The problem with NY rappers and NY hip hop is...

[Rominati]

Max would be crushing the game right now, if Jimmy didn't Suge him

But there is big irony in his first diss to Jimmy being called "Paperwork"... when its clear he didn't read his own

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Personally I think NY's biggest problem right now is a lack of identity.... nikkas doing what's hot (nikkas rappin over trap beats) or trying to recapture that old (Joey Badazz) instead of just doing them

The few rappers I check for regularly (Lupe, CH, Max, Camp Lo, Lil B , Rae, Ghost, Lloyd Banks to a lesser degree), for better or worse, don't sound like ANYBODY. NY needs to be an escape from the mainstream... just adopt a completely different style and sound thats reflective of where we are now, the narrative of our sound in general and the technical advancement of the artform

I also think there is too much music and too many rappers... I dont know why nikkas feel compelled to drop a tape ever other week, when 4/5th of the songs on it are garbage. Lupe drops 1 mixtape every 2 or so years and you really cherish them... they are fukking brilliant and there is no mindless filler. More rappers need to do that. I blame Wayne for fooling people into thinking high volume of trash = buzz generating "work ethic"

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NY hip-hop needs to adopt a more fun/light hearted/skill oriented approach to hip hop. Back how thangs was back in the day with Tribe,BIG,Jay etc.. Ever since 50 blew up. Every nikka in New York is a


Gangbanging-drug slanging-capo-alpha-supreme-lean-mean street nikka machine




Thats why nikkas loved Max. Cause even tho he was a official dude. You can tell Max was having fun with this music shyt. He was charismatic and a funny dude, he didnt take himself too seriously

 

[Habit]

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NY hip-hop needs to adopt a more fun/light hearted/skill oriented approach to hip hop. Back how thangs was back in the day with Tribe,BIG,Jay etc.. Ever since 50 blew up. Every nikka in New York is a


Gangbanging-drug slanging-capo-alpha-supreme-lean-mean street nikka machine




Thats why nikkas loved Max. Cause even tho he was a official dude. You can tell Max was having fun with this music shyt. He was charismatic and a funny dude, he didnt take himself too seriously

You are oversimplifying things. 50 Cent came out 10 years ago, you know how many movements we had in that period of time? How many albums dropped in that period of time? There was way more diversity back then. Way more labels too...

NY is a small town, compared to the 13 states that make up the South. GA, TN, TX, NO, FL are active. Artist from AL, MS, NC, are more likely to get a release date before a rapper from the Bronx. If Roc-A-Fella was still around. That roster alone would have guaranteed 4 or 5 releases a year.

How many hip-hop albums drops a year? Only Nas and Maybach Music compilation dropped in the month of July. NY has rappers that could put out an album, but the labels are not gonna get behind them. You telling me Ace Hood is the best these labels can do?

Your only suggestion is for NY to produce some pop music?

Jay, Wayne, Kanye, Drake are barely seeing double plat, the margin of error is too low for labels to not consider what is selling. Garbage is selling right now.

They signed Chief Keef and Kreayshawn. You're hypothesis simply doesn't support the reality, the buying public are listening and supporting garbage. While folks like us bootleg everything.

 

[villain]

southern rappers been beefing and they've had the game for a while. The biggest rappers from the south have been involved in very public beefs but yet they still got a lock on the game

It has nothing to do with "beefing". The tastes of the masses have simply switched.

 

[Rominati]

You are oversimplifying things. 50 Cent came out 10 years ago, you know how many movements we had in that period of time? How many albums dropped in that period of time? There was way more diversity back then. Way more labels too...

NY is a small town, compared to the 13 states that make up the South. GA, TN, TX, NO, FL are active. Artist from AL, MS, NC, are more likely to get a release date before a rapper from the Bronx. If Roc-A-Fella was still around. That roster alone would have guaranteed 4 or 5 releases a year.

How many hip-hop albums drops a year? Only Nas and Maybach Music compilation dropped in the month of July. NY has rappers that could put out an album, but the labels are not gonna get behind them. You telling me Ace Hood is the best these labels can do?

Your only suggestion is for NY to produce some pop music?

Jay, Wayne, Kanye, Drake are barely seeing double plat, the margin of error is too low for labels to not consider what is selling. Garbage is selling right now.

They signed Chief Keef and Kreayshawn. You're hypothesis simply doesn't support the reality, the buying public are listening and supporting garbage. While folks like us bootleg everything.

nikkas aint talkin about making pops songs? We are using Max B as a point of reference for crying out loud



We are simply talking about NY being cold music wise. Has nothing to do with pushing units of moving albums. This is about the hip hop culture in NY. Nothing to do with majors or units.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nikkas aint talkin about making pops songs? We are using Max B as a point of reference for crying out loud



We are simply talking about NY being cold music wise. Has nothing to do with pushing units of moving albums. This is about the hip hop culture in NY. Nothing to do with majors or units.

