The Shrinking PH. D job influence (Article)

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uh bruh, i need you to stop with the lies. just because i dont agree with you on your all in on education push. doesnt mean i'm telling people degrees are crap and dont go to school. be dumb or uneducated and layup on ya baby mama. what i said about school you have to put it and leave it in the proper context of the discussion(s) we were having.

Do i think degrees can help black people? YES. Do i think its smart to get a liberal arts degree if you're a broke person let alone broke blake person? NO.
DO i think getting degree is THEE only way? NOPE.

Do i think getting a degree is going to save black folks? NOPE.

Do i think a bunch of black people walking around with degrees and higher incomes would put us in a position where our kids wont get shot in the street by cops? NOPE. because they dont care if you're a thug or not. youz black and thats all that matters.

DO i think if we made good money due to said degrees we would have more political power? NOPE.

So why do asians seem to have more power than blacks? Well for one its not just because they make more than whites working their 9 to 5's. It's because they have a group economy and a group think mentality. They also own a lot of businesses and a lot of land where other people's businesses sit on.

They also at times have their home governments lobbying on their behalf via deals they've made with our government something black folks cant really trump.

So for black folks to pull that off, it goes beyond a degree. we need to learn now to open a business, run a successful business and spend more money with black businesses and setting each other up with black distribution to said businesses. Who do you think the koreans are getting their supplies from or clothing in their stores(hair, clothing stores/swapmeets, etc??) They are getting it from their own korean family/friends/connections. I know this for a fact because i've had korean friends who told me this personally. i've also use to shop in spots here in Downtown L.A. to get my clothes cheaper when i was growing up. the same clothes you got in the mall i was getting it for the wholesale price for 40% cheaper or more. and once you hang awhile they're start to talk to you. They told the same story. they were getting their stuff from south korea and/or other korean distributors.

Do you really learn how to open up, own, run a successful distributor business in college? NO, or at least not in most degrees in most colleges(not even businesses degrees.) You learn this stuff by working for someone who does these things and you watch them like a hawk. Their are many successful business people of all races that have never stepped foot in a college, nor do they have a degree(obviously). But i will say this, if you want to be a worker bee in this day and age. you better get certs and/or a degree. that is the case right now.

if you want to run your own business, find out what type(s) of business you think you would be interested in. then apply to work their. try to get mentored by the owner/ceo,, anyone high up. learn the business, then do what you saw them do best and fix what you saw them do wrong.

you can also go the trades route. thats not college but its still being educated in said trade and being certified/licensed, etc.

^^This is what i believe and how i feel about school. so i dont want to hear them lies again Twism

I can agree with the business sentiments above. I have a business where I manufacture a food products sold in many ethnic stores. I have sales with a lot of Middle Eastern distributors and have a container going to Korea next month. I talk to those guys too and realize how freaking easy it is to start and run one of these weave stores (a Yemeni dude broke it down). You just need to know the distributor/importer contact and you are straight. But to be honest, despite having a degree I would have never thought of that because I wasn't exposed to that stuff. Black folks, of all classes, mostly tell their kids to study hard and get a job. Luckily my family had some entrepreneurs I could emulate but exposure and connections make all the difference.
 

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Education. I work at a school and I know a number of "Dr.'s" who are still paying off student loan. I'm also in Masters of Counseling and I know PHD students who have taken out loans (of course they're still in the program so paying it back hasn't started yet). Not sure about the money, missing payment parts. just casual convo. hearing them talk about paying back student loans. I do know one person, a professor (and he may just a cynical person) who feels that unless you come from a Ivey league, it's not really worth it. Again, that's his view.


In North America, you should not be paying for a PhD program, regardless of your selected field. Funding packages typically offered will give enough to cover your tuition, alongside a monthly stipend for you to live off of (which you typically work for by either completing a Teaching Assistant or Research Assistant position). You're conducting research for your institution. They should be paying you for that.

*Some* people will pursue loan assistance for their tuition... that way they can receive their entire funding package (i.e. my uni gives $24K per year, but 5-6 of that is tuition). But that's only an option, not necessarily a requirement, and something that can be easily avoidable. Outside of being given funding upon entry, students also have a wide variety of options to get additional funding (which will be based on either your grades, research, etc.), either within the school or at a municipal, provincial or governmental level. If you map it out right, you can garner enough to have ~$50K coming in per school year. That might not be a lot to folks who work/in fields outside of academia, but that's a decent amount of money to be living off of while you read and write all day.

