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The Pursuit Of Wealth Is A Symptom Of A Sick Society
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This man has made more threads about crypto and stock plays than anyone else in here. I'm still waiting on a few of his calls to play out.
i think questions like that are good for philosophical discourse…
100% on the 2nd bolded…
Raphaello
All Star
The problem with this thinking is many men aren't willing to contribute as best they can to the betterment of society which creates a huge free rider problem for those who are. Is it fair that the man willing to work 100hr weeks gets the same result as the one working 40? Is it fair that the man with hgiher ambitions and risk tolerance gets the same result as the extremely complacent one?For in a just society, no man would concern himself with his lack of wealth. A society that cares about its citizens is one in which no man should worry that he may never become a millionaire. A man willing to contribute as best he can, in a society that is equitable, is a man who will never feel the pang of hunger nor the pavement when he lays in his bed.
Hell is mind state, hate to break it to ya
Fools really think you gon suffer here then go to a firey pit called hell where you suffer again for eternity.
I understand people being brainwashed by all this shyt but damn its crazy how people don't critically think about what they were taught/programmed via men and parents aka ulterior motive based humans and not the actual divine creator.
This sounds like the babble of someone who doesn’t have the drive to get to the bread.
I Really Mean It
Veteran
This thread and the thoughts I’ve shared were inspired by a recently read essay on African socialism by Jukius K. Nyerere, who was the President of Tanganyika, a former British colony that would become Tanzania. Nyere conceived of the socialist theory called Ujamaa, which was grounded upon the belief that a fulfilling life is one lived among a community that works collectively to ensure that no man or woman goes without their basic needs, so long as he or she contributes. I don’t know if humans are innately selfish and greedy. It’s difficult to determine how true that is when you’re living in a world that has become captive to corporations who bombard our every waking moment with appeals to consume their products.
I’m giving serious thought to the idea that black people and capitalism don’t mix. I’m starting to think the inherent selfishness of capitalism isn’t in our nature.
I Really Mean It
Veteran
I believe that this is based on a commonly peddled misconception about socialism that the right uses to distort its fundamental purpose. The man who toils 100 hours might be able to enjoy pleasures outside the reach of the man who works for 40 hours, but the latter is still assured that he will not want for good food, a roof and warm bed, and medical care when he falls ill. The man who works 100 hours and owns a business can even treat himself to luxury goods, as long as some of the profits he receives are channeled back into the community.
The key is never losing sight of the community, knowing that every contribution you make to it - small or large - will be returned.
I will look into that, "Ujamaa". Regarding the condition, I don't think it innate, else what stops you or me from thinking the same? I should note, I'm a determinist, and because of that I think it is the environment that is the central cause of makes people opposed to these ideas.This thread and the thoughts I’ve shared were inspired by a recently read essay on African socialism by Jukius K. Nyerere, who was the President of Tanganyika, a former British colony that would become Tanzania. Nyere conceived of the socialist theory called Ujamaa, which was grounded upon the belief that a fulfilling life is one lived among a community that works collectively to ensure that no man or woman goes without their basic needs, so long as he or she contributes. I don’t know if humans are innately selfish and greedy. It’s difficult to determine how true that is when you’re living in a world that has become captive to corporations who bombard our every waking moment with appeals to consume their products.
I’m giving serious thought to the idea that black people and capitalism don’t mix. I’m starting to think the inherent selfishness of capitalism isn’t in our nature.
For example, consider this:
Target population:
So these are legitimate philosophers, out of the 1094 responses, 54% lean/accept socialism. And if you note "capitalism" and uncheck "accept and lean" box above the graphic, you will note that of the 29% that accept capitalism, the majority 17% lean towards capitalism. So if polled, someone like myself would check "capitalism" solely because I'm a supporter of social democracy, so capitalism with a really big safety net, and this goes back to my approach on what is practical, versus what my idealized world. I see SocDem policies as possible in America and every other country, so I push for that.
But I cite this poll primarily because I don't believe it innate to be greedy and selfish, I think most born into this country are reared up to be workers and think nothing of it. The people in my polling, have an understanding of ethics, logic (formal), and with that recognize contradictions in their thinking and recognize how that extends to an obligation towards improving overall wellbeing, through their own approach. I think, if things like ethics/philosophy are heralded as important, as it should, people will have these checks that prevent them being "bad", greedy, or selfish. I just think that most people, without ethics/philosophy, are simply agents acting on moral luck. They have no foundation to check their own beliefs against, at least one that is consistent and holds them accountable even when they don't want to be. Consider this, and this is just my personal experience, with my foundation before heading into the topic, it only took me one debate to drop all animal products and never touch them again. Did I enjoy animal products? Of course, but I recognized that I could not square harming, or contributing to the harm of animals simply for my unnecessary pleasure. My foundation checked my bias and corrected it, even if it was something that I considered a major sacrifice. I think that approach to ethics, a foundation, is what most people are missing. And I see it as really plausible to get people into philosophy, and then see what comes from that, although my assumption is a significant net-positive on the treatment of humans towards other humans, no matter any differences.
But without philosophy, yes, humans will likely revert to what could be deemed an innate selfishness, but I still see that as cogs acting as they should to power the machine. America is in need of an education overhaul, the current one was only ever efficient for putting people into the workforce, but I guess a specific % of the population want to keep it that way.
An American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.
The Mexican replied, “only a little while. The American then asked why didn’t he stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs. The American then asked, “but what do you do with the rest of your time?”
The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siestas with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine, and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life.” The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat, you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City, where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The Mexican fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?”
To which the American replied, “15 – 20 years.”
“But what then?” Asked the Mexican.
The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions!”
“Millions – then what?”
The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siestas with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”
The Mexican replied, “only a little while. The American then asked why didn’t he stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs. The American then asked, “but what do you do with the rest of your time?”
The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siestas with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine, and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life.” The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat, you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City, where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The Mexican fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?”
To which the American replied, “15 – 20 years.”
“But what then?” Asked the Mexican.
The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions!”
“Millions – then what?”
The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siestas with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”
DreadBrown
Feed the children
Everybody wants to be free
Some see wealth as freedom
Some see wealth as freedom
AyBrehHam Linkin
First Black Brehsident
No one that posted in this thread will be a millionaire.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
Most people don't need millions to be free if.they actually sat down and did the numbers...For in a just society, no man would concern himself with his lack of wealth. A society that cares about its citizens is one in which no man should worry that he may never become a millionaire. A man willing to contribute as best he can, in a society that is equitable, is a man who will never feel the pang of hunger nor the pavement when he lays in his bed.
If you could find a way to double or triple your take home....you could live a different life....
Granted you don't increase your expenses that is....