Yea I dont know what the fukk that dude was on

Max was the epitome of the kind of dude who could bring NY back. Stack Bundles too. Thinkin about them, another thing holding NY back is a lot of motherfukkers just cant write songs.... Max, Stack, they had mixtapes full of single worthy songs that were still street and technically sound. The music was just enjoyable. U look at someone like Grafh, Corey Gunz, these nikkas can rap, but they can't write songs like a Big Pun or Biggie.

And even the guys who can write put themselves in a box. Lloyd came right on V6, but low key he did kind of make the same song over like 6 times... beat and everything. MFers are afraid to push themselves creatively, cause they feel the need to keep their music bound by the image they want to portray. Thats a game wide problem, but NY isn't getting the passes the South is.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Like I said before... Once east coast nikkas get off the SOUTH dikks, and stop worrying bout what the fukk we doing, and just do them.. they'll be straight..

at all these nikkas who act like they jealous and hate the south success

Not sure what youre so angry about, I said in that very post NYC needs to get off the South's dikk

And regardless of how you feel, the reality is the mainstream is way more behind the South, which goes a long way despite there being some very good artists in NYC. But them and the labels are gonna follow the money too, and the South bought them in with those barcode scams about 10 yrs ago. So it is what it is

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Its good to see the "new" crop of NY cats getting along together and really supporting each other. I thought Bronson's sudden rise in fame would stir a lot of jealousy, and to an extent some nikkas are mad but overall dudes seem chill about it. It helps that he's opening doors for them, putting them on his albums and introducing them to producers. Meyhem Lauren is now doing shyt with Harry Fraud and Alchemist, just like Bronson.

Only dude I verse somewhat of a salty vibe from is Maffew Ragazino. The Outdoorsmen dudes are getting mad co-signs, as are Roc Marciano and Exquire, but Maffew kind of gets ignored a bit. I hope that changes because dude is dope.

Who would have guessed that a fat white Albanian would be lighting up the underground NY scene.

Yea Maffew is dope as hell. You're forgetting about AG too. AG the Coroner is arguably the best out of that whole Outdoorsmen crew IMO. He had the best verse out of everyone on that entire new Alchemist album. He's a savage.

 

[tremonthustler1]

You are oversimplifying things. 50 Cent came out 10 years ago, you know how many movements we had in that period of time? How many albums dropped in that period of time? There was way more diversity back then. Way more labels too...

NY is a small town, compared to the 13 states that make up the South. GA, TN, TX, NO, FL are active. Artist from AL, MS, NC, are more likely to get a release date before a rapper from the Bronx. If Roc-A-Fella was still around. That roster alone would have guaranteed 4 or 5 releases a year.

How many hip-hop albums drops a year? Only Nas and Maybach Music compilation dropped in the month of July. NY has rappers that could put out an album, but the labels are not gonna get behind them. You telling me Ace Hood is the best these labels can do?

Your only suggestion is for NY to produce some pop music?

Jay, Wayne, Kanye, Drake are barely seeing double plat, the margin of error is too low for labels to not consider what is selling. Garbage is selling right now.

They signed Chief Keef and Kreayshawn. You're hypothesis simply doesn't support the reality, the buying public are listening and supporting garbage. While folks like us bootleg everything.

Many NY classics didn't sell, nor did they make a dent anywhere other than hip-hop. It took Gang Starr nearly a decade just to go gold. What NY needs is a boutique label that doesn't cost much money to put out music, leaves it in the hands of the artist and fans and doesn't expect big numbers. Look at Fueled By Ramen and some of these other small labels in music. The standards are so low that if you did 250K total, they treated it like platinum. Because of that they threw everything against the wall to see what stuck. Hip-hop doesn't do that. All these free mixtapes we see would be albums anywhere else. The freedom just isn't there to throw stuff out there unless it's free of charge.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Yep the sales thing is big too

Lot of GOATs were not moving units like that

I bet OB4CL2 had a better "first week" than OB4CL1

We measure success completely differently now

 

[Wild self]

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NY hip-hop needs to adopt a more fun/light hearted/skill oriented approach to hip hop. Back how thangs was back in the day with Tribe,BIG,Jay etc.. Ever since 50 blew up. Every nikka in New York is a


Gangbanging-drug slanging-capo-alpha-supreme-lean-mean street nikka machine




Thats why nikkas loved Max. Cause even tho he was a official dude. You can tell Max was having fun with this music shyt. He was charismatic and a funny dude, he didnt take himself too seriously

The LOX were also responsible for giving birth to them super gangsta rappers that were on the mixtape circuit a decade ago. Being grimey and mean mugging = no p*ssy, according to the swag dudes.

 

[Mike Statik]

the prob with NY hip hop is.... skinny jeans, fakkitry, and completley forgettin what east coast MC'ing is all about

 

[Rominati]

NY gotta do something



We letting these country bumpkins have open season on our asses

 

[Non Sequitur]

NY needs a new 50 or a new Jay

That's not possible in this day and age. An arist with a true grassroots following that appeals to the mainstream, but stays true to their region? From NY? Nah.

 

[MINT]

it's the end for NY ahahah

 

[MINT]

I'm not proud of my city. the west, the south, the mid west are all better than NY right now :/


the problem is that biggie was the last good rapper of NY