The Problem Isn’t the Black Family; It’s the System

[Gloxina]

 

[Regular Developer]

Hey, they named the nice version of NY Penn Station Moynihan

 

[CopiousX]

It's worth noting that when the Moynihan report was written, black families were still very much intact. This was that very conservative civil right's generation where a wife would stay with a family even if the husband was beating her or had a second family across town . However , the report did become a self-fulfilling prophecy in the '80s once crack hit and the social programs were funded in a way that actively disincentized families.

I have a bit of an outlier opinion on this. there is an institution that's lacking in the black community, but I don't think it's the standard family itself, because Even when you have an intact black family, they perform far worse than intact families of other ethnicities When adjusted for socioeconomic status. There is something else lacking. I think it's an underlying philosophy behind what the family is supposed to do or even a third party entity that polices individual black families.

I admit this is a bit speculative but I think we need a unique type of family specifically for black people. Instead of trying to emulate whatever type of family white people are using. The reason I'm saying we can't just emulate the family values or the nuclear nature of white families, is because our family is going to have unique disadvantages to us that our family's must compensate for. So trying to copy paste the generic white family structure and white value system will be inadequate, and will make us non-competitive when competing with their families.

 

[Gloxina]

It's worth noting that when the Moynihan report was written, black families were still very much intact. This was that very conservative civil right's generation where a wife would stay with a family even if the husband was beating her or had a second family across town . However , the report did become a self-fulfilling prophecy in the '80s once crack hit and the social programs were funded in a way that actively disincentized families.

I have a bit of an outlier opinion on this. there is an institution that's lacking in the black community, but I don't think it's the standard family itself, because Even when you have an intact black family, they perform far worse than intact families of other ethnicities When adjusted for socioeconomic status. There is something else lacking. I think it's an underlying philosophy behind what the family is supposed to do or even a third party entity that polices individual black families.

I admit this is a bit speculative but I think we need a unique type of family specifically for black people. Instead of trying to emulate whatever type of family white people are using. The reason I'm saying we can't just emulate the family values or the nuclear nature of white families, is because our family is going to have unique disadvantages to us that our family's must compensate for. So trying to copy paste the generic white family structure and white value system will be inadequate, and will make us non-competitive when competing with their families.

A closely connected extended family. A true village.

 

[CopiousX]

A closely connected extended family. A true village.

Can you describe what you mean?

Are you saying that black people currently don't have extended families?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

It's worth noting that when the Moynihan report was written, black families were still very much intact. This was that very conservative civil right's generation where a wife would stay with a family even if the husband was beating her or had a second family across town . However , the report did become a self-fulfilling prophecy in the '80s once crack hit and the social programs were funded in a way that actively disincentized families.

I have a bit of an outlier opinion on this. there is an institution that's lacking in the black community, but I don't think it's the standard family itself, because Even when you have an intact black family, they perform far worse than intact families of other ethnicities When adjusted for socioeconomic status. There is something else lacking. I think it's an underlying philosophy behind what the family is supposed to do or even a third party entity that polices individual black families.

I admit this is a bit speculative but I think we need a unique type of family specifically for black people. Instead of trying to emulate whatever type of family white people are using. The reason I'm saying we can't just emulate the family values or the nuclear nature of white families, is because our family is going to have unique disadvantages to us that our family's must compensate for. So trying to copy paste the generic white family structure and white value system will be inadequate, and will make us non-competitive when competing with their families.

I don't know if I agree with this. When the Moynihan Report was written, Black families were already under enormous structural pressure from segregation, job discrimination, redlining, and exclusion from the postwar industrial economy. Black marriage rates were higher then, but that doesn't mean family stability was higher, especially when Black men were systematically denied access to the kinds of jobs that supported the mid-century breadwinner model.

I also think calling what happened later a "self-fulfilling prophecy" gives too much weight to welfare policy and not enough to the massive shocks that hit Black communities in the 1970s and 1980s. Deindustrialization wiped out stable jobs, the War on Drugs and mass incarceration removed millions of men from families, and the crack epidemic devastated Black neighborhoods. Those forces are much better explanations for changes in family structure than the idea that people were simply responding to social-program incentives.

Moynihan intentionally(?) misdiagnosed the cause as being a cultural failing rather than an outcome of the racist economic and legal systems Black people had to live under, so they could avoid policy that reckoned with them.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

No clicks but agree with thread title

 

[010101]

take responsibility MOMMA!¡!¡!¡!¡!¡*

 

[cheek100]

So it’s still a no go bringing back dads?

