B. is President beat is fire when it's simple as hell to his ears? That shyt was groundbreaking to US, but kids today have a much different perspective on shyt.

I ain't trying to start any shyt, cause I understand the frustration of old school fans feeling like rap has changed, cause it has, so either stay left behind and be in the corner complaining that rap sucks now, or embrace the new generation of hip hop and realize it's never gonna be what it is but there's still a lot of dope shyt out there

there's so many things wrong with what you're saying that the only thing i have to say to you is reread what you wrote.

someone in here already broke it down for you. wack music is wack music. the difference between then and now is that the people that were on top actually put out good music and actually had talent. these new rappers nowadays that are on top are WEAK and drop assed out shyt. you sound like a fool telling me to like wack shyt. quit acting like wack rappers weren't getting shytted on back in the day too. you should know that as an 80s dude.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

But I also like Flocka, Gucci, Jeezy, Drake and a lot of other newer rappers.

Is there anything wrong with that? Naw. It's called progressing with the times.

Really..you go from Rakim to Flocka and call THAT PROGRESS?!

 

[classicmaterial]

Really..you go from Rakim to Flocka and call THAT PROGRESS?!

I call it balance. Can't always be in the club dancing on bytches and can't always be in the library soaking up knowledge

 

[FeloniousMonk]

I call it balance. Can't always be in the club dancing on bytches and can't always be in the library soaking up knowledge

Says who?

strippers in school do it all the time.

So after 20 + years..you consider Wacka a balance?

So in 88' we had music to uplift..

Now in 13' its to be ignorant?


Yeah thats balance.

 

[The Bilingual Gringo]

I'd rather be stuck listening to stuff from the 80's and 90's all day, so I'll gladly keep my corner.

Actually hip-hop changing pushed me more into trip-hop and other genres as a whole because I couldn't adjust my ears to the new sounds.

 

[emoney]

for the people saying wack music is wack music.....if that's so then why do some of you old-school heads and old-school hip-hop lovers go to such great lengths to describe certain rappers and music as "wack".

music is subjective, so one man's trash is another man's treasure

there's no universal definition of wackness and that is what some of you old,bitter,nostalgic fans can't wrap your head around and you will always be miserable until you do so

 

[emoney]

You have no stake in the culture so you dont care if it gets trashed to shyt. The people who are in the culture to get paid and get out tarnish the music. They arent hiphop artists which is what hiphop needs. Respect your elders critcism. The only new cats who get hated on are the ones who cant rap.

everyone that is old isn't an elder

Some of these old-school rappers don't deserve any respect

If you can't pay child support (scarface,rakim), if your smoking crack or have a serious drug addiction(one of the members of the pharcyde), if you beat your wife (big pun), if you pose butt naked in a magazine (big daddy kane), if your a fake mafioso (biggie,nas), act like a c00n on tv (flavor flav)

guess what, I am not going to respect u

 

[classicmaterial]

for the people saying wack music is wack music.....if that's so then why do some of you old-school heads and old-school hip-hop lovers go to such great lengths to describe certain rappers and music as "wack".

music is subjective, so one man's trash is another man's treasure

there's no universal definition of wackness and that is what some of you old,bitter,nostalgic fans can't wrap your head around and you will always be miserable until you do so

 

[Taadow]

I call it balance. Can't always be in the club dancing on bytches and can't always be in the library soaking up knowledge

Naw, cuzz..."balance" is when you had:

- an hour radio rap show and could have X-Clan, then Spice 1, then Brand Nubian, then Nice & Smooth, then NWA, then Arabian Prince. Not just have different artists try to give you the same song with the same message with a slightly different beat.

- A group like Tribe who could give you a song to dance on bytches and soak up knowledge on the same track. What happened to that?

