It's mind blowing, the Kobe hater is far more psychotic than even the biggest Kobe stans. :wow2:
The one claim about Kobe that I never understood was....
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It's mind blowing, the Kobe hater is far more psychotic than even the biggest Kobe stans. :wow2:
Its not really revisionist though. There wasn't much consensus after Shaq's decline. The same reason Kobe was in the convo from 01-04 was also the same reason others were in the convo during his peak run....winning.
He suffered the misfortune of playing his prime/peak on a mediocre team. Its actually funny when you think about it. Kobe's arguably the luckiest star of his generation when it comes to playing with talent, yet at his absolute apex he was playing with a nikka named Smush.
Calm down nikka. No one knows why you feel the need to get disrespectful with everyone you disagree with, even when you're not disagreeing with me in particular due to your lack of comprehension skills. Learn what general consensus means before getting out of pocket. It has shyt to do with my opinion specifically. How in the world could I speaking for myself when I'm referring to general consensus....
Notice that no poster worth a damn is in here arguing that Kobe wasn't the best from 05 to 08. 09 is the most debatable. All they can ever say, yourself included, was that he wasn't "clear cut" the best. That's really it. Meaning that you could make an argument for others and not look crazy. Not that they had a more convincing argument than Kobe. I'm not even arguing that, but that really has more to do with the fact that Kobe's teams weren't winning.
NOBODY IN THE NBA FROM 2006-2011 WAS fukkING WITH KOBE BEAN BRYANT
From 2006-2011.....Kobe Bryant is the ONLY player in the NBA to be voted All-NBA 1st Team and All-Defensive 1st Team in every single year.
Nobody else accomplished that. Not LeBron, Not Wade, Not Tim Duncan, Not nobody
During that time period (From 2006-2011), he averaged 29.1 pts, 5.5 rebs, 5.0 assts, and 1.5 stls per game on 45.8% FG....went to 3 NBA Finals, Won 2 NBA Championships, Won 2 NBA Finals MVPs, Won 1 NBA MVP, Was a 6x All-Star, Was 6x All-NBA 1st Team, and Was 6x All-Defensive 1st Team.
Yall need to get the hell outta here with that bullshyt and use some common fukking sense. Talking about some damn PER and Win shares
Who led the League in "Win Shares" in 2009 and 2010?
Now, who WON THE FINALS MVP in those years? I thought so. fukk a "win share"...who won the important games? Get those nerdy ass over analyzing shyts the fukk outta here
So nobody wants to attempt and counter argue this post?
I be shutting yall down to easy
I do it for my LWO brehs
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
yall kobe haters need to shut the fukk up forever... we get you dont like the fact that his game is similar to MJ, and he has spent his whole career trying to be better than him, which is what one should want right? shouldnt you want to be better than the best. and its not like yall can prove that he wasnt the best from 02-08 no more than we can prove he was. To be picky yea he won five rings but also lost twice and wasnt there five other times, but how many players can say they went to 7 finals in a ten year span? how many can say they scored 81, how many players are talked about all day on here?
superunknown23
Superstar
Kobe stans' insecurity keeps growing.
It's been an amazing spectacle in the last couple months... and it's just the beginning
It's been an amazing spectacle in the last couple months... and it's just the beginning
There's nothing disrespecful about saying "FOH" to someone when they've said something that you think is silly. The selective sensitivity here is hilarious. Since you asked for it, fukk you ya dikkriding son of a bytch. That's disrespectful, now you got something legit to cry about, fakkit.
You speaking for what the consensus said doesn't mean shyt unless you have evidence to support it. I don't give a damn what these other posters are or aren't saying, I'm speaking for myself. I said that Kobe wasn't the clear-cut best player for any year because people like you are running around acting like him being the best player 05-08 or whatever is a fact that only haters refuse to acknowledge. You and others are actually acting like it's hate to believe that Kobe wasn't the best player during those years. Get the fukk outta here with that fanboy shyt. He wasn't the best player during any of those years imo, and that's not hate. I could easily make convincing cases for other players being better than Kobe during those years.
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
Who were better during that time? Do it year by year if you can.
havoc
Superstar
What make you think Kobe is a better defender than Wade ? Did you know since Wade had first wore the Heat's jersey, the franchise always has been listed as one of the top rank defensive teams in the league ? This was before and after Shaq and before the Big Three and while Wade playing with Bosh and James.
Wade does it all from setting traps on the pick and roll, on-ball defense, chasing shooters through screens, and reading the entry pass to the paint, which has been doing successfully throughout his career.
no problem:
05-Shaq and Duncan were still better players than Kobe. Shaq turned the Heat into title contenders and helped Wade develop into a superstar. Duncan was still anchoring a championship team.
06- This was the 1st year that Lebron emerged as the individual best player in the league imo. He was carrying that Cavs team on his shoulders and got them to a game 7 against that Championship caliber Pistons team. Wade's amazing playoff run also gives him a convincing argument for being better too. Dirk had a great season that year too.
07- Lebron. Dirk again too. This was probably the year that you could make the best case for Kobe being the best player in the league though.
08-present- Lebron has been clearly head and shoulders the best player in the league. I could make cases for other players being better too, but I'll just leave it at Lebron.
no problem:
05-Shaq and Duncan were still better players than Kobe. Shaq turned the Heat into title contenders and helped Wade develop into a superstar. Duncan was still anchoring a championship team.Spot on. Bryant shot 43% that year, and missed the postseason.
06- This was the 1st year that Lebron emerged as the individual best player in the league imo. He was carrying that Cavs team on his shoulders and got them to a game 7 against that Championship caliber Pistons team. Wade's amazing playoff run also gives him a convincing argument for being better too. Dirk had a great season that year too. Dunno how Bryant wasn't the best that year. 35, 5, 4, 81 point game, all the high scorin' streaks, 1st Team All-Defense, All-NBA 1st Team, and threw up 28, 6, 5 on 50-40-77 aganist Phoenix.
07- Lebron. Dirk again too. This was probably the year that you could make the best case for Kobe being the best player in the league though.
I don't believe James to be the transcendent player that Kobe was, and Nowitzki's never been better than Bryant pre-2011. Bryant gives u the clutch scorin' Nowitzki does, while actually playin' defense.
08-present- Lebron has been clearly head and shoulders the best player in the league. I could make cases for other players being better too, but I'll just leave it at Lebron. James' was never pre-dominantly considered the best before the Cheat. How could u ever crown a nikka that was CONSTANTLY ridiculed for not bein' clutch, and better than Bryant, who'd made 3 str8 Finals? This is the same sorta reason why Nowitzki > Garnett All-Time. And Chris Paul in '09 I believe to arguably have been better than James.
I usually don't get into these debates cause i know you can't win with some nikkas and there bias, but i just think it's funny how some nikkas argued for Kobe being better than Duncan based off a few years but then turn around and say Dwade may have had better seasons than kobe but was never a better player because it was only 1 or 2 season
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For the record im a Dwade fan and i'll take a prime Kobe over him but to sit here and say Dwade was never on his level on even pushing for the top player in the league is crazy.
. For the record im a Dwade fan and i'll take a prime Kobe over him but to sit here and say Dwade was never on his level on even pushing for the top player in the league is crazy.
god shamgod
Veteran
the dude who posted that non sense s/n is 'kobe4mvp'.Wade was always a better defender,passer and facilitator than kobe the fact kobe made 1st team defense for several years is laughable
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Why are nikkas making Kobe threads in June? 
Why are nikkas making Kobe threads in 2013?
Why are nikkas making Kobe threads in 2013?