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

It's worth noting that when the Moynihan report was written, black families were still very much intact. This was that very conservative civil right's generation where a wife would stay with a family even if the husband was beating her or had a second family across town . However , the report did become a self-fulfilling prophecy in the '80s once crack hit and the social programs were funded in a way that actively disincentized families.

I have a bit of an outlier opinion on this. there is an institution that's lacking in the black community, but I don't think it's the standard family itself, because Even when you have an intact black family, they perform far worse than intact families of other ethnicities When adjusted for socioeconomic status. There is something else lacking. I think it's an underlying philosophy behind what the family is supposed to do or even a third party entity that polices individual black families.

I admit this is a bit speculative but I think we need a unique type of family specifically for black people. Instead of trying to emulate whatever type of family white people are using. The reason I'm saying we can't just emulate the family values or the nuclear nature of white families, is because our family is going to have unique disadvantages to us that our family's must compensate for. So trying to copy paste the generic white family structure and white value system will be inadequate, and will make us non-competitive when competing with their families.

Been saying this for years

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

It's worth noting that when the Moynihan report was written, black families were still very much intact. This was that very conservative civil right's generation where a wife would stay with a family even if the husband was beating her or had a second family across town . However , the report did become a self-fulfilling prophecy in the '80s once crack hit and the social programs were funded in a way that actively disincentized families.

I have a bit of an outlier opinion on this. there is an institution that's lacking in the black community, but I don't think it's the standard family itself, because Even when you have an intact black family, they perform far worse than intact families of other ethnicities When adjusted for socioeconomic status. There is something else lacking. I think it's an underlying philosophy behind what the family is supposed to do or even a third party entity that polices individual black families.

I admit this is a bit speculative but I think we need a unique type of family specifically for black people. Instead of trying to emulate whatever type of family white people are using. The reason I'm saying we can't just emulate the family values or the nuclear nature of white families, is because our family is going to have unique disadvantages to us that our family's must compensate for. So trying to copy paste the generic white family structure and white value system will be inadequate, and will make us non-competitive when competing with their families.

This is interesting. The Moynihan Report was written in part because the Black rate of single motherhood at the time, 25%, was considered too high and a risk to the Black community. The white rate of single motherhood at that time was 3.1%.

 

[Regular Developer]

I admit this is a bit speculative but I think we need a unique type of family specifically for black people. Instead of trying to emulate whatever type of family white people are using. The reason I'm saying we can't just emulate the family values or the nuclear nature of white families, is because our family is going to have unique disadvantages to us that our family's must compensate for. So trying to copy paste the generic white family structure and white value system will be inadequate, and will make us non-competitive when competing with their families.

Been saying this for years

This is from an inquisitive standpoint (i've been oding on "The Innovator's Dliemma" audiobook, so don't mind me, lol). Would you think it needs to be created? Or do you think it may already exist in maybe how African families are structured, or maybe one of the more Eastern cultures? Or maybe a hybrid?

 

[RhodyRum]

We need to run more spread style systems that will stretch opposing defenses horizontally, ensure more one-on-one shots vertically down the field, while also giving our athletes more space to work with.

One final thing: We WILL RALLY behind Kurt Warner, and we will play good football.

That's all I got to contribute to this discussion.

 

[Yaboysix]

Cowards. They won't even say the shyt with they chest... always doing subliminal sneaky Shyt.

 

[CopiousX]

This is from an inquisitive standpoint (i've been oding on "The Innovator's Dliemma" audiobook, so don't mind me, lol). Would you think it needs to be created? Or do you think it may already exist in maybe how African families are structured, or maybe one of the more Eastern cultures? Or maybe a hybrid?

Im agnostic in which method we shift to. I just can't shake the feeling that we do need to make a switch.

Either of those would work whether we made it from scratch or borrowed it. Surely someone else has experienced changes similar to black Americans due to exploitation or hostile systems, and created a family system that works in spite of it. Why fix something that's not broken? But on the other hand, nothing would be better for us than a custom-made solution since even those successful Eastern societies have cultural philosophies that are entirely incompatible with black people which may cause resistance to the new structure(for example individualism vs collectivism which historically was in issue in Stolypin family reforms which failed to create better familes).


The only thing at stake is time. It would be quicker to take somebody else's solution. And much cheaper . But it would be like a store-bought suit that is visibly awkward when we wear it. It would take a lot of time and resources to create a custom made solution, but it will fit snuggly like a bespoke Rubbinaci.


How do you see it @Regular Developer ?