 

[emoney]

Really..you go from Rakim to Flocka and call THAT PROGRESS?!

your using extreme examples in an attempt to prove your pathetic point that rap music has declined over the years.

waka flocka is not the most popular rapper out right now and rakim wasn't the most popular back in his day.

why not compare rakim to lupe, kendrick or elzhi....you don't want to because it wouldn't help your weak argument

 

[BuyandSave]

Naw, cuzz..."balance" is when you had:

- an hour radio rap show and could have X-Clan, then Spice 1, then Brand Nubian, then Nice & Smooth, then NWA, then Arabian Prince. Not just have different artists try to give you the same song with the same message with a slightly different beat.

- A group like Tribe who could give you a song to dance on bytches and soak up knowledge on the same track. What happened to that?

That might sound ideal to you but most people would feel like they're living a nightmare if they have to go to the club and dance on bytches to A Tribe called Quest Some of you just have to accept the fact that people don't want to hear that type of music these days - that's why it no longer exists. Nostalgia is a motherfukker.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

your using extreme examples in an attempt to prove your pathetic point that rap music has declined over the years.

waka flocka is not the most popular rapper out right now and rakim wasn't the most popular back in his day.

why not compare rakim to lupe, kendrick or elzhi....you don't want to because it wouldn't help your weak argument

Im using the examples the threadstarter used based on artist who are POPULAR today and HE mentioned.

In 88' Rakim wasnt popular?!

Threadstarter never mentioned Lupe, Kendrick or Elhzi...rarely do I hear ANY of those artist on the radio..cept for Kendrick who popularity is growing...Lupe is actually a special case.

We can mention immortal technique, tech9, brother ali...blah blah blah...Are they dope..Yes. Popular..depends on who you ask.

He did mention current "ignorant" rap and emerging pop icon Drake..



Fall back..

Edit: its the PROGRAMMING btw, not the music...which causes the "decline"

 

[Taadow]

for the people saying wack music is wack music.....if that's so then why do some of you old-school heads and old-school hip-hop lovers go to such great lengths to describe certain rappers and music as "wack".

music is subjective, so one man's trash is another man's treasure

there's no universal definition of wackness and that is what some of you old,bitter,nostalgic fans can't wrap your head around and you will always be miserable until you do so

What you young, bitter, transient fans need to wrap your head around is that this argument is bigger than the rappers themselves.

The dude that made this thread was talmbat calling new rappers wack, not the current state of affairs. More often than not, the indictment is against the latter.

So you can have a rapper who is a good rapper, but if he's doing the kind of rap that isn't favorable, he will be disrespected. That's the way it is, that's the way it always has been, and until you understand that, the misery is yours - because an "old, bitter, nostalgic" fan didn't make this thread.

Thank you, and good day.

 

[Rayzah]

for the people saying wack music is wack music.....if that's so then why do some of you old-school heads and old-school hip-hop lovers go to such great lengths to describe certain rappers and music as "wack".

music is subjective, so one man's trash is another man's treasure

there's no universal definition of wackness and that is what some of you old,bitter,nostalgic fans can't wrap your head around and you will always be miserable until you do so

Im sick of people using that cop out, thats equal to coming in second or third an saying its not about winning but how you play the game NO there may not be a universal definition of wackness but being able to rap, and freestyle, and creatively put words together in a way that has not been done before is a skill, and 98% of these new nikkas cant do that, so thats why the "wack" word is thrown around so much. most of the talent in these new songs is held by the producer.
when an "old head" says these dudes are wack, they are refering to their ability to spit, the thing is no mater how much rap has changed you have to maintain some core elements for it to still be considered hip hop. just because you rhyme the words to your songs dont mean you are a good rapper. I like some of these new guys, but most do not have any replay value, due to them making shallow ass music. there is too much emphasis on getting money and not enough on actual bars.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Only thing I can't get into is the battle scene. That shyt is fukking wack.

Dudes can't even rhyme over a beat. I think that was the main thing that made me realize just cause someone rhymes and has punchlines doesn't=good MC