Any research based education should not be paid for at the graduate level. So that's MA and PhD included. I'm pursuing my PhD, and whenever I'm done my only loans will be for my BA.
 

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Also the baby boomer era of academics are about to retire in the next 5 to 10 years, meaning a lot of tenured positions will be given up. I'm worried, but not that worried about employment in academia.
 
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I don't see upper middle class Whites or Asians lectured on looking more into vocations rather than college.

Why are you comparing a certain economic base of one group, to an entire demographic.... and with that being said, whites are the kings of making good/great money off vocation skills....

Yall want people to go to college for esteem issues, because you think it makes us more comparable to our counterparts from a socail perspective..... It has shyt to do with a true education.....
 

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I wouldn't recommend a PhD in the Humanities. I know a woman who recently got her PhD from Princeton in a humanity and has yet to land a job. I have another friend with a PhD in a humanity from Northwestern (IL) and is working as an instructor (non-tenure track position). The latter one discouraged me from pursuing a PhD in History.

I would expect difficulty in finding a job in Illinois with their recent budget problems. However, universities like Penn, Brown, and Yale are spending millions to diversify their faculty in the next 5-10 years. Maybe they are full of hot air or just looking for certain fields, I don't know.

Yale to Spend $50M on Faculty Diversity Effort | Inside Higher Ed
Brown U. declares it will double faculty diversity by 2025
Brown University's $100 Million Inclusivity Plan
 

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Why are you comparing a certain economic base of one group, to an entire demographic.... and with that being said, whites are the kings of making good/great money off vocation skills....

Yall want people to go to college for esteem issues, because you think it makes us more comparable to our counterparts from a socail perspective..... It has shyt to do with a true education.....

Here we go:shaq2:
 

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Why are you comparing a certain economic base of one group, to an entire demographic.... and with that being said, whites are the kings of making good/great money off vocation skills....

Yall want people to go to college for esteem issues, because you think it makes us more comparable to our counterparts from a socail perspective..... It has shyt to do with a true education.....

I know several people who are making BANK in plumbing, HVAC repair, or specialized welding. Trust me, I don't want people to go to college to feel good or feel equal. Funny thing is all those well-off vocational guys are putting their kids through college. Granted, one or two may come back and take over the business but they know the crapshoot of the modern economy and you need all the help you can get.

The problem is that it is hard, as a whole, for a group to come up these days with only a high school or vocational degree. If the factories were still around, I really would be ok with 1/3 of us going to college since there would have been sustainable work outside that paradigm. Working class Whites are under huge pressure too and for every big time plumbing team, there are a bunch of guys struggling to make ends meet. I don't want to FORCE anyone into college, especially for a bullshyt degree. I just don't want us to self-select out of higher education or have people tell us "it just isn't for you".
 

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Why are you comparing a certain economic base of one group, to an entire demographic.... and with that being said, whites are the kings of making good/great money off vocation skills....

Yall want people to go to college for esteem issues, because you think it makes us more comparable to our counterparts from a socail perspective..... It has shyt to do with a true education.....

No offense, but there's so many more benefits to college then just education. Also people who attend college make way more money than those who don't. Those Asians aren't sending their kids to colleges in droves for no reason. We need to be sending our kids to colleges with the same frequency as those Asian Americans. I don't see vocational skills as being a good long term option.
 

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I would expect difficulty in finding a job in Illinois with their recent budget problems. However, universities like Penn, Brown, and Yale are spending millions to diversify their faculty in the next 5-10 years. Maybe they are full of hot air or just looking for certain fields, I don't know.

Yale to Spend $50M on Faculty Diversity Effort | Inside Higher Ed
Brown U. declares it will double faculty diversity by 2025
Brown University's $100 Million Inclusivity Plan

No, my friend has a PhD from Northwestern (IL) but is wide-open as far as location of job. The issue is undergrad training aside from STEM fields is drying up!

Also, realize the Ivys have money and can afford to take the best of the best. Very, very few PhDs can get a first professorship at an Ivy or Top 20 university.
 

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No, my friend has a PhD from Northwestern (IL) but is wide-open as far as location of job. The issue is undergrad training aside from STEM fields is drying up!

Also, realize the Ivys have money and can afford to take the best of the best. Very, very few PhDs can get a first professorship at an Ivy or Top 20 university.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that they weren't looking outside of Illinois. Seeing Northwestern made me think of that state's budget problems.
 
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